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Irish journalist leaves China after rise in surveillance, lovely government

  • 31-03-2021 1:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ Captcha


    "Irish journalist Yvonne Murray, who reports for RTÉ News and Current Affairs from China, has been forced to leave the country because of mounting pressure from the Chinese authorities."

    What is this Chinese unelected police state, extreme unfair trade practicing, warmongering, human rights destroying government so afraid of?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0331/1207197-yvonne-murray-bbc-john-sudworth-china/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,442 ✭✭✭✭ whisky_galore


    Maybe they didn't pay their tv licence?


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ Captcha


    Maybe they didn't pay their tv licence?

    Yes but instead of a fine, you get 20 years of forced labour, followed by forced organ donation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭ Housefree


    The UK have an award winning journalist locked up for telling the truth who will probably end up rotting away in a US prison, hopefully not the Guantanamo Bay torture center. Freedom of the press died in the west when they went after Julian Assange


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ Captcha


    Housefree wrote: »
    The UK have an award winning journalist locked up for telling the truth who will probably end up rotting away in a US prison, hopefully not the Guantanamo Bay torture center. Freedom of the press died in the west when they went after Julian Assange

    How did you get out from behind the great firewall?

    The usual response about anything negative related to CHina, but but but the USA .... blah blah...

    Whatabout, whatabout, whataboutism?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭ WrenBoy


    The Chinese Communist Party aren't respecting the free press and information sharing !? Holy Cow , hold the presses !!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭ joseywhales


    This is what you get for saving them from the mass murdering japanese empire. They have selective memory.


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭ fiveleavesleft


    This is what you get for saving them from the mass murdering japanese empire. They have selective memory.

    What a man Dev was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,442 ✭✭✭✭ whisky_galore


    Captcha wrote: »
    Yes but instead of a fine, you get 20 years of forced labour, followed by forced organ donation.

    Let's send an Irish delegation to sort them out, they'll shiver in their boots at the thought.

    Irish journo "nearly" imprisoned.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,655 ✭✭✭✭ Timberrrrrrrr


    Captcha wrote: »
    "Irish journalist Yvonne Murray, who reports for RTÉ News and Current Affairs from China, has been forced to leave the country because of mounting pressure from the Chinese authorities."

    What is this Chinese unelected police state, extreme unfair trade practicing, warmongering, human rights destroying government so afraid of?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0331/1207197-yvonne-murray-bbc-john-sudworth-china/

    Do you believe journalists should be allowed to say what they want? I'm not saying the Chinese government treatment of this woman or her husband is right but why are you outraged at this? Why no other country?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,029 ✭✭✭ Hande hoche!


    This is what you get for saving them from the mass murdering japanese empire. They have selective memory.

    The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere sounds more impressive than the Belt and Road Initiative.


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    There are consequences after free speech.


  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭ caoty


    BBC "Journalist", John Sudworth, inventor of the "hell filter"

    https://qr.ae/pGKCIh


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭ political analyst


    caoty wrote: »
    BBC "Journalist", John Sudworth, inventor of the "hell filter"

    https://qr.ae/pGKCIh

    Typical Chinese communist propaganda.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,043 ✭✭✭ blindjustice




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    We'll they're going to be the global hegemony soon enough so you better play nice


  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭ caoty


    Is The BBC Biased Broadcasting Company? Is John Sudworth A Hero Or A Coward?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCxbvWyB1Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khxQLI3aesM&t=3s

    There are over 20,000 mosques in Xinjiang, a province of China, alone, which is over ten times of the number of mosques in all of the US. That gives a mosque per capita of about 500 per Muslim in Xinjiang which is higher than many Muslim countries in the world.

    Genocide? or genocide of some people's IQ really?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭ riclad


    The Chinese are building a massive surveillance system
    using the Internet video surveillance apps on phones . Just because there's mosques in China does not mean there's freedom to protest or to report on human rights issues
    All tech company's have to hand over data to the police and give acess to messaging apps
    All company's in China have some government reps working there or Chinese partners
    China is 1984 plus hi tech 24 7 surveillance
    Workers work 10 or more hours per day there's no independent unions
    We see in Hong Kong they passed laws to clamp down on free speech or any form of protest
    People have limited freedom eg go to work consume shop there's no free press the Internet is heavily censored
    Eg they removed Lady gaga from the friends reunion in China because she is friends with the dali lama
    Even mild criticism of any government official is blocked or censored
    Even the Palestinians in Gaza have more freedom than
    the average Chinese citizen
    They can use social media or talk to reporters


