Andrew Brown Shooting (US)

BattleCorp

wicklowstevo wrote: »

from that it seems he was ramming back and forth trying to get away and wasnt at all bothered about killing or hurting some cops

defending ones life is hardly a crime

I've learned not to believe either the victim's family or the cops to be honest. If the Sherriff's statement is true, it would seem justifiable but we need the video to see if it's true or not.

hawley

BattleCorp wrote: »

I've learned not to believe either the victim's family or the cops to be honest. If the Sherriff's statement is true, it would seem justifiable but we need the video to see if it's true or not.

If he was attempting to knock over an officer, it would give them a motive for shooting AB. In that case, the footage should be released and we could avoid this s**tshow. His family saw the footage and are calling it an extrajudicial assault assassination. We haven't heard from the police force yet. They will back each other up.

BattleCorp

hawley wrote: »

If he was attempting to knock over an officer, it would give them a motive for shooting AB. In that case, the footage should be released and we could avoid this s**tshow. His family saw the footage and are calling it an extrajudicial assault assassination. We haven't heard from the police force yet. They will back each other up.

The footage will eventually be released. We'll get to see what happened then.

You are judging the cops and the family by different standards by the way. Both versions should be taken with a pinch of salt until we see the footage.

wicklowstevo

hawley wrote: »

If he was attempting to knock over an officer, it would give them a motive for shooting AB. In that case, the footage should be released and we could avoid this s**tshow. His family saw the footage and are calling it an extrajudicial assault assassination. We haven't heard from the police force yet. They will back each other up.

Motive ? I think your using the wrong word there

Not being killed by a criminal is a hell of a motivation for anyone

its not a popularity contest or whos version you like best ,

If there are multiple camera's the facts will tell eventually and probably after the media has lost interest

hawley

Civil rights activist Al Sharpton will deliver a eulogy at Andrew Brown Jr's funeral next week.

A service for the dad-of-10 - who was shot dead by cops in North Carolina during a drug-related warrant executed by police on April 21 - will be held in Elizabeth County on Monday (May 3).

It comes as Pasquotank County Sheriff Tommy Wooten on Thursday released the names of the officers involved.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/14771840/andrew-brown-body-cam-footage-al-sharpton-latest-updates/amp/
I hope that the family can get some answers from the investigation. To leave behind ten children is so desperately sad. Their lives have been ruined by this

hawley

Andrew Brown Jr.'s loved ones on Monday called him a friendly man, eager to be everyone's "best friend," as they continued questioning the deadly force used by North Carolina sheriff's deputies.

The Rev. Al Sharpton bemoaned why he was delivering another eulogy for a Black man, killed during a confrontation with law enforcement.

“We are going to celebrate him but we are not going to excuse that we shouldn’t have to be here to do this. So don’t confuse the celebration with the determination to get justice in this matter,” Sharpton, who is also an MSNBC host, told mourners at the Fountain of Life Church, just three miles away from where Brown was killed in Elizabeth City on April 21.

“This in Elizabeth City is disgraceful and shameful."

Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies sought to serve a warrant for Brown's arrest on felony drug charges two weeks ago Wednesday when three of the lawmen opened fire, officials said.

"Andrew Brown Jr., if he did wrong bring him to court," Sharpton said, standing on a stage over Brown's rose-draped casket. "But you don’t have a right to bring him to his funeral."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1266139

Hopefully having Al Sharpton there will give the family some solace that they're being thought of by ordinary people. Andrew came across like a really decent person. He might have had some flaws but what happened was a disgrace. They've a long road ahead of them.

hawley

hawley wrote: »

Andrew Brown Jr.'s loved ones on Monday called him a friendly man, eager to be everyone's "best friend," as they continued questioning the deadly force used by North Carolina sheriff's deputies.

The Rev. Al Sharpton bemoaned why he was delivering another eulogy for a Black man, killed during a confrontation with law enforcement.

