One reason the numbers are not decreasing

wanderwhithme

Straight from "the horses mouth".

Overheard a Hotel owner saying that they do 100-200 kegs week.

How?
In this case, the hotel owner supplies other pubs that cannot open and supplies shebeens as well.

He mentioned lockins at his establishment and the fact that this was occurring in other "closed" pubs as well.

He mentioned and was proud of the fact that he gets a call if there is going to be any Garda activity.

It was also mentioned that there was an event being held in another town by a GAA club and that there would be some "blue lights" that would be ignored.

What
The Gardai need to commit to enforcing the law and not bypassing stuff.

Who controls or authorizes the right of publicans and hotels to continue to practice?
(By all accounts it is the Gardai themselves).

Who governs publicans licenses?
Which is the appropriate authority to contact that governs them?
If that does not work then who is the next or superior body.

Who
If the local guards are in on it then who does one contact? Drew Harris himself??
Because one doesn't want to report something even as a general report in a different district or Dublin HQ only to have a Gard report it to one or more local Gards or the Super of the district involved (who may or may not be involved or turning a blind eye).

At this time they have your personal information ( phone number, name & address) so it's a worry of reprisal.

By all accounts it seems to be a wink-wink, nod-nod type situation.

If that's the case, it is facilitating the congregations of people, the spread of this virus and part of the reason we are not seeing drastic reductions in numbers even with "level 5" lockdown measures.

suicide_circus

Why?

GooglePlus

Not sure how this hotel is getting away with that. My brother is bar manager in one here in Dublin and any keg that comes needs to have the pint tax paid on it, so how are they getting away with bringing all these kegs in without paying the tax at the other end? They're leaving themselves open to serious risk there if that's what they're at. There's also nothing stopping pubs from buying kegs in.

Pitch n Putt

The only reason numbers are not decreasing is because of the total unnecessary testing of healthy people to tell them they’re sick

Give up that sh1t and numbers will drop dramatically. Base restrictions on actual admissions to hospitals with covid complications and we may be able to salvage something before the whole country goes down the pan....

wanderwhithme

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The only reason numbers are not decreasing is because of the total unnecessary testing of healthy people to tell them they’re sick

Give up that sh1t and numbers will drop dramatically. Base restrictions on actual admissions to hospitals with covid complications and we may be able to salvage something before the whole country goes down the pan....

errm... i won't bother. I'm sure that others will respond to the absurdity of that statement.

wanderwhithme

GooglePlus wrote: »

Not sure how this hotel is getting away with that. My brother is bar manager in one here in Dublin and any keg that comes needs to have the pint tax paid on it, so how are they getting away with bringing all these kegs in without paying the tax at the other end? They're leaving themselves open to serious risk there if that's what they're at. There's also nothing stopping pubs from buying kegs in.

This is the west of Ireland.

One thing that was mentioned was the fear of the likes of Heineken / Guinness etc wondering about the levels of orders and becoming suspicious.

It requires the Gards and perhaps Revenue to do an audit of these orders in comparison to the level of staying guests.
It involves "proper" detective work.

Who do i request this from?

• A specific department in Garda HQ - rather than a standard response or automated system?
• My local councilor or TD? (that's Leo himself)

SEPT 23 1989

I hope you are not suggesting corruption in the AGS

Macy0161

fwiw Guinness haven't been kegging for months. There's no supply of (fresh) Guinness kegs.

Plumbthedepths

'straight from the horses mouth' ah well that's all the evidence I need to believe some random claim on the internet........ ;-)

wanderwhithme

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I hope you are not suggesting corruption in the AGS

God forbid.

One actually has to wonder about fallback from reporting stuff and exposing ones personal details.

If one reports things without personal details, is it actually accepted and dealt with?

Green Peter

I heard this from a Man who heard it from his neighbour who overheard it at the local shop when Biddy was gossiping with Maggie both of whom got the vaccine about 3 weeks ago.

wanderwhithme

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

'straight from the horses mouth' ah well that's all the evidence I need to believe some random claim on the internet........ ;-)

It is the phrase i used on this post and it is my direct experience.
I am providing direct experience of what i overheard and was part of.

By your reasoning :
Everything you see on boards.ie is "some random claim on the internet"

Quantum Erasure

Macy0161 wrote: »

fwiw Guinness haven't been kegging for months. There's no supply of (fresh) Guinness kegs.