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭ Beta Ray Bill


    riclad wrote: »
    The Chinese are building a massive surveillance system
    using the Internet video surveillance apps on phones . Just because there's mosques in China does not mean there's freedom to protest or to report on human rights issues
    All tech company's have to hand over data to the police and give acess to messaging apps
    All company's in China have some government reps working there or Chinese partners
    China is 1984 plus hi tech 24 7 surveillance
    Workers work 10 or more hours per day there's no independent unions
    We see in Hong Kong they passed laws to clamp down on free speech or any form of protest
    People have limited freedom eg go to work consume shop there's no free press the Internet is heavily censored
    Eg they removed Lady gaga from the friends reunion in China because she is friends with the dali lama
    Even mild criticism of any government official is blocked or censored
    Even the Palestinians in Gaza have more freedom than
    the average Chinese citizen
    They can use social media or talk to reporters

    I'd say something "will be done about China" in the not to distant future.
    But you are correct on the surveillance, Huawei doesn't work for the Chinese government, Huawei IS the Chinese government and Huawei run nearly every 5G phone network in the world, and they routinely listen in on calls.
    5G controlling your brain rhetoric was initially distributed by China with the intention that it would end up that anybody that's against 5G is a looper (Which is exactly what's happened)
    But clearly there is a security problem there, as the US nearly pulled the plug on the RAF F-35 program over Huawei 5G.

    It's important to note though, that for the moment, the US and EU are tolerating China, as China is the worlds factory.
    The US could shut China down both militaristically, technologically and economically in days if it wanted to, but for the moment that doesn't suit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,256 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    Just look at the John Cena apology for calling Taiwan a country


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭ WrenBoy


    Gatling wrote: »
    Just look at the John Cena apology for calling Taiwan a country

    That was hilariously pathetic


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭ fvp4


    Captcha wrote: »
    "Irish journalist Yvonne Murray, who reports for RTÉ News and Current Affairs from China, has been forced to leave the country because of mounting pressure from the Chinese authorities."

    What is this Chinese unelected police state, extreme unfair trade practicing, warmongering, human rights destroying government so afraid of?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0331/1207197-yvonne-murray-bbc-john-sudworth-china/

    What wars have the Chinese mongered lately? I'd take the west more seriously on Journalism if Assange could get a break.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭ fvp4


    The US could shut China down both militaristically, technologically and economically in days if it wanted to, but for the moment that doesn't suit.

    Days?

    I doubt it. Shutting down China economically would shut down the US economically given the outsourcing, no idea what you mean by technologically as China is a peer pretty much, with some exceptions, and military wise China can't be invaded. Only nukes win that war, and then it would be a bed of roses for the US.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭ Beta Ray Bill


    fvp4 wrote: »
    What wars have the Chinese mongered lately? I'd take the west more seriously on Journalism if Assange could get a break.

    They are literally building islands in the South China sea and claiming the EEC up to the shores of all other countries.
    The SCS is a major security issue for China, and in order for it to be super power (which it wants to be) it must fully control it - that means taking Taiwan.

    They have been unable to monger wars because up until now, they have not been let.
    Militaristically speaking, they have no power projection (but this is changing)
    fvp4 wrote: »
    Days?

    I doubt it. Shutting down China economically would shut down the US economically given the outsourcing, no idea what you mean by technologically as China is a peer pretty much, with some exceptions, and military wise China can't be invaded. Only nukes win that war, and then it would be a bed of roses for the US.

    Yep, Days

    China is unable to feed its population.
    The export a huge amount of products but import a huge amount of food, and rely heavily on the sea for food.
    China has no Blue Water Navy (this is changing), A blockade of food from the SCS by the US would literally starve them out. This is why China wants to control the SCS. US policy towards China has always been containment.

    So bad is the food situation in China that during the great famine in the early 60's, the Chinese government declared wild animals such as bats, rats, etc as a natural resource and could be legitimately farmed, slaughtered and sold. (This is still happening today)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭ fvp4


    They are literally building islands in the South China sea and claiming the EEC up to the shores of all other countries.
    The SCS is a major security issue for China, and in order for it to be super power (which it wants to be) it must fully control it - that means taking Taiwan.

    I'd say the South China Sea is close to China, all the same.

    Not sure why you care, as you aren't American. Americans want to maintain their empire.

    A yank complaining about China being aggressive in the South China Sea is like a 19C Colonel Blimp in the UK 19C complaining about China's aggressiveness in the Boxer rebellion. The assumption is that the UK or the US had every right to be there, but the Chinese had no business defending themselves.

    The US has no business there, or any where outside it's own seas. And Europe needs to get out of the shadow of the US, and do business with China, as many countries are already.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭ Beta Ray Bill


    fvp4 wrote: »
    I'd say the South China Sea is close to China, all the same.

    Not sure why you care, as you aren't American. Americans want to maintain their empire.

    A yank complaining about China being aggressive in the South China Sea is like a 19C Colonel Blimp in the UK 19C complaining about China's aggressiveness in the Boxer rebellion. The assumption is that the UK or the US had every right to be there, but the Chinese had no business defending themselves.

