Parking permit price?

Orlak2410

I'm looking at renting a studio in Portobello. There is six apartments in the converted house. There is one parking space in the driveway. I know the cost is 400 per year if there is off street parking available but would it still cost me that much considering there is only one space?

PetitPois89

If there is on-street parking you could get a permit from Dublin City Council which is around 100e a year or thereabouts. However a driveway parking spot in Portobello is probably more desirable and €400 a year isn't bad for the location

Baby01032012

I don’t understand op post. Is the private off street parking space on private grounds available to rent from the owner at €400 a year? More likely that per month.

I don’t understand reference to cost and comparison to on street parking.

Caranica

I'm reading it as - if you have off street parking available, the cost of an on street parking permit rises from 100 to 400. The OP's building has such off street parking but only one space despite 6 units in the property. So they are asking if they would be eligible to only pay the 100 price rather than 400.

The answer is no as far as I know, but worth checking with Dublin City Council.

Marcusm

You should check this out before signing up to the lease. It’s likely to be a “heavy demand” toad and, in some circumstances, there is no ability to issue further permits in any event. Also, if the house has not been formally converted to 6 units then, irrespective of how much you are willing to pay, there would likely only be one permit across all six properties. The parking Dept are good at answering emails. If parking is important to you, I would check this out before committing to it.

Orlak2410

PetitPois89 wrote: »

If there is on-street parking you could get a permit from Dublin City Council which is around 100e a year or thereabouts. However a driveway parking spot in Portobello is probably more desirable and €400 a year isn't bad for the location

I've read that it's €50 for one year or €80 for two years in a low demand or high demand area providing there is no off street parking available. If there is off street parking available (which there technically is) its €400 for one year or €750 for two years. There is one parking spot in the driveway of the house but the landlord said I cannot use it because he likes to use it when he is calling out to service the property he owns in the area.

Orlak2410

Baby01032012 wrote: »

I don’t understand op post. Is the private off street parking space on private grounds available to rent from the owner at €400 a year? More likely that per month.

I don’t understand reference to cost and comparison to on street parking.

Yes it's the driveway of the house of which I'm wanting to rent an apartment in. The landlord said I cannot use it and have to get a permit. I'm wondering how much the permit would be.

Del2005

Orlak2410 wrote: »

I've read that it's €50 for one year or €80 for two years in a low demand or high demand area providing there is no off street parking available. If there is off street parking available (which there technically is) its €400 for one year or €750 for two years. There is one parking spot in the driveway of the house but the landlord said I cannot use it because he likes to use it when he is calling out to service the property he owns in the area.

Does the landlord live in the property? If not he can like to use it all he wants but he can't. You and the other tenants are entitled to the driveway not the landlord.

Orlak2410

Caranica wrote: »

I'm reading it as - if you have off street parking available, the cost of an on street parking permit rises from 100 to 400. The OP's building has such off street parking but only one space despite 6 units in the property. So they are asking if they would be eligible to only pay the 100 price rather than 400.

The answer is no as far as I know, but worth checking with Dublin City Council.

That's not really fair though considering I don't have a choice to park off street.

Orlak2410

Del2005 wrote: »

Does the landlord live in the property? If not he can like to use it all he wants but he can't. You and the other tenants are entitled to the driveway not the landlord.

No he doesn't. I thought it was a bit unfair as well but the agent representing him said that that's the condition

cruizer101

Del2005 wrote: »

Does the landlord live in the property? If not he can like to use it all he wants but he can't. You and the other tenants are entitled to the driveway not the landlord.

I don't think that is right. The landlord could rent the parking space separately to the property, so no reason the property can't be rented by itself without the parking space.

OP maybe contact the council and say there is no parking included in property, maybe show them ad if it states that, even see if you can get a letter from landlord stating that would they accept that.

That said if you like the place it works out as less than a euro a day difference between the permits so shouldn't be a dealbreaker.

Orlak2410

cruizer101 wrote: »

I don't think that is right. The landlord could rent the parking space separately to the property, so no reason the property can't be rented by itself without the parking space.

