White moose cafe Dublin controversial statement

jk23

A bit of anger and also agreement by some online over this statement by the owner of the White moose cafe about people being happier on pup than applying for a job or to go back to work....what do you think?...

https://www.instagram.com/p/COcpEbfH9WE/?igshid=444c8ka7rbgg

**Apologies for the thread title ..made a bit of a mess of it

pjohnson

White Moose starting the latest marketing campaign.

mloc123

I think people should ignore the white moose cafe...

Beechwoodspark

Cannot stand that plonker and his crappy cafe

km991148

"Controversy"

iwillhtfu

It's interesting how the truth causes outrage so often.

greasepalm

But the pup will end then what?

Ms. Newbie18

I think Paul uses bold statements that will purposely incite the public to garner attention for his business, and it works. I believe he a media/marketing company Outrage Marketing..

Whether or not people are happier sitting at home on the pup payment is something I don't know.

Anyone I know who is on it cannot wait to get back into their jobs. They miss working and know that they will have to pay back the pup payment once they are back in FT work.

riffmongous

The guy's an attention whore, simple as. I couldn't even be bothered reading about his latest cry for attention

When did it become a "new development" for minimum wage business owners in vastly overpriced cities to struggle to staff jobs? In fairness I suppose the post does say he's prepared to pay well and above the PUP handout, though he doesn't actually mention a number.

deep_dish

In today's world, it takes a special kind of moron to openly bask in the glory of outrage marketing

Strumms

If he’s struggling to get applications for the positions now...err... Who is going to be wanting to work for an individual like that ?

Maybe he should open his mind to the reality that during a pandemic, people won’t be falling over themselves to apply for a job that takes them into contact with xxx people per week, over xx hours, in a reasonably confined setting...

Ms. Newbie18

deep_dish wrote: »

In today's world, it takes a special kind of moron to openly bask in the glory of outrage marketing

People will do nearly anything for to gain like, views and followers. For the WM, it is working.

During a time when a lot of business in his industry are on their knees; his business is not only surviving but by all accounts thriving.

Buddy Bubs

Yes he's a media whore and always was but there's plenty of truth in what he's saying. I've had plenty of lads turn down jobs at the moment between 450 and 480 euro per week. Not the best jobs in the world, warehouse operative unskilled stuff but opportunity for overtime etc and permanent jobs. They'll be looking for these jobs when pup ends.

Trigger Happy

Maybe this has nothing to do with money and people just dont want to work for him because they dont like him?

Ms. Newbie18

Buddy Bubs wrote: »

Yes he's a media whore and always was but there's plenty of truth in what he's saying. I've had plenty of lads turn down jobs at the moment between 450 and 480 euro per week. Not the best jobs in the world, warehouse operative unskilled stuff but opportunity for overtime etc and permanent jobs. They'll be looking for these jobs when pup ends.

I wonder do those people know they will have to pay that PUP back. Its not free money.

gmisk

He is a knob best ignored.
Seemingly he treats his staff like crap, if he didn't he might be able to hang onto them.

He will do or say anything for a bit of publicity.

seamus

He's the Lidl brand Michael O'Leary.

Ioni 1985

jk23 wrote: »

A bit of anger and also agreement by some online over this statement by the owner of the White moose cafe about people being happier on pup than applying for a job or to go back to work....what do you think?...

https://www.instagram.com/p/COcpEbfH9WE/?igshid=444c8ka7rbgg

**Apologies for the thread title ..made a bit of a mess of it

If the owner can't "find " staff for his establishment why thinking that workers from this industry are sitting in front of TV and happy on PUP? Some are waiting for the previous bars/restaurants where they worked,to reopen and some are looking /starting new jobs in different industries, because these one is f....d for the next few yrs. I worked in hospitality for the last 13 yrs and now looking for an apprenticeship job in plumbing or electrician.

gmisk

seamus wrote: »

He's the Lidl brand Michael O'Leary.

He wishes.
Lidl is decent.

FileNotFound

Sure if some of his workers are on PUP and not coming back to work he has a point.

Otherwise its a bit of general statement with little to back it up beyond the highest non working numbers in god knows how long and no alternative jobs.

Maybe he has a point, this was an issue post the first lockdown. Either way good advertising as ever.

growleaves

iwillhtfu wrote: »

It's interesting how the truth causes outrage so often.

I think there's a germ of truth there, no doubt a few are delighted to be subsidised to sit home on 350 a week.

But its really rubbing salt in the wound suggesting that PUP takers in general are welfare scammers.

