Death of Anne O Sullivan

Gael23

The mother of the family lost in the Kanturk murder suicode a few months ago has died.

RIP Mrs O Sullivan I hope you finally have peace now free from suffering. A cross too much to bear

Woman who lost sons and husband in Kanturk murder suicide passes away

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Gael23 wrote: »

The mother of the family lost in the Kanturk murder suicode a few months ago has died.

RIP Mrs O Sullivan I hope you finally have peace now free from suffering. A cross too much to bear

Woman who lost sons and husband in Kanturk murder suicide passes away

May Anne rest in peace. What a cross to bear indeed.

shtpEdthePlum

RiP Anne.

biko

RIP.

RIP.

I can't even comprehend the torment of that poor woman's last few months.

Gregor Samsa

RIP Anne.

An absolutely heartbreaking story from beginning to end.

BingCrosbee

It’s very sad and the saddest aspect of it all is that created the whole scenario. Classic Irish horror story. My father had a similar situation with land and fair play to him he walked away from it and started from scratch and reared us on limited resources. The farm is sold now and it’s all history and all it created was misery.

TheValeyard

RIP

Could not imagine the grief that lady went through. Absolutely horrific.

Danzy

A happy day for her. God be good to her.

Lollipops23

I hope she knew some level of peace in her final days. Can't begin to imagine her pain in recent months.

OscarMIlde

The Irish Times had a good write of it here. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/how-dispute-over-a-will-led-to-a-cork-murder-and-two-suicides-1.4533198

The father and son who carried out the act sound like such a horrific, self-centred pair. All that over money, when their mother/wife was dying of cancer.

ILoveYourVibes

RIP

RIP

Gael23

That article tells a bit of a different story.
Nonetheless aon awful situation.

Oranage2

First time reading what actually happened, truly sickening. Wills seem to always tear families apart.

Was there another case about a murder suicide on a farm?

namloc1980

Horrendous. All 4 of the family are now dead and for what?

Ckendrick

Greed avarice and jealousy are attributes endemic amongst the Irish at the moment.
There will be more of this in the near future. RIP Mrs O’Sullivan.

freshpopcorn

Oranage2 wrote: »

First time reading what actually happened, truly sickening. Wills seem to always tear families apart.

Was there another case about a murder suicide on a farm?

There was another case and being from the area I don’t think it was the farm/land that caused it.

Stihl waters

namloc1980 wrote: »

Horrendous. All 4 of the family are now dead and for what?

For land, the bit we will all need at the end of the day will have to do us, seen it time and again how land and money can tear families apart

Gael23

Farmers just believe so strongly in succession , that the eldest son is the one to inherit. Appears to have been the root of this.

Now it’s going to be sold outside the family instead of just splitting it 50/50

leeside11

freshpopcorn wrote: »

There was another case and being from the area I don’t think it was the farm/land that caused it.

Not only wills, my parents were gifted land when they got married, the vitriol and abuse from one my uncles could have turned in something similar.
Destroyed my mother's health and the irony was we had to help him when his health detriorated.

Leg End Reject

Gael23 wrote: »

Farmers just believe so strongly in succession , that the eldest son is the one to inherit. Appears to have been the root of this.

Now it’s going to be sold outside the family instead of just splitting it 50/50

According to The Irish Times neither the husband, nor the 2 sons, ever worked on the farm, it was leased out for tillage.

Money and greed led to 2 men killing another man and then committing suicide themselves.

A senseless loss of 3 lives while a wife and mother was terminally ill.

yerwanthere123

I still find this case so difficult to comprehend. How does a father shoot dead his own son? How does a brother shoot dead his own brother? How do a father and son convince each other to commit suicide? How does anyone treat a terminally ill family member so wickedly? How did some sense of sanity not prevail somewhere along the way? There was obviously a huge deal of planning involved. So many questions that will never be answered, it's just so difficult to make sense of. I hope Anne and Mark rest in peace.

MrMusician18

Gael23 wrote: »

Farmers just believe so strongly in succession , that the eldest son is the one to inherit. Appears to have been the root of this.