OP maybe contact the council and say there is no parking included in property, maybe show them ad if it states that, even see if you can get a letter from landlord stating that would they accept that.

That said if you like the place it works out as less than a euro a day difference between the permits so shouldn't be a dealbreaker.

Okay I see. If the permit was 400 per year that would be a deal breaker.

I wouldn't take it for granted that you will be able to get a parking space even if you get a permit.

I know of a person who had their car damaged for parking outside someones house in 'someone else's spot'.

Victor

Del2005 wrote: »

Does the landlord live in the property? If not he can like to use it all he wants but he can't. You and the other tenants are entitled to the driveway not the landlord.

As the property is in 6 units, this doesn't apply.

Orlak2410

ronoc wrote: »

I wouldn't take it for granted that you will be able to get a parking space even if you get a permit.

I know of a person who had their car damaged for parking outside someones house in 'someone else's spot'.

That's the risk you take isn't it.

Caranica

Orlak2410 wrote: »

That's not really fair though considering I don't have a choice to park off street.

Most properties in that area would come without parking, being so close to the city centre. Talk to the council and see what they say.

Orlak2410

Caranica wrote: »

Most properties in that area would come without parking, being so close to the city centre. Talk to the council and see what they say.

They probably wouldn't even know if there was a driveway in the house. I rang them and they said there is one available for that property but would not tell me the price

dubal

A building will have an allocation of on road parking spots.

Where I lived had 4 apartments and 2 spots.

I was lucky and only one was active, I found this out by contacting DCC. I simply registered my car insurance at the address and provided another proof of address.

Its purely first come first served of the "allocation", its 80 for two years, the additional issue is that previous tenants must release the disk or you have to wait for their two years to expire. Technically, they could renew for 2 years prior to leaving.

Dubal

Orlak2410

dubal wrote: »

A building will have an allocation of on road parking spots.

Where I lived had 4 apartments and 2 spots.

I was lucky and only one was active, I found this out by contacting DCC. I simply registered my car insurance at the address and provided another proof of address.

Its purely first come first served of the "allocation", its 80 for two years, the additional issue is that previous tenants must release the disk or you have to wait for their two years to expire. Technically, they could renew for 2 years prior to leaving.

Dubal

I rang the council and they said there is one available. Registering your car insurance at the address is another big expense as insurance tends to be dearer in urban areas. I hope it is only that price as there is a driveway with room for one car, but that does not mean that off street parking is available.

Marcusm

Orlak2410 wrote: »

I rang the council and they said there is one available. Registering your car insurance at the address is another big expense as insurance tends to be dearer in urban areas. I hope it is only that price as there is a driveway with room for one car, but that does not mean that off street parking is available.

FFS, now you want your cake and eat it too. If it’s not insured at the address then it is either because it is not your principal address or you are obtaining insurance by deception. In the first case, you are not entitled to a residents permit (unless you are a carer for a resident at that address) or in the latter case you are committing an offence. Which is it?

Orlak2410

Marcusm wrote: »

FFS, now you want your cake and eat it too. If it’s not insured at the address then it is either because it is not your principal address or you are obtaining insurance by deception. In the first case, you are not entitled to a residents permit (unless you are a carer for a resident at that address) or in the latter case you are committing an offence. Which is it?

No need to get abusive. I was just saying that it will be more expensive to insure my car at that address than where I am now on top of the potential cost of 400 euro annually for a permit. I was not saying that I would not do it (you have to anyway to get a permit)

Baby01032012

Orlak2410 wrote: »

No need to get abusive. I was just saying that it will be more expensive to insure my car at that address than where I am now on top of the potential cost of 400 euro annually for a permit. I was not saying that I would not do it (you have to anyway to get a permit)

You have to anyway to insure your car not just to get permit...T&C of insuring your car is that you state where the car will be parked overnight.

