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Monaghan footballers reported to have trained together - RTÉ report.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Fred Daly


    The age of technology you think people would realise that it is very easy to catch somebody out gaa rivalry as strong as ever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Again the double standards of the GAA. Talking out both sides of the mouth.

    When they are restricted from training, and for example League of Ireland is allowed play, then its all about how they are Elite Athletes and how anyone can say they are not elite athletes and the League of Ireland guys are is a complete joke blah blah blah.....

    But when they break the rules, they are just a bunch of lads kicking a ball around a field sure whats the big deal.

    Hardly the GAA imposing double standards. They have acted quickly again and McEnaney is banned for 12 weeks. They acted decisively and on the day the news broke, same as Farrell, so there's no double standards here. https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2021/0408/1208525-gaa-to-investigate-alleged-monaghan-training-breach/

    GAA is huge, Croke Park can't be personally responsible for every person kicking a ball. They set the rules, when broken they punish them.

    Hope others learn a lesson from that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Fred Daly wrote: »
    The age of technology you think people would realise that it is very easy to catch somebody out gaa rivalry as strong as ever.

    This one came from the inside by all accounts. Training sessions were held in the manager's home club pitch. Will they be sanctioned too?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    KevRossi wrote: »
    Hardly the GAA imposing double standards. They have acted quickly again and McEnaney is banned for 12 weeks. They acted decisively and on the day the news broke, same as Farrell, so there's no double standards here. https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2021/0408/1208525-gaa-to-investigate-alleged-monaghan-training-breach/

    GAA is huge, Croke Park can't be personally responsible for every person kicking a ball. They set the rules, when broken they punish them.

    Hope others learn a lesson from that.

    Ah give us a break....they acted with punishments so severe that teams are quite happy to break the rules and take the hit. Phantom punishment.

    The real hit to these teams is on their reputations.

    A lot of people are very annoyed by this.

    And to an earlier post - am I outraged? No.

    Am I annoyed? Yes. The GAA has been treated very leniently compared to other sports through COVID, and despite that has taken the piss a lot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Effects


    cms88 wrote: »
    To be fair that has nothing to do with this

    He was up and down to Dublin regularly during lockdown, with other workers, carrying out work on his vacant properties. So I think both issues show he has little regard for laws or guidelines.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,026 ✭✭✭MFPM


    ShyMets wrote: »
    I was speaking in jest. But agree fully about people getting outraged

    Mea culpa :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Fred Daly


    Effects wrote: »
    He was up and down to Dublin regularly during lockdown, with other workers, carrying out work on his vacant properties. So I think both issues show he has little regard for laws or guidelines.

    Would that not be deemed as essential work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,093 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Imagine having to say the words "video of the training session was sent to the justice department" and not busting out laughing at how ridiculous this pissant little country has become.


  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Fred Daly


    This one came from the inside by all accounts. Training sessions were held in the manager's home club pitch. Will they be sanctioned too?

    Somebody did it to do as much damage as they could, people are so pied off they dont care.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    KevRossi wrote: »
    Hardly the GAA imposing double standards. They have acted quickly again and McEnaney is banned for 12 weeks. They acted decisively and on the day the news broke, same as Farrell, so there's no double standards here. https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2021/0408/1208525-gaa-to-investigate-alleged-monaghan-training-breach/

    GAA is huge, Croke Park can't be personally responsible for every person kicking a ball. They set the rules, when broken they punish them.

    Hope others learn a lesson from that.

    I dont have an issue with counties training. Especially when it was announced last week that something like 0.1% of all covid cases came from outdoor transmission but.....

    Probably worth pointing out that the GAA have not issued any kind of ban or punishment to the Monaghan or Dublin managers and players. Their respective county boards have banned them in the hope that will suffice and they have them back in time for championship games.

    The GAA will have to add their own ban/punishment on top of it or else the optics of this will look terrible for the association. And what's the point in having lads in croke park if counties can just decide their own punishment for themselves.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    The GAA will as per their set precedent impose a 12 week suspension. It may workout longer as the Monaghan CB have started the process early by imposing their own 12 week ban. The problem is the precedent was set in dealing with Cork and Down.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Well I've changed my tune on this.

    40 people at the session is absolutely ridiculous and drags the whole organisation into disrepute. The Dublin one was not near as bad.

    Absolute shower of idiots, throw the book at them. Fines, bans whatever else. How did they think they would get away with it.

    The response needs to be proportional and optics wise this is worse than Down, Dublin and Cork.


  • Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    Ya the Monaghan one is the worst so far by a long ways. The scale of it was utter stupidity


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    The GAA will as per their set precedent impose a 12 week suspension. It may workout longer as the Monaghan CB have started the process early by imposing their own 12 week ban. The problem is the precedent was set in dealing with Cork and Down.

