ESRI says we need more "progressive" taxes lol

WrenBoy

Hopefully on topic but I see today RTE are pushing Gov to introduce a tax on streaming services, to force people back to watching them I guess. Or the genius business move of charging people for not using your service.
https://extra.ie/2021/05/21/entertainment/movies-tv/rte-netflix-tax

B2021M

WrenBoy wrote: »

Hopefully on topic but I see today RTE are pushing Gov to introduce a tax on streaming services, to force people back to watching them I guess. Or the genius business move of charging people for not using your service.
https://extra.ie/2021/05/21/entertainment/movies-tv/rte-netflix-tax

Saw that. Which i find hilarious as everyday the likes of Darcy talks non stop about the latest Netflix shows...

starkid

WrenBoy wrote: »

Hopefully on topic but I see today RTE are pushing Gov to introduce a tax on streaming services, to force people back to watching them I guess. Or the genius business move of charging people for not using your service.
https://extra.ie/2021/05/21/entertainment/movies-tv/rte-netflix-tax

they can just **** right off...

Doctor Jimbob

WrenBoy wrote: »

Hopefully on topic but I see today RTE are pushing Gov to introduce a tax on streaming services, to force people back to watching them I guess. Or the genius business move of charging people for not using your service.
https://extra.ie/2021/05/21/entertainment/movies-tv/rte-netflix-tax

If the price of streaming services got to the point I couldn't/wouldn't want to pay, I'd either resort to piracy or find other ways to pass the time. I sure as fúck wouldn't start watching that cretin Tubridy every Friday.

Furze99

Fred Cryton wrote: »

I love how it doesn't even enter their little heads that perhaps public sector pay freezes might be one answer to budget deficits...

Never mind pay freezes - pay reductions. New contracts for all, new entrants and old employees - all paid the same scales at lower rates.

Time for taxes on other assets too - a realistic property tax and charges by usage for public water & sewage with no exemptions for those on welfare. Increase in corporation tax.. lots of way to address this.

[Deleted User]

I'll vote for any party that promises to lower taxes on the middle class. Preferably at the expense of the scrote class.

Furze99

BluePlanet wrote: »

If there is a symbiosis between Public and Private Sectors, then why doesn't the Public Sector expand and contract when the Private Sector does?

Public sector is allergic to contraction - all about increasing annual budgets and empire building. What we have we keep and seek more to consolidate.

RandomViewer

timmyntc wrote: »

Hardly - they will live in more expensive areas and pay more expensive mortgages and have to pay for health insurance and the works, since the more you pay the government the less freebies you get in return.

People seem to think 100k household income is extremely wealthy - its not.
Only in Ireland is there an attitude of everyone earning 6 figures is a billionaire who needs to be stripped of their wealth because they have too much

A mortgage and health insurance aren't necessities, surprised you didn't add an electric car to your must haves, it's idiots buying health insurance and blocking up beds in public hospitals because the insurance company pays €500 for €100 scans that has the health system on its knees

suicide_circus

Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »

They are working for less than a livable wage.

They are contributing more than their fair share.

The living wage in Ireland is currently 12.30 p/h, if this became the minimum wage tomorrow would you happy for all those people to have a significant increase in their income tax rate?

[Deleted User]

brainboru1104 wrote: »

I'll vote for any party that promises to lower taxes on the middle class. Preferably at the expense of the scrote class.

You realise to a lot of people who start threads like this and sh1te on about ps pay etc, you and the rest of us are the scrote class.

Akrasia

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The public sector are a net cost to the State. A financial burden. Only the private sector generates taxable wealth.

Ooooh, you’re one of those....

[Deleted User]

Another month another thread kept going by people that dont think 300k public servants contribute anything or pay taxes

Really great content

B2021M

Akrasia wrote: »

Ooooh, you’re one of those....

Is he incorrect?

timmyntc

RandomViewer wrote: »

A mortgage and health insurance aren't necessities, surprised you didn't add an electric car to your must haves, it's idiots buying health insurance and blocking up beds in public hospitals because the insurance company pays €500 for €100 scans that has the health system on its knees

Either a mortgage or rent at least one is absolutely necessary - either way a well-paying job will have more expensive rent & property near it so yes, higher earners will have to pay higher accomodation costs. Unelss they are to move further away and take up cheaper accomodation, which would push up prices for the lower paid - no doubt youd complain about that too.