How long does a keg 'keep' for, a few months at least I'd say, if untapped. Dont know would there still be a backlog after a year. I'm sure they can do batches and restart production if demand is there

Jesus I'd love a pint

wanderwhithme

Green Peter wrote: »

I heard this from a Man who heard it from his neighbour who overheard it at the local shop when Biddy was gossiping with Maggie both of whom got the vaccine about 3 weeks ago.

No, i heard this directly from the proprietor of the hotel.
I was too slow to record that part of the conversation because i was so engrossed in it.
By the time i did record, the conversation had moved on to a different topic.

wanderwhithme

Macy0161 wrote: »

fwiw Guinness haven't been kegging for months. There's no supply of (fresh) Guinness kegs.

I used the phrase "the likes of Heineken / Guinness etc "
Thanks for focusing on one one specific aspect whilst ignoring the rest.

And thanks as well for providing clarity.

I was drinking Heineken.

In retrospect i should have ordered a Guinness myself to test the point (pint).

mohawk

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

How long does a keg 'keep' for, a few months at least I'd say, if untapped. Dont know would there still be a backlog after a year. I'm sure they can do batches and restart production if demand is there

Jesus I'd love a pint

Untapped keg would last about 3 months for Guinness and up to 4 months for beer. Are anyone kegging? Last I heard it was all bottles and cans being produced and even then not the full line up of different products.

TanookiMario

wanderwhithme wrote: »

Straight from "the horses mouth".

Overheard a Hotel owner saying that they do 100-200 kegs week.

How?
In this case, the hotel owner supplies other pubs that cannot open and supplies shebeens as well.

He mentioned lockins at his establishment and the fact that this was occurring in other "closed" pubs as well.

He mentioned and was proud of the fact that he gets a call if there is going to be any Garda activity.

It was also mentioned that there was an event being held in another town by a GAA club and that there would be some "blue lights" that would be ignored.

What
The Gardai need to commit to enforcing the law and not bypassing stuff.

Who controls or authorizes the right of publicans and hotels to continue to practice?
(By all accounts it is the Gardai themselves).

Who governs publicans licenses?
Which is the appropriate authority to contact that governs them?
If that does not work then who is the next or superior body.

Who
If the local guards are in on it then who does one contact? Drew Harris himself??
Because one doesn't want to report something even as a general report in a different district or Dublin HQ only to have a Gard report it to one or more local Gards or the Super of the district involved (who may or may not be involved or turning a blind eye).

At this time they have your personal information ( phone number, name & address) so it's a worry of reprisal.

By all accounts it seems to be a wink-wink, nod-nod type situation.

If that's the case, it is facilitating the congregations of people, the spread of this virus and part of the reason we are not seeing drastic reductions in numbers even with "level 5" lockdown measures.

To be fair restrictions are not being enforced across the country in all areas.

People are still visiting each others homes. Meeting up in groups.
Going to the shops with no mask. Using public transport with no mask.

While this is the case were are obviously going to hit a "floor" with the number of cases. They will decrease so far but as long as you have a significant number simply not going along with the restrictions there will always be cases.

Mules

wanderwhithme wrote: »

No, i heard this directly from the proprietor of the hotel.
I was too slow to record that part of the conversation because i was so engrossed in it.
By the time i did record, the conversation had moved on to a different topic.

Why did you try to record the conversation? Ok, some people are breaking the lockdown because they have livelihoods to earn, get over yourself with your pearl clutching and dont mind reporting anyone.

Sir Galahad

wanderwhithme wrote: »

This is the west of Ireland.

One thing that was mentioned was the fear of the likes of Heineken / Guinness etc wondering about the levels of orders and becoming suspicious.

It requires the Gards and perhaps Revenue to do an audit of these orders in comparison to the level of staying guests.
It involves "proper" detective work.

Who do i request this from?

• A specific department in Garda HQ - rather than a standard response or automated system?
• My local councilor or TD? (that's Leo himself)

The Super in the district headquarters. So not necessarily your local station.

Plumbthedepths

wanderwhithme wrote: »

By your reasoning :
Everything you see on boards.ie is "some random claim on the internet"

Exactly all anecdotal unless backed up by evidence.

the kelt

wanderwhithme wrote: »

No, i heard this directly from the proprietor of the hotel.
I was too slow to record that part of the conversation because i was so engrossed in it.
By the time i did record, the conversation had moved on to a different topic.

Record the conversation!!

I though ye overheard it?

