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Is the UK now a security threat?

  • 08-05-2021 9:49am
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    Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun


    The UK media went into meltdown during the week over a peaceful protest by French fishing boats outside the port of St. Helier in Jersey.

    https://imgur.com/a/XUkT0WW

    The current UK government seems focused solely on domestic popularity so if the media whips up enough outrage, as they did over time about EU membership, is there a danger of them doing something stupid?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭ PokeHerKing


    You mean to say, is the UK a security threat again?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭ Berties_Horse


    Unlike the Chinese, I expect their rockets to hit the target. Starting with Mullingar.

    *Sarcasm mode disabled*

    No.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,107 ✭✭✭✭ Junkyard Tom


    When has it not been a security threat?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭ fvp4


    Unlike the Chinese, I expect their rockets to hit the target. Starting with Mullingar.

    *Sarcasm mode disabled*

    No.

    If you are talking about the space rocket then look at Musk. They often fail. I wouldn’t underestimate Chinese technology.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭ indioblack


    Ramasun wrote: »

    The current UK government seems focused solely on domestic popularity so if the media whips up enough outrage, as they did over time about EU membership, is there a danger of them doing something stupid?
    No.
    But carry on speculating.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,662 ✭✭✭✭ Timberrrrrrrr


    Ramasun wrote: »
    The UK media went into meltdown during the week over a peaceful protest by French fishing boats outside the port of St. Helier in Jersey.

    https://imgur.com/a/XUkT0WW

    The current UK government seems focused solely on domestic popularity so if the media whips up enough outrage, as they did over time about EU membership, is there a danger of them doing something stupid?

    A threat to who?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭ riffmongous


    Ramasun wrote: »
    The UK media went into meltdown during the week over a peaceful protest by French fishing boats outside the port of St. Helier in Jersey.

    https://imgur.com/a/XUkT0WW

    The current UK government seems focused solely on domestic popularity so if the media whips up enough outrage, as they did over time about EU membership, is there a danger of them doing something stupid?
    Christ British tabloids and the Neanderthals who read them are such f'ing idiots


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Ten of Swords


    Ramasun wrote: »
    The UK media went into meltdown during the week over a peaceful protest by French fishing boats outside the port of St. Helier in Jersey.

    So? It's what the media do.

    What did the military do? They sent 2 patrol vessels to monitor a protest outside a port and when it ended they withdrew them from the area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun


    So? It's what the media do.

    What did the military do? They sent 2 patrol vessels to monitor a protest outside a port and when it ended they withdrew them from the area.

    Military 'observation' of civilian protests has a poor history, not least in the UK.

    Sending in the gunboats has become a crowd pleaser and useful distraction tactic that you'd normally associate with places like Iran or North Korea.

    The French also dispatched a warship so obviously they felt there was a security issue.


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    Ramasun wrote: »
    Military 'observation' of civilian protests has a poor history, not least in the UK.

    Sending in the gunboats has become a crowd pleaser and useful distraction tactic that you'd normally associate with places like Iran or North Korea.

    The French also dispatched a warship so obviously they felt there was a security issue.

    What do you think we would do if it was an Irish port? Send our navy


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Ten of Swords


    Ramasun wrote: »
    The French also dispatched a warship so obviously they felt there was a security issue.

    The French deployed 2 unarmed patrol vessels, reported to be Themis (Fishery protection) and Athos (Maritime Gendarmerie)


  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun


    What do you think we would do if it was an Irish port? Send our navy

    We'd probably licence some company to go out and clamp their anchors for being illegally parked. :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,260 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms


    Define ‘something stupid’ ?

    The only thing they’ll be interested in is defending their nation and assets.

    If they attack a fellow EU nation they attack the EU...

    France have about 35-40% greater nuclear capability then the British.

    Also... If they attack a country who is an ally or friend of the US as every EU country would be, with a any weapon and or military .... do you think Biden would stand back and schedule a phone call or just press the button ? Deal with the problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭ Hamsterchops


    Strumms wrote: »
    Define ‘something stupid’ ?

    This thread is stupid.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    Jersey wasn't this decade's Falklands thankfully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭ The J Stands for Jay


    Ramasun wrote: »
    Military 'observation' of civilian protests has a poor history, not least in the UK.

    I wouldn't fancy being in, say, a civil rights march observed by British military.


  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun


    Strumms wrote: »
    Define ‘something stupid’ ?

    The only thing they’ll be interested in is defending their nation and assets.

    If they attack a fellow EU nation they attack the EU...

    France have about 35-40% greater nuclear capability then the British.