As for your second point - what??
People who pay their own way for hospital treatment are the reason the hospitals are so bad? Not the people who get it for free and have no disincentive to going as often as they please? :rolleyes:

RandomViewer

timmyntc wrote: »

Either a mortgage or rent at least one is absolutely necessary - either way a well-paying job will have more expensive rent & property near it so yes, higher earners will have to pay higher accomodation costs. Unelss they are to move further away and take up cheaper accomodation, which would push up prices for the lower paid - no doubt youd complain about that too.

As for your second point - what??
People who pay their own way for hospital treatment are the reason the hospitals are so bad? Not the people who get it for free and have no disincentive to going as often as they please? :rolleyes:

If you are taking home in excess of €100k and need a mortgage you are obviously very poor with money, private insurance should be exclusively private hospitals, 700k on waiting lists for actual ailments not tits or dick enlargements

fliball123

snoopsheep wrote: »

Another month another thread kept going by people that dont think 300k public servants contribute anything or pay taxes

Really great content

Its not that people think they dont contribute, its that people think we are over paying for them. PS are paid 27% more than the the private sector in Ireland (2019 ). Our nearest neighbors the UK - PS are paid .3% less. Why is this so?

Of course the usual trotted out response from PS heads will be . You cant compare both sectors even do it was done twice in benchmarking. So instead of getting payrises maybe we can get pay cuts in the public sector and take back the money paid out via the fraud that was benchmarking back in the early naughties.. As the PS line now is you cant compare both so we should have a reversal of benchmarking..Ye know pay restoration

[Deleted User]

B2021M wrote: »

Is he incorrect?

Yep

timmyntc

RandomViewer wrote: »

If you are taking home in excess of €100k and need a mortgage you are obviously very poor with money, private insurance should be exclusively private hospitals, 700k on waiting lists for actual ailments not tits or dick enlargements

Talk about a chip on the shoulder :pac:

If you're taking home 100k you will be paying over 33% of that in income taxes for starters. If you're looking to live anywhere near your work your house will be far more expensive - no amount of scrimping and saving will let you buy a house in cash in any reasonable amount of time.

And do public hospitals even do penis enlargements? Its really clutching at straws to blame people with health insurance for the HSE's own woes.

[Deleted User]

Unfortunately those who profess that lower incomes should pay more tax are not living in the real world. They don't earn enough as a whole to make the kind of appreciable difference to tax take to allow any significant reduction to middle and higher earners. If you do tax them at significantly higher rates, you have one of two consequences - all that money is no longer spent in the economy forcing the loss of more lower paid jobs both simultaneously increasing social welfare and related services bills and reducing tax take, driving pressure to increase tax on middle earners again, or you disincentivise working lower paid jobs as the gap between social welfare and net income reduces further at low incomes. This then drives up wages in low paid sector either reducing the competitiveness of these areas resulting in job losses, or increases the cost base with this cost passed on to the consumer - largely lower and middle income earners, effectively reducing net income through inflation

Hello 2D Person Below

timmyntc wrote: »

And do public hospitals even do penis enlargements? Its really clutching at straws to blame people with health insurance for the HSE's own woes.

Insurance companies are an unnecessary middleman that have siphoned billions out of the health service over the years.

fliball123

timmyntc wrote: »

Talk about a chip on the shoulder :pac:

If you're taking home 100k you will be paying over 33% of that in income taxes for starters. If you're looking to live anywhere near your work your house will be far more expensive - no amount of scrimping and saving will let you buy a house in cash in any reasonable amount of time.

And do public hospitals even do penis enlargements? Its really clutching at straws to blame people with health insurance for the HSE's own woes.

People wont be happy until anyone earning a decent living is taxed to Oblivion. The one good thing that came from lock down is the fact people do not have to be located where they work. Watch for anyone who has the means to work remotely flee our punitive income tax regime.

enricoh

fliball123 wrote: »

Its not that people think they dont contribute, its that people think we are over paying for them. PS are paid 27% more than the the private sector in Ireland (2019 ). Our nearest neighbors the UK - PS are paid .3% less. Why is this so?

