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Public consultation on new flood defences for the city

  • 08-05-2021 11:01pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    After many, many years of talking about it, this appears to be finally underway.

    It's looking like it's going to cover a fairly extensive area along the coastline
    Public consultation on €10 million flood defence scheme to begin this summer

    Full story - https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/121333/public-consultation-on-10-million-flood-defence-scheme-to-begin-this-summer

    Quay walls from the docks area, via Long Walk, Spanish Arch, and along the Claddagh Basin and Nimmo’s Pier to be part of plan.

    Public consultations will be held within the next six weeks on a proposed €10 million flood defence scheme for The Claddagh and Galway city centre.

    The proposed Galway City Flood Relief Scheme is likely to include the erection of a series of quay walls running from the docks area, via Long Walk and the Spanish Arch, and continuing on the other side of the River Corrib along the Claddagh Basin and Nimmo’s Pier.

    The plan also proposes further flood defences near housing areas, and localised land and road raising in Salthill to cope with wave overtopping risks. More than 900 properties are expected to be protected from flooding under the plan.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Zzippy


    If walls are inevitable, I hope they are low in height, but with the facility to add temporary barriers on top when flooding is forecast. We don't need 4ft high walls, when big tides combined with storm surge only overtop by a small amount. Low walls will cope with most floods and could actually add to the public realm by providing seating.

    EDIT: Critical to keep the OPW a million miles away from this project, or we'll have 6ft concrete walls and no view of the river.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    Zzippy wrote: »
    If walls are inevitable, I hope they are low in height, but with the facility to add temporary barriers on top when flooding is forecast. We don't need 4ft high walls, when big tides combined with storm surge only overtop by a small amount. r.

    The coroner has bedb recommending walls for YEARS.

    Our only response should be about bl**dy time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭ VanWildcard


    Hopefully any walls by the Spanish are will be back from the river and keep that area with seating open. Sitting at the river on a sunny day is one of the great things about Galway.

    There are already steps down from the road at the bridge, a wall could wrap around the outside from here and use this as an entrance down into that public space.
    The coroner has bedb recommending walls for YEARS.

    Link?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Zzippy


    The coroner has bedb recommending walls for YEARS.

    Our only response should be about bl**dy time.

    Yes, because walls are a clear deterrent to people intent on suicide. "Oh hang on, there's a wall. Well, that's that.I've changed my mind."

    Anyone who thinks keeping people intent on jumping in a river out of the river is a simple matter of infrastructure needs to cop on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭ gordongekko


    Ah just build the wall. What do we need a consultation for? If the wall was there 100 yrs ago we wouldn't be having a consultation now about knocking it down. Just get on with things and defend the city from flooding


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Yes, because walls are a clear deterrent to people intent on suicide. "Oh hang on, there's a wall. Well, that's that.I've changed my mind."

    Anyone who thinks keeping people intent on jumping in a river out of the river is a simple matter of infrastructure needs to cop on.

    Here is but one of many links: https://connachttribune.ie/call-for-barrier-at-waterway-where-teen-drowned-146/


    Anyone who think that every person who enters the water intended to do so really needs to cop on.

    Some are intentional for sure, and nothing will stop them. ( Though making it more difficult gives more chances for intervention.)

    But plenty are accidental, especially in an area with high level of alcohol use. Barriers will stop some.


  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭ VanWildcard



    That's a call for barriers at that point on the Distillery River - unrelated to this type of flood protection works. It's a serious drop into the rocky stream there too.

    IMO a wall along the waters edge will be a bigger danger as it'll be an attractive place to sit up on for some after a few drinks. We lost a young man a couple of years ago who sat up on one of the bridge walls and accidentally fell backwards. At least sitting on the ground with legs dangling you're unlikely to fall forward.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭ cooperguy


    Did I not see something before about them putting glass barriers between the spanish arch and wolfe tone bridge?

    Any link to the actual consultation, I cant find it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,887 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    That's a call for barriers at that point on the Distillery River - unrelated to this type of flood protection works. It's a serious drop into the rocky stream there too.