Now it’s going to be sold outside the family instead of just splitting it 50/50

Looks more like years of festering resentment, hatred and bitterness was the root cause rather than the traditional succession fight

ShagNastii

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

I still find this case so difficult to comprehend. How does a father shoot dead his own son? How does a brother shoot dead his own brother? How do a father and son convince each other to commit suicide? How does anyone treat a terminally ill family member so wickedly? How did some sense of sanity not prevail somewhere along the way? There was obviously a huge deal of planning involved. So many questions that will never be answered, it's just so difficult to make sense of. I hope Anne and Mark rest in peace.

I often think about suicides in this way. Especially when stuff is so clinically planned. Your head must just go.

Surely there is even a minute where you take a step back and ask “What the F am I going?!!!”.

Such a sad case.

lab man

Gael23 wrote: »

Farmers just believe so strongly in succession , that the eldest son is the one to inherit. Appears to have been the root of this.

Now it’s going to be sold outside the family instead of just splitting it 50/50

Ppl mightnt buy it twill bring bad luck with it that's fir certain

Jequ0n

Most Irish thread ever with all the RIPs

Sorolla

Very tragic and RIP to all.

It appears there was a mother who doted on her son

It appears the father wanted to make sure the other son was not disadvantaged in any inheritance

The mom was terminally ill - favorite son would have inherited all

C‘est la problem

Tragic

tayto lover

Two sons.
Probably a mistake to favour one imo.

Effects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116847490#Comment_116847490

Going by the inquest, the son who murdered his brother seemed to want to get everything. And he clearly wasn't going to be happy any other way.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/kanturk-inquest-son-who-was-shot-dead-by-father-and-brother-feared-for-his-life-in2mdispute-over-land-40720467.html

Muahahaha

He was threatening to commit suicide if his mother didnt sign the farm over to him.

Whats harrowng about that inquest yesterday is it was revealed that the son who was murdered by his father and brother had spoken about his fears of them killing him to a friend in the weeks leading up to it. Really awful stuff and all over some land. The father and son put the mother Anne through terror over the whole affair.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117710810#Comment_117710810

Likely egged on by daddy who likely only married her to get his hands on her farm

Bob Harris

The woman's illness was a blessing not to have had to live with the trauma of what happened.

Yurt2

A story too dark for words. Hope the woman is at peace now.

dublinman1990

This story has a lot of tragedy & heartbreak associated with it. When everyone tried to compete against one another to make themselves get some form of happiness from this situation; things with one of the other family members involved in this case can apparently go very wrong, in their own heads, it can cause complete chaos within a split second. This lady had to be there dealing with all of that trauma while she had to live with the pain of coping with her illness. She had no choice but to contend living with that bleak situation for a very long time until she had spent her final moments with us on god's green earth while the husband & two sons went before her. It's a story that doesn't leave us with any winners now that they have gone before us. They all lose out in a huge way either with bad intentions in mind or through no fault of their own.

I don't know how other families who live here can contend to go even through that level of trauma when it's known to be ultimately preventable for their own sake. If you truly loved your family in the most honest way possible. You should never ever contemplate doing a murder suicide upon yourself or your own loved ones. Families should be there to help each other out when it is right & ethical to do it to keep them happy.

I hope Anne is at peace.

retalivity

Desperately tragic stuff...all over land and who gets what. Here we are a year later with all 4 dead and the land going to no-one.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117711751#Comment_117711751

Shocking story & awful for that poor mother in her last months. Presumably the mothers relatives will inherit if they would even want it & the constant reminder of what happened.

Rip to all four members of the family.

baldbear

This story really upset me. I can't comprehend the evil actions of that father and son.

The thing I Don't understand is after Mrs O'Sullivan's cousin went to the gardai to report the tensions why didn't they taken the guns?

And the son even told a neighbor in a few weeks it would all be over and a trail of carnage would follow. Evil talk.

They made a fatal mistake of going back to the house. I hope there is a hell and those two are in it been tormented.