Of course the usual trotted out response from PS heads will be . You cant compare both sectors even do it was done twice in benchmarking. So instead of getting payrises maybe we can get pay cuts in the public sector and take back the money paid out via the fraud that was benchmarking back in the early naughties.. As the PS line now is you cant compare both so we should have a reversal of benchmarking..Ye know pay restoration

Bertie had to buy a couple of elections in the noughties and no better way than doling out the lolly!

B2021M

DubInMeath wrote: »

Yep

So who pays for the public sector then?

RandomViewer

timmyntc wrote: »

Talk about a chip on the shoulder :pac:

If you're taking home 100k you will be paying over 33% of that in income taxes for starters. If you're looking to live anywhere near your work your house will be far more expensive - no amount of scrimping and saving will let you buy a house in cash in any reasonable amount of time.

And do public hospitals even do penis enlargements? Its really clutching at straws to blame people with health insurance for the HSE's own woes.

If you can't save 50K a year taking home after tax €100k you really are an idiot with money

starkid

RandomViewer wrote: »

If you are taking home in excess of €100k and need a mortgage you are obviously very poor with money, private insurance should be exclusively private hospitals, 700k on waiting lists for actual ailments not tits or dick enlargements

So you think somebody earning above 100k is rich enough they can live mortgage free? after tax they'll be earning about 68k. If they are a single income household they won't be living nearly as well as you think. Nearly the same as a couple with a joint income of the average wage.

this kind of sums up the prevailing attitude in this country, the one the likes of Boyd Barret and Pearse Doherty feed on. where the elites and the rich are people earning 100k. Forgetting about joint income households, most in average jobs who are touching that as well.

RandomViewer

starkid wrote: »

So you think somebody earning above 100k is rich enough they can live mortgage free? after tax they'll be earning about 68k. Nearly the same as a couple with a joint income of the average wage.

this kind of sums up the prevailing attitude in this country, the one the likes of Boyd Barret and Pearse Doherty feed on. where the elites and the rich are people earning 100k. Forgetting about joint income households, most in average jobs who are touching that as well.

Take home after tax €100k ,other poster tried to twist it as well,

starkid

RandomViewer wrote: »

Take home after tax €100k ,other poster tried to twist it as well,

yeah the take home pay of somebody earning 110k is about 68, 750. They've paid 41k in taxes. With **** all services in return. Lets say they have two kids so the wife or husband stays home for a while. They are basically earning the same as a couple on the average wage. I earn 29k, my partner earns about 50k(not the average granted). after tax its pretty close in take home pay.. I can barely afford rent, childcare and anything extra i sure as **** ain't rich.

you see this is part of the issue here. theres a completely warped view of realities. For the lumpen prolatariat giving out about the working class, the working class earning huge sums in trades or wherever complaining about the rich elites, many who may be actually earning less. And then you have parties like SF having the magical threshold of 100k, regardless of any nuance, as rich elites.

RandomViewer

starkid wrote: »

yeah the take home pay of somebody earning 110k is about 68, 750. They've paid 41k in taxes. With **** all services in return. Lets say they have two kids so the wife or husband stays home for a while. They are basically earning the same as a couple on the average wage. I earn 29k, my partner earns about 56k. after tax its probably the same. I can barely afford rent and anything extra.

you see this is part of the issue here. theres a completely warped view of realities.

So you want people on €20-30k to take a bigger hit ?

suicide_circus

RandomViewer wrote: »

So you want people on €20-30k to take a bigger hit ?

Opportunity to contribute more

starkid

RandomViewer wrote: »

So you want people on €20-30k to take a bigger hit ?

i earn 20-30k.

In other countries people on lower incomes pay more tax. If you want a true social democracy thats the price to be paid. should somebody like me pay more tax? yes i probably should.

I'm not sure how much more tax you think a person ( and i know alot of people whos wives job is the kids while the dad earns the money so essentially a one income household for the time being) earning the same as a couple on 20-30k can pay. If its a couple jointly earning 20-30k no its not ideal, however numerous state supports are available (which personally i have no issue with)

In the scandinavian countries that smoked salmon socialists love to talk about, those people do pay tax, much more than they do here. Because everybody pays, and everybody recieves.