    IMO a wall along the waters edge will be a bigger danger as it'll be an attractive place to sit up on for some after a few drinks. We lost a young man a couple of years ago who sat up on one of the bridge walls and accidentally fell backwards. At least sitting on the ground with legs dangling you're unlikely to fall forward.

    Visit Waterford to see a counterexample


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    cooperguy wrote: »
    Did I not see something before about them putting glass barriers between the spanish arch and wolfe tone bridge?

    Any link to the actual consultation, I cant find it!

    It's not begun yet, this is just basically a heads up that it's coming


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    The consultation is open for this now
    Galway City Council is inviting members of the public to a non-statutory Public Engagement Day to learn about the Coirib go Cósta Galway City Flood Relief Scheme.

    The virtual room for the scheme is launching at 9am on June 1, and will remain open for a five week period until July 7.

    During this time, people can learn about the scheme, and submit their feedback to the City Council.

    You can view info on this scheme here - http://www.coiribgocosta.ie/

    Alternatively the 12 min video below covers a lot of the main info



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Some bits that might be of interest

    Play around with the map that shows flooding, scheme limits etc

    Infographic blurb

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    Timeline

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    Scheme area (in red)

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    Communications plan, with public engagement sections highlighted by me

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  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭ VanWildcard


    These 3D consultation rooms that they now love to use are a nuisance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    These 3D consultation rooms that they now love to use are a nuisance.

    You're not wrong however they are a vast improvement considering how few consultations were accessible online before they started using them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭ Ficheall


    I'm obviously misreading, since those estimates seem low in places... 1 in 10 year flood for Flood St and prom flooded once in 200 years?
    If someone could point out what I'm misinterpreting, I'd appreciate it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭ VanWildcard


    DaCor wrote: »
    You're not wrong however they are a vast improvement considering how few consultations were accessible online before they started using them.

    They could make the content much more presentable online without have to walk around a virtual room and click on posters. These virtual consultation rooms are a silly trend at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭ cooperguy


    Only had an initial look so far but its slightly disappointing that they have limited the "scheme area" to half way down the coast road on the way into Oranmore. That road is a known flood risk and that road is being actively developed for housing right now, with plenty more planned in the future


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Take note, no plans to extend protections out as far as Rusheen Bay which will likely result in the loss of Silverstrand in years to come through natural erosion
    Galway flood relief scheme to take at least 7 years, meeting hears

    Full story - https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2021/0628/1231864-galway-flood-relief/

    A planned flood relief scheme for Galway city will take at least another seven years to complete.

    Galway City Council has been given a briefing on plans to install defences along the coastline from Salthill into the city, and along the banks of the Corrib.

    However it is anticipated that a planning application will not be lodged until 2024, with the project going to tender in 2025.

    Initial estimates suggest the scheme would cost in the region of €9.3 million. The project would protect a total of 312 properties at risk of flooding, during winter storms and high tides.

    Hydrology and environmental assessments are underway at present and will take until 2023 to complete.

    Fianna Fáil Councillor John Connolly expressed concern about areas west of Salthill, under the remit of the National Parks and Wildlife Service, which are not covered by the plan.

    Ms Kilcoyne told the meeting that NPWS was in favour of "natural occurrences" to continue in the area in and around Rusheen Bay, even if it meant losing part of the habitat.

    Cllr Connolly said a 2007 assessment found this could ultimately result in the loss of Silver Strand beach.

    Council efforts to undertake protection works in the area have been repeatedly stymied and this area is "unlikely" to form part of the latest planned flood relief works.


  • Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭ VanWildcard


    DaCor wrote: »
    Take note, no plans to extend protections out as far as Rusheen Bay which will likely result in the loss of Silverstrand in years to come through natural erosion

    Doesn't sound like that would fit within flood relief works anyway, more coastal protection which is surely a different thing. The rock armour was recently built up at Silverstrand, when they closed it for a few weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Looks like we'll be waiting a while longer as timelines are already slipping




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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭ DaCor




  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭ CowboyTed


    You can easily have a wall with a cap that slopes in or out which wouldn't comfortable to sit on..



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