Its doubly aggravating to anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly believe in the lockdowns: first your job is taken away, then you're accused of being a laze-bag.

Great publicity I suppose, though I'll never give that cafe a cent of my money ever.

hurikane

You know those people who love the sound of their own voices...................

growleaves

Ioni 1985 wrote: »

If the owner can't "find " staff for his establishment why thinking that workers from this industry are sitting in front of TV and happy on PUP? Some are waiting for the previous bars/restaurants where they worked,to reopen and some are looking /starting new jobs in different industries, because these one is f....d for the next few yrs. I worked in hospitality for the last 13 yrs and now looking for an apprenticeship job in plumbing or electrician.

They may have decided to exit a volatile, newly-insecure industry.

Who's to say *for definite* there won't be more shutdowns?

rob316

He can't find staff because he's a tosser, nothing to do with PUP

chuck eastwood

Don't really care much about him one way or the other but he's right. Place in in no there was about 130 floor unskilled staff who were on the PuP twice in the last year. When lockdowns came in and orders took a hit people were at each others throats to be first in line to stay hom for 350 a week. Im not exactly sure how it works but our general manager had to threaten dismissal for staff who wouldn't come back.
I totally get why low paid workers would feel they are better off at home but if there is a full time job waiting for you with a chance of pay rises and decent bonuses and free courses then I think in our company you would certainly be called out over it

spaceHopper

Buddy Bubs wrote: »

Yes he's a media whore and always was but there's plenty of truth in what he's saying. I've had plenty of lads turn down jobs at the moment between 450 and 480 euro per week. Not the best jobs in the world, warehouse operative unskilled stuff but opportunity for overtime etc and permanent jobs. They'll be looking for these jobs when pup ends.

But they could get the PUP and make 500 with a builder cash

mrslancaster

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

I wonder do those people know they will have to pay that PUP back. Its not free money.

Who said PUP has to be paid back?

SupaCat95

Parents please show this post and the White moose cafe website to your children. If you dont do well at school and go to college or get a trade you are going to end up working for a tosser like this with no other options.

SupaCat95

mrslancaster wrote: »

Who said PUP has to be paid back?

Its Fiat currency and prevents you from developing. It will be paid back one way or another but it will have to be reckoned with at some stage. Me thinks in September when interest rates adjust.

WrenBoy

seamus wrote: »

He's the Lidl brand Michael O'Leary.

that bakery tho. ...

Ms. Newbie18

mrslancaster wrote: »

Who said PUP has to be paid back?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/covid-payment-shock-pup-recipients-will-have-to-pay-income-tax-on-the-welfare-benefit-this-year-40073162.html#:~:text=Covid%20payment%20shock%3A%20PUP%20recipients,the%20welfare%20benefit%20this%20year&text=Hundreds%20of%20thousands%20of%20people,on%20the%20payment%20this%20year.

greasepalm

Ok so half of us wont return to work.

biko

Not the first nor the last time he says something controversial.

Jan 17th 2018, https://www.dailyedge.ie/white-moose-cafe-3801787-Jan2018/
PAUL STENSON OF The White Moose Café and Charleville Lodge in Dublin has a bit of reputation for being a wind-up merchant.


But hey, if you don't like him - don't go to his cafe. It's really that simple.

NoLuckLarry

mrslancaster wrote: »

Who said PUP has to be paid back?

It’s not free money, my wife was on it from March to Jan this year and has a 2k sum of tax to be deducted from her wages for the next year or 2

Buddy Bubs

Buddy Bubs wrote: »

Yes he's a media whore and always was but there's plenty of truth in what he's saying. I've had plenty of lads turn down jobs at the moment between 450 and 480 euro per week. Not the best jobs in the world, warehouse operative unskilled stuff but opportunity for overtime etc and permanent jobs. They'll be looking for these jobs when pup ends.

If they're on PUP then they have a job to go back to. If they're fraudulently claiming it that's another issue.

freshpopcorn

As much as people on Boards like to complain about people staying on social welfare, etc. I do understand why people wouldn't work with this guy.
He seems like a horrible git to be honest.

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

He seems like a horrible git to be honest.

He might be a horrible git but I would hesitate to push away a half or even a quarter share of one of his towering chocolatey desserts right this minute.

wonga77

He comes across as an ass but at the end of the day, here is a thread on boards talking about it so mission accomplished.
il bet a lot of people who had never heard of him have looked up the White moose cafe today. Its all about the clicks and he wont give a toss how he gets them (as he's proven many times in the past)

ShatterAlan

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

I think Paul uses bold statements that will purposely incite the public to garner attention for his business, and it works. I believe he a media/marketing company Outrage Marketing..

