So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

flanna01

What's the opinion on the experiments & measurements taken on Skinwalker Ranch?

Not really interested if you think it's little green men or not..

Some of the experiments have returned some weird results - possible changes in time etc..

I am leaning towards some magnetic anomalies that interfere with the readings?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475523#Comment_121475523

Experiments and results published on a TV show. Not in a scientific journal.

That should indicate what's actually going on.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475523#Comment_121475523

I somehow doubt the biggest discovery in human history is going to be brought to us by the Thursday night slot on The History Channel crew.

All the nonsense we’re seeing these days leads back to there.

flanna01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475704#Comment_121475704

Travis Taylor has respectable credentials behind him, he seems to look for credible theories to some of the more stranger readings.

I don't buy into the Skinwalker Ranch stuff, great for television I suppose.. (Not posting to ask for opinions on a TV series.)

Various experiments have indeed highlighted a strange anomaly both above and beneath the Ranch itself.

I suggest a magnetic force is at play somewhere around the area?

And, the American Military did also run experiments on the area previously - Why would they do that?

For the record, I think Biglow is into the money with regards to the show, so don't pay too much attention to the myths and legends stuff..

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476233#Comment_121476233

Taylor believes in the supernatural, is prone to complete quackery and is well into the UFO circuit, appearances at cons can pay 10k to 20k and TV shows are much higher.

The Skinwalker Ranch thing is just a show for ratings, with cranks and scientists playing along pretending to be doing science to project e.g. there's a worm-hole over the ranch, then later on you see them casually taking a helicopter ride over it. It's a grift. They've even injected "ghosts" into it to get that market too.

flanna01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476732#Comment_121476732

So, are you saying the experiments conducted on the Ranch are all fake (set ups?)

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476835#Comment_121476835

Or like with ghost investigation shows they exaggerate things and rush to the conclusion that it's aliens as quickly as possible and don't have any try to temper the hasty conclusions or try to think too hard about other explanations.

If they were actually doing experiments and science, it wouldn't be in a TV show. It would be done by actual research papers.

But research papers tend not to bring in much money and have things like standards.

flanna01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121477418#Comment_121477418

First of all, nobody is talking aliens (Get that out of the way)

Too be fair to Travis Taylor, he is looking at non-alien theories, and so is the other dude (the only other real scientist on site)

The project (scientific experiments), are being funded by Biglow - He doesn't need to go down the pier review channels to get verification of his work, if he could prove the presence of a worm hole, he would be guaranteed a place in the history books anyway... ( Nor does he need the money )

Einstein was talking worm holes a long time ago - Nobody mocked him then.

The American Military were conducting experiments of the site long before Biglow rolled up, they were looking or testing for something too.

Also remember, the American Government appointed Travis Taylor to the UAP position, would they really have done that if he was a tin foil hat whack job??

The research into Space and Time is a valid subject, but it requires open minds. Who says the fabric of Space isn't like a sponge with many holes, passages and short cuts??

Forget about aliens and flying saucers. The real gig in town is what we can't see, and what we can't fathom or understand, that's where the next step to evolving as a species lies.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121477620#Comment_121477620

"Aliens" "ghosts" "extra dimensional beings" the term doesn't really matter here. It's just marketing.

You don't seem to understand what things like peer review is for. It's not for money. It's to make sure that the experiments you are doing are sound and that the evidence you are claiming is actually true.

These guys don't do that. They just go straight to a TV show.

Einstein when he was "looking into wormholes" or whatever you believe that means, published his work. He used math to show how his theories would work. Others could check his work and eventually start to make their own experiments to verify the theory.

What the guys at the ranch are doing isn't "research into Space and Time."

That's just marketing technobabble.

And yes the US government often appoints incompetent people or people with wold unscientific beliefs to positions.

Hoboo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121443124#Comment_121443124

How are you suggesting the multiple eye witnesses who have allegedly seen these crafts remove some evidence from probably some of THE most heavily secured installations on the planet? Now the whole craft could be difficult, maybe a log book?

What evidence would be sufficient to believe what so many people claim to have seen?

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121477661#Comment_121477661

Has anyone actually produced a log book, or any fragment of alien space ship which the US government might have missed when collecting these space ships without anyone noticing?

Has the US government denied that something produced as evidence is actually real and from the space ships they are allegedly holding?

Hoboo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478169#Comment_121478169

Log book - I was taking the complete piss.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121477661#Comment_121477661

We're all carrying a HD video camera in our back pockets. So yes, absolutely.

Have been plenty of whistle-blowers for plenty of other things, they were able to produce evidence and corroboration. That doesn't exist in the "aliens" sphere, on the contrary, leaks have shown there's nothing of substance there (e.g. Snowden).

As for evidence: photographic, video, documentation, basic corroboration between leaks and witnesses.

Nope, according to proponents and believers, the "powers that be" are both exceptionally incompetent (people seeing the "alien spacecraft", "alien bodies", etc) and exceptionally competent at the same time (not a single proper photograph or substantiated piece of evidence escaping in 70 years), which is another gargantuan red flag

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121483982#Comment_121483982

There might be some photographs/video of legit alien tech but we don't know which are the real deal.

hence more investigation needed

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484033#Comment_121484033

Possibly, but in the same way there might be photo/video of legit "ghosts" but we don't know if it's the real deal or not. It just doesn't wash.

100% of everything Grusch claimed was cleared by the national dept that is responsible for classified info.

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484132#Comment_121484132

I don't think the probability of us imaging aliens is the same as imaging ghosts.

Science tells us aliens are highly likely to exist but there's just nothing at all supporting the idea that our bodies turn into ghosts when we die, hence investigating video of images or UFO is more likely to unveil real aliens, eventually .