Greenlights16

wanderwhithme wrote: »

No, i heard this directly from the proprietor of the hotel.
I was too slow to record that part of the conversation because i was so engrossed in it.
By the time i did record, the conversation had moved on to a different topic.

one word for you -

G O B S H Y T E

Macy0161

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

How long does a keg 'keep' for, a few months at least I'd say, if untapped. Dont know would there still be a backlog after a year. I'm sure they can do batches and restart production if demand is there

I think the last kegs are due to be out of date this week or next.

lukas8888

Greenlights16 wrote: »

one word for you -

G O B S H Y T E

100% correct, That poster deserves a medal for the most absurd bullsh/t posted
on boards today.

wanderwhithme

Mules wrote: »

Why did you try to record the conversation? Ok, some people are breaking the lockdown because they have livelihoods to earn, get over yourself with your pearl clutching and dont mind reporting anyone.

Why did i try to record?
Because i was astounded by what i was hearing and i was mindful of whether i would be believed.
Or perhaps i wanted the glee of playing the conversation back to my mates and looking at the astonishment on their faces <-- this is usually the case with most people.

Unfortunately i was too late to take the phone out of my pocket, access it via the biometrics, select the recording app etc.
By then it was too late and all that i and you have is my anecdotal evidence.

So, is my first hand experience worthless (unless perhaps it is documented on Youtube??)

I see sheep

wanderwhithme wrote: »

If the local guards are in on it then who does one contact? Drew Harris himself??

I have Drew's mobile pm me if you want it

Rosita

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The only reason numbers are not decreasing is because of the total unnecessary testing of healthy people to tell them they’re sick

Give up that sh1t and numbers will drop dramatically. Base restrictions on actual admissions to hospitals with covid complications and we may be able to salvage something before the whole country goes down the pan....

This was Donal Trump's suggestion back in June.

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/trump-if-we-stop-testing-wed-have-fewer-cases

yerwanthere123

wanderwhithme wrote: »

errm... i won't bother. I'm sure that others will respond to the absurdity of that statement.

Stop testing and the numbers will go down, sweet suffering Jesus Isn't that what Trump was advocating for at the beginning of the pandemic? Has it really come to this for the oddballs of boards.ie?

Normal One

I see sheep wrote: »

I have Drew's mobile pm me if you want it

He's probably lost that phone a few times, like yer wan before him.

Anyways, the numbers are going down.

Pitch n Putt

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Stop testing and the numbers will go down, sweet suffering Jesus Isn't that what Trump was advocating for at the beginning of the pandemic? Has it really come to this for the oddballs of boards.ie?

Why people want to continue testing asymptomatic people so long after the WHO has said only symptomatic people should be tested.

The oddballs are those that want to hold on to this forever and ever ....

wanderwhithme

Mules wrote: »

Why did you try to record the conversation? Ok, some people are breaking the lockdown because they have livelihoods to earn, get over yourself with your pearl clutching and dont mind reporting anyone.

Mules wrote: »

Why did you try to record the conversation?

See previous responses.

Mules wrote: »

Ok, some people are breaking the lockdown because they have livelihoods to earn, get over yourself with your pearl clutching and dont mind reporting anyone.

So there's a lockdown being enforced.

The lockdown is recommended by the brightest minds in the country in this field of experience and it is being enforced by the people you elected (unless you support SF or smaller parties).

So, according to you it is OK for people to break the lockdown according to your or their own justification instead?

yerwanthere123

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Why people want to continue testing asymptomatic people so long after the WHO has said only symptomatic people should be tested.

The oddballs are those that want to hold on to this forever and ever ....

Not a single person wants to hold onto the current restrictions forever. Only a simpleton would argue otherwise.

PhilOssophy

Have heard more than 1 report of Gardai attending house parties, drinking in "closed" bars, etc.
I suspect unless you went in and protested in the Phoenix Park until Drew Harris came to talk, it would never even get to the level in AGS where it would be investigated.

Mules

wanderwhithme wrote: »

See previous responses.



So there's a lockdown being enforced.

The lockdown is recommended by the brightest minds in the country in this field of experience and it is being enforced by the people you elected (unless you support SF or smaller parties).

So, according to you it is OK for people to break the lockdown according to your or their own justification instead?

I don't think people should break the lockdown but if they do, I'm not going to report them to the guards or anyone else. We're not living in some communist dictatorship.

is_that_so

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The only reason numbers are not decreasing is because of the total unnecessary testing of healthy people to tell them they’re sick

Give up that sh1t and numbers will drop dramatically. Base restrictions on actual admissions to hospitals with covid complications and we may be able to salvage something before the whole country goes down the pan....

Donald baby, we've missed you!

Pitch n Putt

is_that_so wrote: »

Donald baby, we've missed you!

