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France vs Wales match thread, Sat 20th March 8pm

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,804 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Is that not what a captain meant to do

    It’s not what they should be allowed to do... second or third time if I’m a referee... “ it’s my belief you are coming over to me again with the intention of attempting to influence and impact the manner of which I’m refereeing this game. if I need to talk to YOU, I’ll call you, otherwise, stay out of it.”

    Captain can ask for clarification on decisions, can’t try to influence their performance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    razorblunt wrote: »
    That’s what they did? France ran it back from pretty much their own 5m line. Then knocked it on at halfway.

    but they didn't it was well short of the 22


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭almostover


    razorblunt wrote: »
    That’s what they did? France ran it back from pretty much their own 5m line. Then knocked it on at halfway.

    Wales then sealed off, when every French player was shouting for it and stated hanging out of rucks.

    Drives a lot of fans crazy when a 9 box kicks it away when a team has a slender lead with time ticking down. The reason why is that referees scrutinise the breakdown very closely for going off feet. Wales went off their feet in the ruck preceeding the one they were penalised for. The refs will be very pernickety when a team tries to wind down the clock like that. Often times its better to move 30m down the pitch and let the opposition try to score from deep inside their own half.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    The France game im France was a great game between two solid teams that didn't involve any luck at all, so weird take all round.

    Was it a great game? I dont remember it as such. Brilliant finish for sure!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭showpony1


    Loved that performance from Luke & Barnsey.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 92 ✭✭Wearing of The Green


    Ireland beat Wales by 10 points in 2018 and an intercept isnt a lucky thing. The France game im France was a great game between two solid teams that didn't involve any luck at all, so weird take all round.

    Wales were pressing hard the match was 50/50. An intercept is both skill and luck.

    Stringing 40 odd phases together and getting the perfect drop, in the last play is skill and luck. Sexton's Crossfield kick etc. There's a huge amount of luck in crossfield kicking. It's a gamble plain and simple. I think if tried to play that whole sequence again 19/20 something would breakdown. Skill and luck. God knows we've had enough bad luck through the years.

    When someone disagrees with you calling their opinion 'weired' is bad mannered.

    Most great wins in any sport involve a slice of luck.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 92 ✭✭Wearing of The Green


    Was it a great game? I dont remember it as such. Brilliant finish for sure!

    Exactly. It was far from a great game. A scrappy enough first round encounter.

    We played our best rugby in Twickenham that year. A game for the ages like NZ v Ireland in 2018.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Delighted with that! Wales **** the bed. France looked ragged all match and still managed to pull it off. Edward's will be furious with the French defense. Great entertainment.
    I am glad that plonker Williams cost Wales the slam. He's a feckin tinker.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    kilns wrote: »
    Wales are either heros or zeros. If POM didn't have his moment of madness we would have beaten them quite easy actually and most likely Scotland would have beaten them too and they would be heading to Italy in crisis but instead they got a bit of luck and took full advantage.

    Still an average team though where they have no certs to make a lions 15

    Purely hypothetical that Ireland would have beaten Wales with POM on the pitch. Same with Scotland against Wales. No one knows for sure. Life is full of what ifs. What if Liam Williams had not been stupid and got yellow carded? No one can say what would have happened. What if French forward hadn't been stupid and got himself sent off?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    fryup wrote: »
    but they didn't it was well short of the 22

    Ollivon caught the restart halfway in his 22, taking it up to just short of the 22.
    When Ntamack caught the ball on a counter attack he was 6m from his own line.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Purely hypothetical that Ireland would have beaten Wales with POM on the pitch. Same with Scotland against Wales. No one knows for sure. Life is full of what ifs. What if Liam Williams had not been stupid and got yellow carded? No one can say what would have happened. What if French forward hadn't been stupid and got himself sent off?

    I would be very very confident that we would have beaten Wales but for the sending off we were the much better team on the day but the extra man for such a long time took its toll especially with the Zammot try which was Ireland stretched to the max defensively


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    YouTube is great for video playback.
    Have a look again at Wales 3rd try at 0.25 speed. 2:00 into this video.
    The French hand was around the ball the whole time. Held up, no try.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    3 red cards and more than a couple of dodgy at best try calls. The most undeserved grand slam of all time thankfully doesn’t happen. No issues with wales for the most part and it’s not their fault refs have made poor calls in their favour and teams discipline has been poor. But it would diminish the achievement of a grand slam for me if they’d win it this way.
    I actually think it’s very impressive how their club game is a shambles yet pull together year in year out. They seem to either come fifth or challenge for honours. Get more of those lads back playing in wales and the pro14 will be all the better for it.

    France certainly not hit the heights that the hype has suggested but the scary thing is their age and never say die attitude so unusual for recent French teams. They were poor defensively but wales were very good ball in hand.