Why is €400 such an issue. Based on location people pay that to rent a parking space per month. I'm not understanding why you need permit to park in a driveway as i persume it is on private property not DCC property but thats just me not understanding.

messrs

I lived in Portobello few years ago and applied to DCC for parking permit - think it was €80 for 2 years and was valid for anywhere on street I lived on. As someone else mentioned above I think there may be limit of number of permits per block of apartments - have you contacted DCC to see if there is one available?

endacl

The question may be moot, as you can't even apply for a permit until your car is registered to the address. In other words, you'd have to sign a lease and move in to be able to collect post before you'd find out if the plan is a possibility at all.

Orlak2410

Baby01032012 wrote: »

You have to anyway to insure your car not just to get permit...T&C of insuring your car is that you state where the car will be parked overnight.

Why is €400 such an issue. Based on location people pay that to rent a parking space per month. I'm not understanding why you need permit to park in a driveway as i persume it is on private property not DCC property but thats just me not understanding.

I don't know why you and that other user insist in schooling me on car insurance ethics. I was only saying that it is another expense that I would rather not have on top of a possible 400 euro parking permit. My issue with the 400 euro is that I should only have to pay 50 euro. There is no off street parking available to me. There is one space in the driveway that the LL said I can't use.

Orlak2410

messrs wrote: »

I lived in Portobello few years ago and applied to DCC for parking permit - think it was €80 for 2 years and was valid for anywhere on street I lived on. As someone else mentioned above I think there may be limit of number of permits per block of apartments - have you contacted DCC to see if there is one available?

Yes I have and they told me that there is only one available. My concern is that they will want to charge me 400 euro per yer instead of 50 because there is a parking space in the driveway of the house that I am not allowed use.

Orlak2410

endacl wrote: »

The question may be moot, as you can't even apply for a permit until your car is registered to the address. In other words, you'd have to sign a lease and move in to be able to collect post before you'd find out if the plan is a possibility at all.

It isn't a very efficient system then is it? What are people suppose to do with there cars while they are waiting? Pay €2.70 per hour for a few weeks.

Dick Turnip

Orlak2410 wrote: »

I rang the council and they said there is one available. Registering your car insurance at the address is another big expense as insurance tends to be dearer in urban areas. I hope it is only that price as there is a driveway with room for one car, but that does not mean that off street parking is available.

Did you not ask the council the price of the permit when you were on the phone to them?

Orlak2410

Dick Turnip wrote: »

Did you not ask the council the price of the permit when you were on the phone to them?

No I did not. I am going to call back and ask them. Would they know if there is a driveway in the house or not?

messrs

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Yes I have and they told me that there is only one available. My concern is that they will want to charge me 400 euro per yer instead of 50 because there is a parking space in the driveway of the house that I am not allowed use.

I dont think they would be aware of the property having a driving space. As far as they are concerned you are applying for a parking permit for street parking because you dont have parking on the property imo

endacl

Orlak2410 wrote: »

It isn't a very efficient system then is it? What are people suppose to do with there cars while they are waiting? Pay €2.70 per hour for a few weeks.

It's inconvenient, but if it wasn't that way what's to stop everybody working in the area applying for a parking permit, claiming they're about to move in?

Orlak2410

messrs wrote: »

I dont think they would be aware of the property having a driving space. As far as they are concerned you are applying for a parking permit for street parking because you dont have parking on the property imo

I think they would know because they are the council. They have access to the plans of the property and I'm sure they check that.

Orlak2410

endacl wrote: »

It's inconvenient, but if it wasn't that way what's to stop everybody working in the area applying for a parking permit, claiming they're about to move in?

They could make it a punishable offence to do so. Anyway, nobody would be bothered doing that. They know they wouldn't get away with it. They'd be found d out before long.

messrs

Orlak2410 wrote: »

I think they would know because they are the council. They have access to the plans of the property and I'm sure they check that.

But even at that there is only one parking space there so you just tell them its for the LL use only or whoever uses it and you dont have access to it so you need the permit for street parking

Orlak2410

messrs wrote: »

But even at that there is only one parking space there so you just tell them its for the LL use only or whoever uses it and you dont have access to it so you need the permit for street parking

Yeah I will. Can't argue with that.