“We are going to celebrate him but we are not going to excuse that we shouldn’t have to be here to do this. So don’t confuse the celebration with the determination to get justice in this matter,” Sharpton, who is also an MSNBC host, told mourners at the Fountain of Life Church, just three miles away from where Brown was killed in Elizabeth City on April 21.

“This in Elizabeth City is disgraceful and shameful."

Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies sought to serve a warrant for Brown's arrest on felony drug charges two weeks ago Wednesday when three of the lawmen opened fire, officials said.

"Andrew Brown Jr., if he did wrong bring him to court," Sharpton said, standing on a stage over Brown's rose-draped casket. "But you don’t have a right to bring him to his funeral."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1266139

Hopefully having Al Sharpton there will give the family some solace that they're being thought of by ordinary people. Andrew came across like a really decent person. He might have had some flaws but what happened was a disgrace. They've a long road ahead of them.

They’re always great church going family men/women!

hawley

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They’re always great church going family men/women!

I doubt that Al Sharpton would get involved if he had any doubts about the case. All people are calling for is the release of the bodycam footage. It would give his family peace of mind.

wicklowstevo

hawley wrote: »

I doubt that Al Sharpton would get involved if he had any doubts about the case. All people are calling for is the release of the bodycam footage. It would give his family peace of mind.

man i hope thats satire

sharpton is one of the most hateful race baiters in Americas history and has made his livelihood out of creating a victim culture for black Americans . he is a fraudster and a racist

for some one to suggest that al sharpton cares about any color but green would suggest that they need more research

hawley

wicklowstevo wrote: »

man i hope thats satire

sharpton is one of the most hateful race baiters in Americas history and has made his livelihood out of creating a victim culture for black Americans . he is a fraudster and a racist

for some one to suggest that al sharpton cares about any color but green would suggest that they need more research

Fair enough if you don't like him but he is known as a civil rights campaigner. Also, relatives of other black men killed by law enforcement officers, including siblings of George Floyd, Eric Garner's mother and Daunte Wright's sister spoke at the service, so it's not like he's singlehandedly giving this campaign credibility.

wicklowstevo

hawley wrote: »

Fair enough if you don't like him but he is known as a civil rights campaigner. Also, relatives of other black men killed by law enforcement officers, including siblings of George Floyd, Eric Garner's mother and Daunte Wright's sister spoke at the service, so it's not like he's singlehandedly giving this campaign credibility.

he has also given his supposed legitimatecy to proven false narratives

a FBI informer and fraudster too

twowheelsonly

The Rev. Al Sharpton bemoaned why he was delivering another eulogy for a Black man, killed during a confrontation with law enforcement.

“We are going to celebrate him but we are not going to excuse that we shouldn’t have to be here to do this. So don’t confuse the celebration with the determination to get justice in this matter,” Sharpton, who is also an MSNBC host, told mourners at the Fountain of Life Church, just three miles away from where Brown was killed in Elizabeth City on April 21.

“This in Elizabeth City is disgraceful and shameful."

Sharpton is NY born and bred. He's a bigot and a racist that is stealing a living attending funerals all over the country under the guise of being a Civil Rights campaigner. Sharpton is concerned about one person and one person only, and that person isn't from North Carolina, Ohio or Minnesota. He's a complete and utter narcissist. If anyone believes that he's travelling 500 miles again for the benefit of that family they're as deluded as he is.

Overheal

Activists always swirl around the issues, Sharpton among them. Rarely worth diving into, they give mixed clout to any given issue. Celebrity lawyers are another bugbear, like Benjamin Crump.

hawley

Judge Jeff Foster granted, in part, a petition from the sheriff's office allowing Brown's family and one of its legal representatives to view the videos -- but they will not be allowed to receive copies or make recordings.

The judge filed his order Thursday night, according to a copy posted by the county. The order says the videos consist of almost two hours of footage.