The WHO stated only symptomatic people should be tested but for some reason we continue to test asymptomatic people in this country...

Have we missed that memo or is our glorious NPHET standard bearers of global medical science.....
That they continue recommending testing these people is baffling

There is one reason the numbers are not decreasing.

Too many people are no longer making any effort to limit their contacts.

End of story.

User1998

My local pub has been open all year

ShyMets

wanderwhithme wrote: »

See previous responses.



So there's a lockdown being enforced.

The lockdown is recommended by the brightest minds in the country in this field of experience and it is being enforced by the people you elected (unless you support SF or smaller parties).

So, according to you it is OK for people to break the lockdown according to your or their own justification instead?

I'll give you 5 out of 10. Mainly because the amount of responses you're getting impresses me

Witcher

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Why people want to continue testing asymptomatic people so long after the WHO has said only symptomatic people should be tested.

The oddballs are those that want to hold on to this forever and ever ....

When did they say that?

Throw up a link there.

wanderwhithme

ShyMets wrote: »

I'll give you 5 out of 10. Mainly because the amount of responses you're getting impresses me

Thanks.

I think it's because it is an evocative topic and that i have first hand experience that i am relating.
It may be anecdotal to everyone else on here but it is first hand to me.

It is also because i am response to this thread because i am so ticked off.

I am ticked off because most people i know in my social ring are following the lockdown restrictions diligently. Yet here i find others that are not and havn't been doing so.

And to boot, there are people who are actually facilitating this.

I don't so much mind the participants (because anyone can be swayed & persuaded) but i do mind the facilitators.

It's like a suicide bomber. Once they've done their deed they are gone but its the people who convinced them and facilitated the action who need to be accounted for.

ShyMets

wanderwhithme wrote: »

Thanks.

I think it's because it is an evocative topic and that i have first hand experience that i am relating.
It may be anecdotal to everyone else on here but it is first hand to me.

It is also because i am response to this thread because i am so ticked off.

I am ticked off because most people i know in my social ring are following the lockdown restrictions diligently. Yet here i find others that are not and havn't been doing so.

And to boot, there are people who are actually facilitating this.

I don't so much mind the participants (because anyone can be swayed & persuaded) but i do mind the facilitators.

It's like a suicide bomber. Once they've done their deed they are gone but its the people who convinced them and facilitated the action who need to be accounted for.

Call the Garda or maybe write a stern letter to your local TD.

Be sure to let us know how you get on. I'll on be on the preverbal edge of my seat

wanderwhithme

ShyMets wrote: »

Call the Garda or maybe write a stern letter to your local TD.

Be sure to let us know how you get on. I'll on be on the preverbal edge of my seat

I did call the local Garda station yesterday (in a different area) to get a bit of advice on who polices this stuff.
He said that it was the Gardaí themselves.

However, if the local Gards are complicit in something (in seemingly the entire area) then who does it get raised up to?

And having being told that the perps get warning, how does one ensure that whatever Garda HQ (or whomever) does is not related down the chain?

The more i type, the more i see a CSI, NCSI, JAG type situation.

ShyMets

wanderwhithme wrote: »

I did call the local Garda station yesterday (in a different area) to get a bit of advice on who polices this stuff.
He said that it was the Gardaí themselves.

However, if the local Gards are complicit in something (in seemingly the entire area) then who does it get raised up to?

And having being told that the perps get warning, how does one ensure that whatever Garda HQ (or whomever) does is not related down the chain?

The more i type, the more i see a CSI, NCSI, JAG type situation.

So now you're alleging corruption in the Garda. Serious stuff.

I'll let the Mods handle this

wanderwhithme

ShyMets wrote: »

So now you're alleging corruption in the Garda. Serious stuff.

I'll let the Mods handle this

Not as an organisation.
There is always individuality.

Red Silurian

Numbers are increasing for two reasons

1. People aren't keeping 2m from others
2. People aren't cleaning their hands before touching their faces

wanderwhithme

Red Silurian wrote: »

Numbers are increasing for two reasons

1. People aren't keeping 2m from others
2. People aren't cleaning their hands before touching their faces

True.
And they don't realise it either.

Even adjusting your mask or moving it or taking it off requires touching it and hence requires cleaning of hands etc. But people don't realise this.

Man Vs ManUre

The clowns in nphet forgot to study subtraction for their maths inter certs.

Ted_YNWA

OP

You are spouting an awful lot of heresay in this thread.

Please provide a shred of evidence & we will consider re-opening the thread