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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Lol.

    What a silly argument. Either you don't understand statistics to that degree or you are pretending. Either way it shows that your argument isn't worth anything.

    It's either profoundly ignorant or it's profoundly dishonest.


    You can't say that those kids experienced bad side effects from the vaccine because that's not what happened. If it did then it would be stated in the study. If you're going to now invent a conspiracy to explain why it was not mentioned in the study, then that fails as they would simply not say those kids got sick on the first place.

    We also know that this can't be the case cause we don't see these side effects that result in a 600% rise in hospitalisations. You conspiracy theories have been failing this entire thread to point out any of these side effects.


    Likewise you can't say that the vaccine is more likely to result in kids going to the hospital as again that's not what's stated in the study and not a conclusion you can reach based on 6 cases.


    You've this awful habit of living things about studies that they studies don't actually say.


    And yea man, I'm not arsed to answer your question given the amount of my questions that have been dodged and avoided by yourself and your buddies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    Well I didn't say any of those things you assumed I did, the data showed you were statically more likely to end up in hospital after the injection. I've repeatedly said we don't know why and that the data was rubbish.

    By your own admissions you agree that the data isn't robust enough to draw any conclusions or assumptions.

    I'll ask again, why if the antibodies are so high in that cohort is there a need to inject them with an unknown with no medium or long term safety data?

    I'd have to look again but from memory none of the kids actually had visible signs of Covid they needed to be tested.

    You don't answer any questions, heaven forbid you might have to agree with one of us that data can be misrepresented or outright rubbish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Lol the gymnastics you're going to are amazing.

    I originally asked:

    Which is more likely to happen?

    A kid having serious side effects from covid or having serious side effects from the vaccine?

    You then started rambling about a study you don't even believe that doesn't say anything about side effects from the vaccine.

    That's fine.

    Since you're now saying that's not an answer to my original point, maybe try again.

    Which is more likely to happen? A kid having serious side effects from covid or having serious side effects from the vaccine?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    Based on the trial data the latter, again we don't know why that is.

    Yet you still won't answer my question, why vaccinate kids with antibodies which are shown to be long lasting and protective, why inject an unknown into the mix when the known is good enough to protect them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭ shillyshilly


    it's actually quite welcomed by families who have children who have completed chemo, where vaccines are used to rebuild their immune system in a controlled manner, you know, during a time when there is a bit of a respiratory virus going round killing people...

    or kids with immunodeficiencies such as CF where they have the small problem of even a flu killing them if they are going througb a low immunity period...

    trying to even qoute the hippocratic oath as a blocker is just pathetic..

    throw in a link to the myocarditis study too please.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Lol. No. That's not something you can say based on 6 cases from a trial. And as you've admitted, we can exclude the notion those were due to vaccine side effects.

    Try again.


    And No, I won't answer your question because we're still trying to get you to answer my first one.

    Or if you prefer you can go way back to one of the previous questions you've dodged, like finding the quote from the Israeli study you lied about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    So you can't draw any conclusion from the 6 cases we agree on that.

    Where we don't agree is that means it's safe to roll out to 17 million under 5's based on the same amount of cases.

    No you won't answer the question because you know the answer doesn't agree with your narrative. A complete an utter pharma shill is all you are and by not answering your screaming it loud and proud.

    Enough with the whataboutism you're had enough question answered yet you can't answer one, pathetic weaseling on your behalf.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Nope. I told you that I won't answer your question because you've still to answer mine.

    You agree that the study doesn't have anything to do with vaccine side effects. Great.

    That means you've not actually answered my question again.

    Which is more likely to happen? A kid having serious side effects from covid or having serious side effects from the vaccine?


    And again man, this silly childish accusation that people are being paid not to believe you, it's not helping you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭ bad2thebone


    Why's there 4 million vaccines left over and they're trying to sell them?

    Surly they are still worth holding onto and if they help with the pandemic, we need them rather than selling them off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 749 ✭✭✭ Whocare


    first off i got two doses of a vaccine. But will not be getting any booster if i can help it . i have small enough group of friends and i know two have got blood clots shortly after getting the vaccine



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Assuming this his true, how do you know that the blood clots were caused by the vaccine?

    WHy would you avoid the vaccine when the chances of getting blood clots (and many other issues) is far far higher when you get covid?



  • Registered Users Posts: 749 ✭✭✭ Whocare


    it is true one blood clots cases is very close friend it bit like roy Butler in Waterford keep quiet the the side effects

    plus around 3 month ago i got very minor itching the back of my throat and for some reason pain in my leg had it for few days next things a family member in the house had same thing and got tested it was covid

    personally for time being i won't be getting a bolster anytime soon



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Sorry, your post doesn't make a lot of sense.

    Could you try that again? Maybe actually answering my questions this time?



  • Registered Users Posts: 749 ✭✭✭ Whocare


    ok i put it this way at my age covid is non issue . plus as i said i have very small group of friends with two cases of blood clots



  • Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭ bad2thebone



    Hopefully the pharmacutical companies have spin doctors to deflect this from people alluding to them being vaccine injuries. The pharma products need to be trusted no matter what. As their business and investor's need to make their money. And the spin doctors better be good, because people are asking too many questions.

    Conspiracy theorists are saying that the monkey pox and shingles, blood clots etc are created by the vaccines. Some conspiracy theorists are even suggesting that the vaccines are wiping people's immune systems. Or imprinting people's immune system with one response to the original covid strain and it can't be tweaked ever again.