Before the family views the footage, the judge ordered the sheriff's office to blur the deputies' facial features "to prevent identification pending the completion of any internal or criminal investigation into the actions of the deputies."

The sheriff's department said it was unclear if Brown's family will see the video Friday.

"We've been working on making redactions since the hearing and are reviewing the order to comply with the specifics the judge included," the sheriff's department said in an email.

"We don't anticipate seeing anything we don't already know. We think it will show an unjustified shooting," a source close to the Brown family said. "Regardless of when we see it (the videos) we will notice everyone when viewed and schedule a presser."

The order says that the video disclosure "shall occur to the family within 10 days" of the order.

Protesters have been calling almost nightly for the full release of the videos. Another protest with members of the clergy including Bishop William Barber is set for Saturday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/07/us/andrew-brown-jr-family-police-video/index.html

We'll have a better idea of what happened after they get to see the footage. If he wasn't in any way threatening towards the cops, there could be big protests in the future. It would escalate racial tensions in the South.

wicklowstevo

hawley wrote: »

Judge Jeff Foster granted, in part, a petition from the sheriff's office allowing Brown's family and one of its legal representatives to view the videos -- but they will not be allowed to receive copies or make recordings.

The judge filed his order Thursday night, according to a copy posted by the county. The order says the videos consist of almost two hours of footage.

Before the family views the footage, the judge ordered the sheriff's office to blur the deputies' facial features "to prevent identification pending the completion of any internal or criminal investigation into the actions of the deputies."

The sheriff's department said it was unclear if Brown's family will see the video Friday.

"We've been working on making redactions since the hearing and are reviewing the order to comply with the specifics the judge included," the sheriff's department said in an email.

"We don't anticipate seeing anything we don't already know. We think it will show an unjustified shooting," a source close to the Brown family said. "Regardless of when we see it (the videos) we will notice everyone when viewed and schedule a presser."

The order says that the video disclosure "shall occur to the family within 10 days" of the order.

Protesters have been calling almost nightly for the full release of the videos. Another protest with members of the clergy including Bishop William Barber is set for Saturday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/07/us/andrew-brown-jr-family-police-video/index.html

We'll have a better idea of what happened after they get to see the footage. If he wasn't in any way threatening towards the cops, there could be big protests in the future. It would escalate racial tensions in the South.

and if he tried to murder the police officer same thing

the race baiting is getting old

hawley

wicklowstevo wrote: »

and if he tried to murder the police officer same thing

His son called it an extrajudicial assassination. Yes, he was involved in some drug dealing but it didn't give the police the right to send him home in a coffin.

wicklowstevo

hawley wrote: »

His son called it an extrajudicial assassination. Yes, he was involved in some drug dealing but it didn't give the police the right to send him home in a coffin.

well yes it does if he attacked them or you would rather see more dead police perhaps ?

drug dealing criminal attacks police , police defend them self , good job done

next racial out rage thread please

BattleCorp

hawley wrote: »

His son called it an extrajudicial assassination. Yes, he was involved in some drug dealing but it didn't give the police the right to send him home in a coffin.

Would you not wait to see the video before you decide on the cops' guilt?

Overheal

BattleCorp wrote: »

Would you not wait to see the video before you decide on the cops' guilt?

As I read that he didn't, the son did.

BattleCorp

Overheal wrote: »

As I read that he didn't, the son did.

Fair enough. I didn't read it as a quote or paraphrase from the son. Apologies.

hawley

The family of a Black man who was fatally shot by sheriff's deputies in North Carolina is expected to view more than 18 minutes of body camera video of the encounter on Tuesday.

The recordings will to be shown to relatives of Andrew Brown Jr. at 3 p.m., according to county officials. Family attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter said a news conference will likely follow.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/family-of-andrew-brown-jr-to-see-more-footage-of-north-carolina-deputy-shooting/2376908/%3famp

So we will finally know if his family were justified in calling it an extrajudicial assassination. At the moment, there's nothing to say that Andrew Brown did anything wrong. One South African minister called the U.S. "a slaughterhouse for black people" after the Lindani case. This could re-escalate the whole situation in light of the George Floyd.