Marcusm

messrs wrote: »

But even at that there is only one parking space there so you just tell them its for the LL use only or whoever uses it and you dont have access to it so you need the permit for street parking

It’s not a question of whether there is off street parking available to the particular resident but whether it is available at the house at all. The particular property has been split into 6 units and would become an inappropriate burden on local facilities. Likely, it is either unapproved or existed pre 1 October 1964. Today, it would not be Sanrio Ed unless appropriate provision was made re parking. The increased annual charge for multi unit dwellings is one way of achieving that. It should be €400 but it might not be.

Effects

Orlak2410 wrote: »

It isn't a very efficient system then is it? What are people suppose to do with there cars while they are waiting? Pay €2.70 per hour for a few weeks.

You should be able to get some visitor parking permits from one of your neighbours, or the landlord. They are about €2 per day I think.

Orlak2410

Marcusm wrote: »

It’s not a question of whether there is off street parking available to the particular resident but whether it is available at the house at all. The particular property has been split into 6 units and would become an inappropriate burden on local facilities. Likely, it is either unapproved or existed pre 1 October 1964. Today, it would not be Sanrio Ed unless appropriate provision was made re parking. The increased annual charge for multi unit dwellings is one way of achieving that. It should be €400 but it might not be.

Most of the houses on the road are split into apartments and most of the houses have no driveway. Lets say each house has 6 units and there is 2 or 3 permits allowed for each house. Because there houses have no driveway, they would only have to pay €50 annually for a permit. Because there is a driveway in my house with space for one car (that I'm not allowed use), I might have to pay €400 annually. Doesn't seem fair to me.

Orlak2410

Effects wrote: »

You should be able to get some visitor parking permits from one of your neighbours, or the landlord. They are about €2 per day I think.

I'll look into that but I'd say there is a maximum amount of days or hours

Orlak2410

Orlak2410 wrote: »

No I did not. I am going to call back and ask them. Would they know if there is a driveway in the house or not?

I rang them today and asked how much the permit would be considering there is a driveway with space for one car. They said it will probably only be 50 but it could be 400 and I won't know until I send in the application and it is processed. That means moving in, changing all of my details over to that address so I have proof that I live there in order to get the permit, and then only to find d out that it could be 400. I can't risk it. Terrible the way it's done.

Caranica

Orlak2410 wrote: »

No I did not. I am going to call back and ask them. Would they know if there is a driveway in the house or not?

This is what you should have done in the first place, ask the Council not the internet. You need to move on this sooner rather than later.

Parking is no longer deemed essential in building terms within the city boundary or near transport hubs. Where 10 years ago you would have needed 1.5 spaces per 2-3 bedroom unit, new developments are getting planning permission with less than 1 space per unit. This will filter into council policies soon enough too.

Parking clearly isn't available at the property but you can apply for a permit and one is available. While you're talking about it, someone in one of the other units might apply for it. It really isn't something to delay getting sorted if you need it.

Orlak2410

Caranica wrote: »

This is what you should have done in the first place, ask the Council not the internet. You need to move on this sooner rather than later.

Parking is no longer deemed essential in building terms within the city boundary or near transport hubs. Where 10 years ago you would have needed 1.5 spaces per 2-3 bedroom unit, new developments are getting planning permission with less than 1 space per unit. This will filter into council policies soon enough too.

Parking clearly isn't available at the property but you can apply for a permit and one is available. While you're talking about it, someone in one of the other units might apply for it. It really isn't something to delay getting sorted if you need it.

Your right but I thought I might have found some answers on boards. I rang them today and they said that it could be €50 or €400 because there is technically parking available. They also said nobody has ever applied for a permit at that address before so they can't even predict how much it would be. They said I'll have to send in the application and then I'll find out how much it is. It essentailly means moving in and changing everything over to that address and getting all the proof I need to apply for the permit not knowing how much it will be.

Del2005

Orlak2410 wrote: »

Your right but I thought I might have found some answers on boards. I rang them today and they said that it could be €50 or €400 because there is technically parking available. They also said nobody has ever applied for a permit at that address before so they can't even predict how much it would be. They said I'll have to send in the application and then I'll find out how much it is. It essentailly means moving in and changing everything over to that address and getting all the proof I need to apply for the permit not knowing how much it will be.