    The US has no business there, or any where outside it's own seas. And Europe needs to get out of the shadow of the US, and do business with China, as many countries are already.

    I get what you're saying, but it better the Devil you know and all that.

    China is a mix of Fascism and Communism, but more leaning towards Fascism. (IE a very small group of people hold all the power)
    A lot of people in Europe died fighting Fascism. Fascism is bad, like Communism, it needs to expand in order to survive (IE it wont stop expanding). Hence the policy of containment.

    Here's a map of whos claiming what in the south China Sea
    vxw4v6ze7ef21.jpg

    As you can see, China is claiming ALOT, so is Vietnam


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,256 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    I get what you're saying, but it better the Devil you know and all that.

    China is a mix of Fascism and Communism, but more leaning towards Fascism. (IE a very small group of people hold all the power)
    A lot of people in Europe died fighting Fascism. Fascism is bad, like Communism, it needs to expand in order to survive (IE it wont stop expanding). Hence the policy of containment.

    Here's a map of whos claiming what in the south China Sea
    vxw4v6ze7ef21.jpg

    As you can see, China is claiming ALOT, so is Vietnam

    They already have a Fortified man made island that they could use to launch military actions against anyone they don't want having access to the south China sea , the Chinese coast guard has been heavily armed and patrol with Chinese fishing vessels to force others countries fishing vessels out of their own fishing grounds


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,470 ✭✭✭✭ Galwayguy35


    Murray is still tweeting about China to her 919 followers, doubt Xi Jinping is losing much sleep over her though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭ Marcos



    China is unable to feed its population.
    The export a huge amount of products but import a huge amount of food, and rely heavily on the sea for food.
    China has no Blue Water Navy (this is changing), A blockade of food from the SCS by the US would literally starve them out. This is why China wants to control the SCS. US policy towards China has always been containment.
    The area in the South China Sea under Chinese claims is estimated to have about 10% of the worlds fish and seafood. China is using the belt and road strategy as a means of ensuring they are not contained. Also with the border disputes with India in the Himalayas so they build roads to get to warm water ports in Pakistan.

    So bad is the food situation in China that during the great famine in the early 60's, the Chinese government declared wild animals such as bats, rats, etc as a natural resource and could be legitimately farmed, slaughtered and sold. (This is still happening today)
    Yes, we still have folk memories and effects of the famine here. The Chinese one was in the early 60's like you said, so people are still alive with memories of that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,759 ✭✭✭✭ klaz


    China is unable to feed its population.
    The export a huge amount of products but import a huge amount of food, and rely heavily on the sea for food.

    Which is why they have massive trade agreements with Russia, and other neighbors for the importation of food, and also the leasing of land in other countries for the production of that food. All of which comes by land... and so, difficult for the US to interfere with. They've also been investing heavily in growing tech to bypass the problems they've had with pollution destroying arable land. They're not unaware of the weaknesses in their economy/logistics.

    Luxury living and a residue of the famine thinking. With regards to food. Most Chinese could return to eating a few bowls of rice/noodles each day if they really needed to. Right now, they don't need to.

    The one thing you're ignoring though is that even should a blockade occur, and they run out of food (which I doubt), the government won't care, and neither will the majority of Chinese people, because it would only affect a few provinces. As long as it doesn't affect everyone, it will be passed off as grounds for further hatred of the US, and western powers.

    Nah. If the US wanted to shut them down, they'd hit the electricity production, and distribution grids. Many of the grids are extremely vulnerable, and China relies on huge amounts of coal/oil from other nations, most of which is transported by sea. A large percentage of their transportation network (trains/buses/trucks) are almost entirely electric, so, the US could seriously hurt their industrial capacity that way.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle 



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,759 ✭✭✭✭ klaz


    I get what you're saying, but it better the Devil you know and all that.

    China is a mix of Fascism and Communism, but more leaning towards Fascism. (IE a very small group of people hold all the power)
    A lot of people in Europe died fighting Fascism. Fascism is bad, like Communism, it needs to expand in order to survive (IE it wont stop expanding). Hence the policy of containment.

    You could just stick with communism.. no need to include fascism.. since communism ticks all of those boxes all by itself. Although, China is simply an Authoritarian state, with sprinkles of Maoism/Communism, and a very strong capitalist oligarchy backbone.

    As for Europe, "People" weren't fighting fascism, except for the communists. People were fighting the territorial expansion of the Axis, otherwise Germany would have been stopped after Austria or Czechoslovakia. Let's leave out the propaganda.

    Modern China is not spreading any kind of ideology, and will be stopped because they're a threat to Western (US) influence in Asia, and the territorial expansion that will eventually come.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle 



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