BattleCorp

hawley wrote: »

The family of a Black man who was fatally shot by sheriff's deputies in North Carolina is expected to view more than 18 minutes of body camera video of the encounter on Tuesday.

So we will finally know if his family were justified in calling it an extrajudicial assassination. At the moment, there's nothing to say that Andrew Brown did anything wrong. One South African minister called the U.S. "a slaughterhouse for black people" after the Lindani case. This could re-escalate the whole situation in light of the George Floyd.

Eh, not quite. We will get to know the family's opinion of the event,which may or may not be accurate. Personally I'd like to see the video myself before I make up my mind on the incident.

hawley

The full police body cam footage of Andrew Brown Jr.'s fatal encounter with cops in North Carolina has been shown to his immediate family ... and they claim it corroborates their belief that he was unjustly gunned down.

Attorney Chance Lynch just gave a rundown of what Brown's family saw on the police footage. According to Lynch ... the video shows Brown sitting in his vehicle outside his home when he was ambushed by officers, and he never made any movement to provoke cops to shoot.
Lynch claims at all times Brown's hands were visible and he did not pose a threat to law enforcement, but then after the first shot, he put his car in reverse to try to get away.

Lynch says Brown was backing his car away from officers -- insisting at no time was a cop behind the vehicle -- but claims police kept firing shots at Brown's car ... too many to count.

After the final shot, Lynch says Brown lost control of his car and it went down a ditch and hit a tree. Lynch claims when the cops pulled Brown out of the car, they laid him flat on his face so they could see he was shot in the back of the head. Lynch says the cops then began to search Brown's home.

Lynch adds that no weapons were found and makes it very clear -- Brown's family and legal team firmly believe the fatal shooting was "absolutely unjustified."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2021/05/11/andrew-brown-jr-police-shooting-body-cam-video-released-family/

This seems to back up their claims of this being an "extrajudicial assassination". It seems like Brown did nothing out of the ordinary. We need to see the footage in order to make a fully rounded judgement. It's coming up to a year of the George Floyd. This could re-escalate the whole situation.

hawley

Following the family's viewing of body and dash camera footage of Andrew Brown Jr.'s death, attorneys for the family recommitted to pursuing the full release of all videos of the shooting.

"We will move fairly quickly on that matter to go before the court to make our arguments to get the videos released," attorney Harry Daniels said.
Family attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter said that Brown's sons were shown less than 20 minutes of the 2 hours of body camera footage that exists. That was all the court had authorized to be shown to the family, Pasquotank County Sheriff Tommy Wooten said.

"It was my hope that we will be able to release the video publicly so everyone could see for themselves what happened," Wooten said.

And though the footage was limited and redacted, attorney Chase Lynch told CNN's Anderson Cooper that what they saw still showed an unjustified shooting.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/12/us/andrew-brown-jr-family-video-release/index.html

I doubt that they would push for a public release unless they felt it was a cast iron case. It must be terrifying for the family to be putin this position. The county is trying to evade justice. The DA needs to tender his resignation.

hawley

The Pasquotank NAACP is calling for the justice in the death of Andrew Brown Jr. Brown was shot and killed in April in Elizabeth City as deputies served warrants. On Sunday, the NAACP chapter held a rally in Elizabeth City demanding that the officers involved in Brown’s death be held accountable.
https://www.wtkr.com/news/pasquotank-co-naacp-demand-officers-be-fired-in-andrew-brown-jr-death

There seems to be a huge amount of anger in NC over his death. We need to find out if he was in any way endangering the police during the incident. It seems like he was only sitting in his vehicle. The NAACP must feel that the police acted unlawfully, as they are calling for their dismissal. There have been big protests in the last few days, since the family saw some of the footage.