Whether or not people are happier sitting at home on the pup payment is something I don't know.

Anyone I know who is on it cannot wait to get back into their jobs. They miss working and know that they will have to pay back the pup payment once they are back in FT work.

They will have to pay back the PUP? How is that going to work?

Ms. Newbie18

ShatterAlan wrote: »

They will have to pay back the PUP? How is that going to work?

Once you start back working you will be paying a higher rate of tax until its paid back. I know a few people working on sites and last year when they went back to work they got a shock in their 1st few pay packets.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/covid-payment-shock-pup-recipients-will-have-to-pay-income-tax-on-the-welfare-benefit-this-year-40073162.html#:~:text=Covid%20payment%20shock%3A%20PUP%20recipients,the%20welfare%20benefit%20this%20year&text=Hundreds%20of%20thousands%20of%20people,on%20the%20payment%20this%20year.

EmmetSpiceland

Did Supermac’s Pat McDonagh get this much “coverage” when he complained about similar last year?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

pjohnson wrote: »

White Moose starting the latest marketing campaign.

In fairness to the knob who runs that place, he always gets the attention he craves. Why wouldn't he keep doing it, when people keep reacting? They fall into two camps. People like me, I suppose, who think him a gobshite and say so and those who think he's a "legend", sticking it to people.

Heraclius

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

Once you start back working you will be paying a higher rate of tax until its paid back. I know a few people working on sites and last year when they went back to work they got a shock in their 1st few pay packets.

Taxing a payment is different to being made to repay it. The article you linked to seems to be talking about tax only.

Heraclius

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

In fairness to the knob who runs that place, he always gets the attention he craves. Why wouldn't he keep doing it, when people keep reacting? They fall into two camps. People like me, I suppose, who think him a gobshite and say so and those who think he's a "legend", sticking it to people.

I wish he would punch up occasionally instead of punching down.

fryup

How much do they charge for a semi skimmed chai latte with a sprinkling of cinnamon on top??

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Heraclius wrote: »

I wish he would punch up occasionally instead of punching down.

Yes, that's exactly it. Always just some easy target that a gormless teenager would joke about. Oooh, you had a go at fat people, Stenson. Rebel on. :rolleyes:

Sinus pain

I don’t like him - but I think he has a point. He has a b&b (not sure if it’s a hotel) on top of the cafe - I’d say this is were he is struggling to get staff for this as his cafe - well his out door van thing is packed anytime I’ve gone past - he also does deliveries and he ain’t cheap. I’ve never eaten in it or from it but I know people who have and they say it’s lovely...

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

I think Paul uses bold statements that will purposely incite the public to garner attention for his business, and it works. I believe he a media/marketing company Outrage Marketing..

Whether or not people are happier sitting at home on the pup payment is something I don't know.

Anyone I know who is on it cannot wait to get back into their jobs. They miss working and know that they will have to pay back the pup payment once they are back in FT work.

Aye, I'm very reluctantly retired due to ill health and I'd skip back to work in a second if I could. Whilst there are always wasters, most people hate sitting at home on welfare and genuinely want to contribute to society. What his ad is telling me is that he'd be a terrible boss. That is one job I wouldn't want to hop to if I could work again.

Sinus pain

Sinus pain wrote: »

I don’t like him - but I think he has a point. He has a b&b (not sure if it’s a hotel) on top of the cafe - I’d say this is were he is struggling to get staff for this as his cafe - well his out door van thing is packed anytime I’ve gone past - he also does deliveries and he ain’t cheap. I’ve never eaten in it or from it but I know people who have and they say it’s lovely...

Him not being able to get staff,is a consequence of his actions and carryon

Sympathy for him,deosnt run too deep here anyway.....maybe he should pack it up,so noone need read his really cringy middle class attempt at wind up,which is in reality patethic childlike attention seeking



Alot of one and two star employee reviews on indeed

Ms. Newbie18

Heraclius wrote: »

Ms. Newbie18 wrote: »

Once you start back working you will be paying a higher rate of tax until its paid back. I know a few people working on sites and last year when they went back to work they got a shock in their 1st few pay packets.

Taxing a payment is different to being made to repay it. The article you linked to seems to be talking about tax only.

I could have linked the wrong article as I've read a few on the subject but last year if you had accepted the pup payment, it came back out of your tax. Maybe not the full amount of it but a good chunk. You had an option as to how long you wanted to pay it back over. I think the choice was 1-4 years.