    Absolute lies according to the spin doctors, and suggesting that natural immunity is better than pharma immunity should be stamped out too. Because if people start believing that, they'll not buy pharma products nor will they trust the pharma.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    But you're still not making sense, nor are you addressing my questions.

    At any age, the chances of blood clots from covid are far higher than blood clots from vaccines, so it's completely contradictory to avoid vaccines because you're afraid of blood clots.

    You don't know that the vaccine caused the blood clots in your friends. But frankly, I don't believe for a second that's a true story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    Are you really saying you won't get Omicron if you have a vaccine and if you do manage to catch Omicron even if you had a vaccine and you do get a blood clot that was caused by Omicron not the vaccine.

    That is complete and utter horse shite unless you can back it up with evidence, you won't though because you never do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭ King Mob


    Nope. That's not what I'm saying. That's a dishonest and pretty pathetic and hypocritical strawman you're trying to use.

    Poor show.

    You're leaving your question hanging BTW. No need to butt into another string of posts without answering it.

    Which is more likely to happen? A kid having serious side effects from covid or having serious side effects from the vaccine?

    If you ignore it one more time, you are admitting that the side effects from covid are more likely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    You said, "At any age, the chances of blood clots from covid are far higher than blood clots from vaccines, so it's completely contradictory to avoid vaccines because you're afraid of blood clots"

    I said produce some evidence for that horse shite statement in relation to Omicron and you can't so off you go with more whataboutery.

    Your question has been answered multiple times. Your not able to answer any question, pure trolling injection shill nonsense out of you yet again. The poster told you he knew people who had blood clots and you did your usual "frankly, I don't believe for a second that's a true story" basically calling him a liar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    I don't believe blood clots are a side effect of the mRNA vaccine like they were the adeno-vector vaccines, certainly not in any level above background levels, and as there is risk of blood clots from SARS-COV2 infection, avoiding a booster for that reason is pretty silly.

    Similarly, the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine is over 1000 times less for all categories bar young males, i.e. for every 1000+ people in that group that have sars-cov2 induced myocarditis, less than 1 will have myocarditis from the vaccine, in addition, the vaccine caused myocarditis is milder and more easily treated (+ those who have vaccine induced myocarditis will likely have more severe virus caused myocarditis as it's due to the immune system causing inflammation and the virus inflames it much more, so even at risk, the vaccine is much much more preferable).

    Only if you think the data is junk and there is a scientific conspiracy at play would there be an excuse not to get a vaccine (in which case, explain the conspiracy apply some critical thought rather than running away like drunkmonkey has for over 2 years).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    Where is the evidence to back up your belief in relation to Omicron?

    "I don't believe blood clots are a side effect of the mRNA vaccine like they were the adeno-vector vaccines, certainly not in any level above background levels, and as there is risk of blood clots from SARS-COV2 infection, avoiding a booster for that reason is pretty silly."

    I assume you have no evidence the same as King Mob, i've actually tried to help you folks out by finding some evidence to back up your assumptions but there doesn't seem to be any.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    It's been posted on the thread multiple times, I hesitate to post it again as you ran away each time previously only to reappear sheepishly later 🤣

    So, do placebos cause hospitalisation? Or are you an "I don't know" person like hometruths?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    I haven't seen any evidence posted that Omicron causes blood clots, post it again I must have missed it, Mr Get the jab so you won't catch Covid.

    1 hospitalisation in the placebo, 6 in the Vaccinated. What's the odds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    Are you an ostrich as well as a chicken? Any quick search throws up lots of studies about Omicron causing blood clots.

    Do conspiracy theorists lose their ability to use the internet along with their ability to answer any questions and read graphs?

    Did the placebo cause the hospitalisation?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,467 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    Show me your evidence that Omicron causes bloodclots, should be easy enough if you say there's loads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ patnor1011


    Our self-taught vaccine experts fail to grasp simple logic. Since "vaccine" does not prevent you from catching covid, then taking vaccine is pretty much doubling your chance to get blood clots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,479 ✭✭✭✭ odyssey06


    Nope. There is simple logic which is sound and there there is over simplification, which is what you have done.

    Where is your expert study that blood clot risk isnt correlated with severity of infection?

    We have abundant evidence on the enduring effectiveness of vaccines at preventing severe covid - and a shorter lived booster effect against infection.

    Our self taught vaccine 'experts' are echoing the studies of real experts.

    You have self taught yourself lies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    Do you want a let me google that for you link?

    IQ is already on the floor in here, try not dragging it lower drunkmonkey, do your own research so you don't have to answer with "I don't know" to all the hard questions or become pedantic man like hometruths does with everything.

    Talking about dragging the IQ lower, that's not the case, post vaccine, those infected have a much less chance of any issues when they catch the virus and any issues are milder than it would have been without the vaccine, so it's swapping out a higher chance of a severe issue with a very very low chance of a mild issue, including any risk from taking the vaccine (and again, the mRNA vaccines haven't been known to cause blood clots, Omicron has, this is a very weird tangent from the loony bunch).

    But I guess in conspiracy loons mind chance of everything = 1 and 1+1=3 as we all know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭ patnor1011


    Sure, muddying the waters sometimes work.


    Unvaccinated person do have a chance to get blood clots when infected with covid.

    Vaccinated person do have a chance to get blood clots when infected with covid and also do have a chance to get blood clots from vaccine which increase with every subsequent booster.

    Same go for heart attack. It is really that simple.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭ hometruths


    Backing up his claims with evidence? That's not really his style.



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