Manic Moran

Well, we got to see footage.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/us/andrew-brown-jr-press-conference/index.html

After one initial viewing, I’m in two minds on this. No two ways that Brown drove at officers. He was obviously surrounded by guys with guns, to include one directly in front of him, yet he still chose to drive at them. Starting to shoot at that point is justified.

What I’m not so sure about is whether the police continued to fire at him after the danger had passed and he could no longer run over one, and if so, whether he was already dead at that point. That requires, I would think, more assessment.

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

Well, we got to see footage.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/us/andrew-brown-jr-press-conference/index.html

After one initial viewing, I’m in two minds on this. No two ways that Brown drove at officers. He was obviously surrounded by guys with guns, to include one directly in front of him, yet he still chose to drive at them. Starting to shoot at that point is justified.

What I’m not so sure about is whether the police continued to fire at him after the danger had passed and he could no longer run over one, and if so, whether he was already dead at that point. That requires, I would think, more assessment.

If this was Antifa, or 3 Percenters, rolling up to some random ass home in the United States in a truck with tactical gear and rifles, I think anyone would have reacted in much the same manner. In fact, several states protect the right of self defense using a vehicle in similar circumstances.

The fact is that there are militia groups in this country like the 3 percenters who ostensibly operate under the bounds of the Constitution when they show up to protests etc. in top to bottom tactical gear.




The truck squad fanned out and made a perimeter around the vehicle, putting themselves between Brown and any method of escape known to him when being assaulted, within seconds, by a full tactical gear squad pointing rifles which did not clearly announce it was Police. Nobody expects an armed truck-launched raid of spec-ops to show up at their driveway and have it be the police. That's the kind of tactic most colloquially associated with organized crime. I probably would have hit the gas, too, and hoped their aim was bad - and true enough, iirc Brown was killed by a single lethal hit. They would have, to me, all looked like they were about to execute me anyway, the way they would be fanned out around me with rifles aimed at me (Observe the positions of the officers in the released video).

This was another no knock raid, no sirens etc. to announce any sort of official government power of arrest.

Based on what I've seen so far in this case, I believe Andrew Browns civil rights were violated. This arrest was under a Use of Force policy that doesn't consider the totality of circumstances, such as, the officers being the ones to escalate the encounter to its lethal condition. We saw this play out in a parallel case on another thread, where the officer was arrested under reformed Use of Force law in Virginia, which took into account that the officer orchestrated the conditions for the perceived threat to his own life, and therefore had no justification to kill the suspect in that case: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058183978

The officers also continued to fire without a clean shot, the backdrop was another private home.

If this happened in Virginia the officers would be charged with murder just as Officer Johnathan Richard Brown was in the not wholly dissimilar Bristol incident.

Manic Moran

I'm not sure I see the correlation.

A bunch of guys show up in a fully marked vehicle with "SHERIFF" marked on the side. They all jump off, shouting "stop" and are wearing "SHERIFF" on their armor, clearly visible. As someone already convicted of over two dozen charges, it is not a huge leap to think that they are, in fact, actually police, and not Antifa or some right wing militia taking a personal interest in you.

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'm not sure I see the correlation.

A bunch of guys show up in a fully marked vehicle with "SHERIFF" marked on the side. They all jump off, shouting "stop" and are wearing "SHERIFF" on their armor, clearly visible. As someone already convicted of over two dozen charges, it is not a huge leap to think that they are, in fact, actually police, and not Antifa or some right wing militia taking a personal interest in you.

Am I meant to be reading or paying attention to the rifles drawn at me? Under flight/fight?

People can and have been known to impersonate law enforcement. "Stop" doesn't tell me a whole lot.

This no knock raid is a farce.

Manic Moran

What were they going to knock on? It seems he didn't leave the car still long enough for them to knock on the door.