    Also... If they attack a country who is an ally or friend of the US as every EU country would be, with a any weapon and or military .... do you think Biden would stand back and schedule a phone call or just press the button ? Deal with the problem.

    A lot of what the UK has done in the last 5 years leading to this has been stupid or irrational. Michel Barnier has characterised their behaviour as the Madman strategy. That in itself is a security risk on your doorstep.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭ corner of hells


    Ramasun wrote: »
    A lot of what the UK has done in the last 5 years leading to this has been stupid or irrational. Michel Barnier has characterised their behaviour as the Madman strategy. That in itself is a security risk on your doorstep.

    So , should we be digging trenches?


  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun


    So , should we be digging trenches?

    If relations with the EU deteriorate further and the UK refuses to apply the Irish Sea border controls we will have to check traffic on the NI border.


    ..probably with pillboxes rather than trenches.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,379 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC


    McGaggs wrote: »
    I wouldn't fancy being in, say, a civil rights march observed by British military.

    I wouldn't fancy being in a Civil rights match observed by Chinese or Russian military. As bad as you think the British are they are not as bad as them two I just mentioned.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,354 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    AMKC wrote: »
    I wouldn't fancy being in a Civil rights match observed by Chinese or Russian military. As bad as you think the British are they are not as bad as them two I just mentioned.

    I wouldn't fancy partaking in a Civil Rights march in 13th century Mongolia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭ correct horse battery staple


    McGaggs wrote: »
    I wouldn't fancy being in, say, a civil rights march observed by British military.

    Didn’t the Brits ban peaceful protests recently? The OP has a point if what we are seeing is a slide to a dark nationalist/authoritarian v for vendetta uk


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭ The J Stands for Jay


    AMKC wrote: »
    I wouldn't fancy being in a Civil rights match observed by Chinese or Russian military. As bad as you think the British are they are not as bad as them two I just mentioned.

    Yes, all three are bad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭ The J Stands for Jay


    I wouldn't fancy partaking in a Civil Rights march in 13th century Mongolia.

    We could make a list of bad places and periods to protest in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,260 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms


    Ramasun wrote: »
    A lot of what the UK has done in the last 5 years leading to this has been stupid or irrational. Michel Barnier has characterised their behaviour as the Madman strategy. That in itself is a security risk on your doorstep.

    I’d agree 100% with Barnier. But the British have been stupid, mad even, as they’ve shot themselves in the head.

    That doesn’t make them a security threat.

    Through a democratic decision of their own design, wish and making, they’ve essentially almost annexed themselves, socially and economically...from their neighbors and friends....

    Nobody else in Europe wanted that for them, they chose it for themselves..

    They can’t be looking anywhere and pointing the finger of blame.

    The EU certainly and the maybe the US would not sit back idly and see us invaded... if not just to protect our interests the likes of their own would be at risk...




  • fvp4 wrote: »
    If you are talking about the space rocket then look at Musk. They often fail. I wouldn’t underestimate Chinese technology.

    It didn't fail. It was designed to fall to earth like that, there are 9 more to come


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ POBox19


    The UK is a loose cannon now that they out of the EU and see themselves as Great England now. With the next UK general election due before May 2024 I wouldn't rule out the possibility of them having a bit of a fisticuffs beforehand to rouse the troops and whack johnny foreigner back into place so that Blojob can satisfy his Churchillian ego.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,260 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms


    POBox19 wrote: »
    The UK is a loose cannon now that they out of the EU and see themselves as Great England now. With the next UK general election due before May 2024 I wouldn't rule out the possibility of them having a bit of a fisticuffs beforehand to rouse the troops and whack johnny foreigner back into place so that Blojob can satisfy his Churchillian ego.

    Unlikely...

    They are out of the EU.

    What then if they get aggressive ? militarily aggressive ?

    They’ll be turfed out by the UN.

    Centuries old relationship with the US will be in tatters... not to be repaired.

    Nobody will want to trade with them. An island nation with zero friends, no economy, everyone looking at them for signs of aggression.

    No trust

    Allies will be zero.


  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun


    The Irish Navy might be small but we have a responsibility to control the waters around us and the EU.

    If a similar event happened near our shores we'd have to have capability to respond.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭ 0lddog


    Ramasun wrote: »
    ...The current UK government seems focused solely on domestic popularity so if the media whips up enough outrage, as they did over time about EU membership, is there a danger of them doing something stupid?

    Hey OP, Kermit saw this long ago.

    Why not join the thread ( https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057828882 ) ?

    :D


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