Your complaining that you might need to spend just over a Euro a day for on street parking close to the centre of the capital city!

If you are living and working in Dublin you shouldn't need a car. So get rid of the car, move into the place close to the city centre and hire a car for any trips you need.

dubal

The reason they can't confirm the price is simple. There is one allocated spot at 50, but there is nothing stopping another resident taking it before you. Subsequent spots are 400


They can't confirm a price as they don't know if someone else will request one first.

Orlak2410

Del2005 wrote: »

Your complaining that you might need to spend just over a Euro a day for on street parking close to the centre of the capital city!

If you are living and working in Dublin you shouldn't need a car. So get rid of the car, move into the place close to the city centre and hire a car for any trips you need.

That's not very fair of you to say. Not all of us have enough money to be able to have that mentality. The rent is 1000 per month, I need a car for work, my insurance is going to go up about €800, so yeah I am pissed off at the prospect of paying 400 instead of 50.

Orlak2410

dubal wrote: »

The reason they can't confirm the price is simple. There is one allocated spot at 50, but there is nothing stopping another resident taking it before you. Subsequent spots are 400


They can't confirm a price as they don't know if someone else will request one first.

It could be that but the man said that it's because there is a parking spot in the driveway of the house so it's up to who ever processes my application

HeidiHeidi

dubal wrote: »

The reason they can't confirm the price is simple. There is one allocated spot at 50, but there is nothing stopping another resident taking it before you. Subsequent spots are 400


They can't confirm a price as they don't know if someone else will request one first.

That's not how it works. There are no "allocated spaces" in permit parking.


Residents (or units in this case) in houses on a street can apply for a permit to park on the street. If there is off-street parking at the address, then the higher tarriff applies.


I thought the OP could just say that there was no off-street parking available, as in effect there isn't for her - but looking at the way the form is worded, you'd actually have to be lying in writing, and while the chances of getting caught out in that are fairly low I'd imagine, I can understand if she wouldn't want to do that.


It's a difficult one, OP - my gut feeling is that you'll get the lower priced disc, but then it's not my €€ in question.


Maybe attach a note to your application, explaining clearly that while there is an off-street space it's not available to you (would the agent provide that in writing?)

dubal

Well when I talked to DCC.

They simply looked up the address on their system. Said it had two allocated on street spots (I.e parking permit to park anywhere on particular named street).

Then they said one was in use, and long as nobody applied before me, and I had the correct documents it was 50 for a year or 80 for two.

I applied in person and had it almost immediately. She even gave me a bunch of free daily passes for the wait.

Dubal

HeidiHeidi

Yes, but that's a different issue to the one of availability of off-street parking.


There will be a number of permits available to a house that's sub-divided (I don't know how that's worked out) - if there's no off-street parking, they will all be at the lower rate, if there is off-street parking they (on paper anyway) will all be at the higher rate.


The OP's problem is that there is off-street parking, but there isn't!

Orlak2410

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

That's not how it works. There are no "allocated spaces" in permit parking.


Residents (or units in this case) in houses on a street can apply for a permit to park on the street. If there is off-street parking at the address, then the higher tarriff applies.


I thought the OP could just say that there was no off-street parking available, as in effect there isn't for her - but looking at the way the form is worded, you'd actually have to be lying in writing, and while the chances of getting caught out in that are fairly low I'd imagine, I can understand if she wouldn't want to do that.


It's a difficult one, OP - my gut feeling is that you'll get the lower priced disc, but then it's not my €€ in question.


Maybe attach a note to your application, explaining clearly that while there is an off-street space it's not available to you (would the agent provide that in writing?)

The man on the phone was able to tell me that there is a driveway in the house, so when they are assessing my application, they would know that there is a driveway. Yeah I'm sure the agent would provide that letter but at the end of the day it's up to who ever is processing my application and there is a chance that it will be 400 euro.

Baby01032012

Question to the OP

You need car for work. So why do you need to live in the city centre. If parking and cost is such an issue why not live in a suburb.