Muahahaha

On the guns the neighbour and cousin of the victims went to the Gardai but didnt mention there was guns in the house

"Ms Sherlock, a cousin of Anne, went to gardaí to make them aware of the tensions within the O’Sullivan home, but she did not know there were firearms in the property.

Anne did not subsequently go to gardaí seeking a protection or barring order.She did not express concerns that there were firearms in her home, in a gun safe to which her husband had the key"

The Gardai were not told of the guns but I presume they could have checked if there were any in the house, they are pretty common in a farming household

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117711958#Comment_117711958

They'd be aware of any licences. They might not have bothered their arses checking, but they'd have access to that info

Muahahaha

Yeah thats what I thought. They have the power to confiscate guns immediately if there is any suspicion of a threat to life. With it being a farmer who a likely to have a gun they should have checked the licensing system as a default. That didnt seem to happen.

Jequ0n

You cannot protect people who do not seek protection.

Not condoning the killings but nobody in the family acted in a reasonable way.

JP Liz V1

What happened the home, farm and land now?

Awful tragedy

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117712066#Comment_117712066

And his farm as well which would automatically go to her on his death.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117712066#Comment_117712066

I'm sure some relative will pop up with a claim they were promised the land in someones will ,

I think land Like that should be left to the wild , can't ever imagine anyone else/family willing to buy it considering the horrific end to the previous family who lived there,

I know I wouldn't even want to set foot on the land

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116847967#Comment_116847967

Huh? The evil scumbag was the one who wanted favouritism. If anything if they'd "favoured" one then the evil fuckers would be happily looking out on all the land right now.

Some sad fuckers in this country when it comes to land. I suppose if someone plans their entire life around depending on a future inheritance it says a lot about them. Lack of fairness is one thing but at the end of the day being the bigger man/woman, making your own life and being able to walk away if a sibling is such a piece of **** to start hassle over something they feel they're more entitled to is something that everyone should have in them before they're even adults.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117712701#Comment_117712701

tbh from the limited information available it sounds like both parents had a favourite, though this could be an after death glorification.

it's a recipe for disaster and destroys any "normal" sibling relationship you'd expect.

This story has really really saddened me. The poor woman was extremely fair in how she wanted to divide up the land.

I think the father's words that he never loved her and only married her for the land paints a very telling picture of what happened here. He was mad to get the land and quickly. One brother probably took to this notion whilst the other brother seemed rightly aghast that the other brother wanted to turn the mother's treatment machine off during the night amongst other things that were said. I think the compassion and concern that Mark showed towards his sick mother may have been his downfall. Whilst he was bringing her to hospital visits the other two were winding themselves up in the house about the land.

The cruelty of such words to a terminally ill woman who should have spent her final month's in the warmth, comfort and love of her family instead of the horror that transpired.

Driven mad by greed. Absolutely shameful.

crooked cockney villain

What level of a miserable bastard do you have to be to be a man in your early 20's, about to be gifted one million quid worth of property, and be like "a poxy million, I'll get two million or die trying"

For point of reference, I just checked Daft there, and three bed homes in the Kanturk area start at 100,000 euro.

This man needed 20 times more money than he needed to buy a permanent place to live.

Unbelieveable.

Donald Trump

The story said that the younger fella was going to get the father's land. So he would have had that in addition to whatever he got from the mother. I didn't see anything regarding whether that was comparable in terms of value. Not that it really makes any difference, but if the younger fella was going to get 100% of another big chunk, he was even greedier trying to get his hands on the mother's place and deny his brother that too

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117716614#Comment_117716614

There clearly wasn't a full deck upstairs for either the father or the son. How in the jaysus do two men agree to a murder suicide pact because the son is only getting a poxy million, rather than two million? Most men in their early 20's wouldn't believe their good luck if they inherited 10 grand.

There was reference that the father and younger son regarded the murdered one as "lazy". The lad was a trainee solicitor- it doesn't really reflect a man who rises at midday while sitting on the couch smoking a j watching Judge Judy all afternoon.