    It is somewhat ironic that the discipline of other teams nearly handed wales a grand slam. Yet in the end their own cynical play and discipline snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke in Liam Williams


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    flazio wrote: »
    YouTube is great for video playback.
    Have a look again at Wales 3rd try at 0.25 speed. 2:00 into this video.
    The French hand was around the ball the whole time. Held up, no try.

    I couldn't believe they awarded that. I know it's all about the phrasing of the question to the TMO, but that was on Barnes - should have overturned it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    I couldn't believe they awarded that. I know it's all about the phrasing of the question to the TMO, but that was on Barnes - should have overturned it.
    Has to have touched grass there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,124 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Has to have touched grass there.



    547632.jpg

    Watch the build up. Brian Moore pointed out an offside. The Welsh scrum half was ahead of tipuric and has to stop or retreat. He doesn't and he eventually puts Adams in for the score


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,176 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I couldn't believe they awarded that. I know it's all about the phrasing of the question to the TMO, but that was on Barnes - should have overturned it.

    But, as you acknowledge, it's based on the question. The TMO has a remit. Barnes couldn't overturn it as he wasn't asked to look at the grounding. Barnes even clarified what he was being asked as he knew it was an issue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Barnes was actively trying to warn Pearce that the ball was held up without actually coming out and saying it straight, because that's not what he was asked. Pearce painted him into a corner there, nothing Barnes could do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Barnes was actively trying to warn Pearce that the ball was held up without actually coming out and saying it straight, because that's not what he was asked. Pearce painted him into a corner there, nothing Barnes could do.
    I don't think that's correct. Joy Neville did exactly that a week ago,


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Barnes was actively trying to warn Pearce that the ball was held up without actually coming out and saying it straight, because that's not what he was asked. Pearce painted him into a corner there, nothing Barnes could do.

    He could have called a knock-on by Adams, whose hand is not on the ball there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    I'm struggling to understand how some here feel that the loss of extra points from a conversion might cost France the title!

    The clock was in the red, the game was secured with a B.P. and the only way to fcuk that up would be a rebound of the upright that would give Wales a last go at winning the game.

    The kicker made sure that ball went dead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    I'm struggling to understand how some here feel that the loss of extra points from a conversion might cost France the title!

    The clock was in the red, the game was secured with a B.P. and the only way to fcuk that up would be a rebound of the upright that would give Wales a last go at winning the game.

    The kicker made sure that ball went dead.

    The game can't restart from a missed conversion that is blocked, is short or comes off the post. It's a risk-free attempt at two points.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    I'm struggling to understand how some here feel that the loss of extra points from a conversion might cost France the title!

    The clock was in the red, the game was secured with a B.P. and the only way to fcuk that up would be a rebound of the upright that would give Wales a last go at winning the game.

    The kicker made sure that ball went dead.

    You can play on from a rebound of a conversion?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    I'm struggling to understand how some here feel that the loss of extra points from a conversion might cost France the title!

    The clock was in the red, the game was secured with a B.P. and the only way to fcuk that up would be a rebound of the upright that would give Wales a last go at winning the game.

    The kicker made sure that ball went dead.

    France need to beat Scotland by 21 points not 19 points, having missed the conversion. And score 4 tries.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    The game can't restart from a missed conversion that is blocked, is short or comes off the post. It's a risk-free kick.

    I stand corrected! I've mixed up a penalty kick (rebound) with a con. My mistake.

    Some of the new rules about/ around the "dead ball" when the clock ticks over , must have puddled my brain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Richie_Rich89


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I don't think that's correct. Joy Neville did exactly that a week ago,

    Barnes did his job correctly - unlike Neville, I would argue. I couldn't see a grounding from Wales, but without conclusive proof that disproves it, Barnes's hands are tied.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Barnes did his job correctly - unlike Neville, I would argue. I couldn't see a grounding from Wales, but without conclusive proof that disproves it, Barnes's hands are tied.
    If Neville was incorrect in how she carried out her duties, the ref could have overridden her decision. Ref is the final arbiter after all. And I haven't seen one commentator say that she was wrong.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,090 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    France need to beat Scotland by 21 points not 19 points, having missed the conversion. And score 4 tries.

    It would have been 17 with the conversion. +2 to France, -2 to Wales.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭almostover


    It would have been 17 with the conversion. +2 to France, -2 to Wales.

    Will be interesting to see if that differential is significant next weekend. Great to have one more exciting game left to watch. France chasing a big score and Scotland capable of anything from the awful to the sublime.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,804 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Has to have touched grass there.



    547632.jpg

    Very possibly, but I never saw an angle where you could say conclusively that it did...


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