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485995#Comment_121485995

It's highly probable that alien life exists.

However this is not the same claim as the idea that alien life exists, develops into a hughly technological civilization, develops space travel, develops faster than light travel, finds Earth and travels to it regularly and buzzes around in the atmosphere for no apparent reason.

Also we keep being told that people "aren't talking about aliens". One of the possible explanations given by the Skinwalker ranch folks is "interdimensional beings" which has as much supporting it as ghosts.

celtic_oz

Great interview of Professor Gary Nolan

Lays the conspiracy bare: UAPs are real, Government(s) have better evidence of the nature of the phenomenom and it is being concealed.

Interestingly on a more legacy news channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR0JtbuLhPo

Giblet

No-one denies UAPs are real. It's the fact that they are aliens visiting us that is the problem. A lot of the UAPs have ended up being optical illusions or just normal phenomenon. Out of those blurry lights, suddenly we had advanced intelligence and civilizations etc.. Utter nonsense. No evidence for any claim whatsoever. "They've been here a long time"...

Smart dude, but seems to love his Science Fiction...

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490640#Comment_121490640

With modern conspiracy beliefs there is no room for nuance, don't believe in the NHI hypothesis then you're a sheep who believes everything their told by the lame stream media.

celtic_oz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490640#Comment_121490640

Correct!

I should have said

"UAPs are exotic (non mundane) and Government(s) have better evidence of the nature of the phenomenom and it is being concealed."

Essentially the definition of this conspiracy theory!

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493823#Comment_121493823

And again, it seems like the only thing presented to show that this conspiracy theory is any more true than other conspiracy theories, is vague stories about hearing stories from unnamed sources who say vague stuff about vague events.

The difference here is that it's a person with a title to give more authority to these vague, unverifiable claims.

Hoboo

US government all but provides a physical spaceship and boardsies say no, you’re lying, I don’t believe you.

All you pilots, all lying. Same people who believe man walked on the moon 50 years ago from one dodgy film reel.

UFO’s are a fact, not a theory. Hard to suck up for some but suck it up you must 😂

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494015#Comment_121494015

Slightly more than just a dodgy film reel to prove that the Apollo missions happened.

Massive rockets launched which thousands of people watched in person.

Actual moon rocks distributed around the world for other people to research.

Radio signals picked up by people around the world of the missions in progress.

USSR didn't say it was fake.

Wasn't actually possible to fake the film footage in the '60s.

Etc.

Now what is the physical, or any, evidence which the US government has provided for the claims of alien UFOs?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494015#Comment_121494015

But they haven't provided much evidence at all. It's all just blurry images that don't show anything that can't be explained by mundane means. And everything else is just stories from unknown people that we just have to take people's word for.

Nowhere near "providing a physical spaceship."

On the other hand, there's reams of proof of the moon landing, including actual physical pieces of the moon. And you dismiss this as "a dodgy film reel."

The irony is very apparent.

celtic_oz

 And everything else is just stories from unknown people that we just have to take people's word for.

SCHUMER Confirms UFO Coverup :

"UAPs are of immense interest and curiosity to the American people but with that Curiosity comes the risk for confusion disinformation and mistrust especially esally if the government isn't isn't prepared to be transparent the United States government has gathered a great deal of information about uaps over many decades but has refused to share it with the American people that is wrong and additionally it breeds mistrust. We've also been notified by multiple credible sources that information on uaps has also been withheld from Congress which if true is a violation of the laws requiring full notification to the legislative branch."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDi1316NX7o&t=68s

Charles Ellis Schumer is an American politician serving as Senate Majority Leader since 2021 and the senior United States senator from New York since 1999. A member of the Democratic Party, he has led the Senate Democratic Caucus since 2017 and was Senate Minority Leader from 2017 to 2021. Schumer is in his fifth Senate term, making him the longest-serving US senator from New York, 

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496930#Comment_121496930

Not sire what point you're trying to make here in response to my post.

Schumer isn't a source for any of those stories. He's just reporting things claimed by unknown unnamed sources. Though from the context I think he's referring to other people telling him what unknown, unnamed sources said. And if this means Gruash, we've already seen that he isn't a very good investigator.

Also the article you've copy pasted does something very illustrative. The headline reads "confirmed" but the actual text contains the operative words "if true."

celtic_oz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497066#Comment_121497066

Schumer as Senate Majority Leader has priviledged access, he did NOT qualify the first sentence with if

" the United States government has gathered a great deal of information about uaps over many decades but has refused to share it with the American people that is wrong and additionally it breeds mistrust"

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497098#Comment_121497098

"UAPs are of immense interest and curiosity to the American people but with that Curiosity comes the risk for confusion disinformation and mistrust especially esally if the government isn't isn't prepared to be transparent the United States government has gathered a great deal of information about uaps over many decades but has refused to share it with the American people

Cept he does.

Not sure what "especially esally" means, but suspect that's a transcribing error which would make arguing about the nuance of the statement a bit pointless.

And even still he's referring to unknown unnamed sources and doesn't say anything about having access to unnamed sources not already presented by bad investigators like Gruash.

And even still, it's not anything near "providing a physical ship" as the poster I was replying to claimed.

Also I'm aware of who Schumer is and what his job is. Don't really need the dictionary definitions.

celtic_oz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497142#Comment_121497142

If you listen to the speech you will see its a seperate sentence and not qualified

The definitions are there to dispel this myth that unknowns are saying things, Schumer knows classified UAP information, hence he feels free to mouth the coverup.

Also Grusch being described as a bad investigator is a minority view.