    Exactly. That is why I cant understand the Dublin and Monaghan CB going early and banning the manager. The GAA will have to ban both also which means a potential 24 week ban if they're consistent and impose 12 weeks themselves on top of the county boards own punishment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    The GAA have ruled the suspension by county board null and void


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,202 ✭✭✭overshoot


    Why not go early? They can't do any group sessions right now, there's no games to go out and watch opposition. If they can get a week or 2 taken up in covid downtime they could have got it back in actual playing and training time later. It was a smart move into and worth a shot by the CBs. The GAAs ban is seperate to the CBs so can't run concurrently.

    AFAIK on the length of ban a few posts ago, I think it fell under a specific heading which made it 8-12weeks as a min/max


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    benji79 wrote: »
    The GAA have ruled the suspension by county board null and void

    That makes the most sense. Cant have county boards dictating their own punishment tbf


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Tombo2001 wrote: »

    The GAA has been treated very leniently compared to other sports through COVID,


    Sorry, just wondering what your argument on this is?


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 Liaison


    In this case I dont think banty was organising the training sessions. The players were behind this . There is no love for banty in monaghan Donal Buckley was at the training session? Will he be punished?
    It will blow over in a week.

    In relation to corks soft punishment..Michael Martin's son was at the training session.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    dobman88 wrote: »
    Exactly. That is why I cant understand the Dublin and Monaghan CB going early and banning the manager. The GAA will have to ban both also which means a potential 24 week ban if they're consistent and impose 12 weeks themselves on top of the county boards own punishment.

    I think it is just the county wanting to appear to be proactive. If they did nothing they’d be accused of arrogance. There’s no winning with some people, as you know well.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭celt262


    Liaison wrote: »
    In this case I dont think banty was organising the training sessions. The players were behind this . There is no love for banty in monaghan and I wonder was this planned by the county board to get rid of him? Donal Buckley was at the training session? Will he be punished?
    It will blow over in a week.

    In relation to corks soft punishment..Michael Martin's son was at the training session.

    He should be if he was outside his 5km.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Rosita


    celt262 wrote: »
    He should be if he was outside his 5km.

    Just wondering why you think being "outside his 5km" is the issue and not having an organised training session? Surely both are in breach of restrictions?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭rrs


    Both Dublin and Monaghan will likely lose any home fixtures in the League. The club's where the training took place will likely Face fines or something stronger.
    It was Bantys own club Corduff so all seems appropriate for him inside the 5k.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    rrs wrote: »
    Both Dublin and Monaghan will likely lose any home fixtures in the League. The club's where the training took place will likely Face fines or something stronger.
    It was Bantys own club Corduff so all seems appropriate for him inside the 5k.

    :pac: the clubs fined because the county team held a training session. Would you stop. Of all the hyperbole I've read over the last week or so, that's right up there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭rrs


    Good for you. It was reported on off the ball, that clubs will likely Face sanctions too for having an organised training take place

    Hardly hyperbole.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    rrs wrote: »
    Good for you. It was reported on off the ball, that clubs will likely Face sanctions too for having an organised training take place

    Hardly hyperbole.

    Clubs where the club has been caught training, yes. As is the case of the club in cork. The clubs wont be fined for having county training at their facilities. Wouldn't make any sense. The county gets punished for that, not the club.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭rrs


    And why wouldn't it make sense.? The club could just close the grounds and say it's against the guidelines to have training.
    Or maybe you think they weren't aware 25 player's and management were on the local pitch? Sure..


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    rrs wrote: »
    And why wouldn't it make sense.? The club could just close the grounds and say it's against the guidelines to have training.
    Or maybe you think they weren't aware 25 player's and management were on the local pitch? Sure..

    When a county trains at the facilities, the club wouldn't have much of a say. County board decision. Of course it makes no sense to punish a club for a decision they're not making.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭rrs


    Except this is during lockdown..Not a standard county training at a Club pitch. And the Monaghan chairman said her wasn't even aware of the training takin place,so how could he organise it? Obvious he knew but that argument doesn't stack up

    Bantu the chancer obviously organised in his home pitch


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    rrs wrote: »
    Except this is during lockdown..Not a standard county training at a Club pitch. And the Monaghan chairman said her wasn't even aware of the training takin place,so how could he organise it? Obvious he knew but that argument doesn't stack up

    Bantu the chancer obviously organised in his home pitch

    I still dont see why you want clubs "fined or something stronger". It still doesn't make sense to me to punish a club for a county breach so I'll have to leave you to it. No point going round in circles.


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