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Citylink Complete Acquisition of GoBus

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    devnull wrote: »
    Stops of the 706 are believed to include:

    - Athlone Arcadia Centre
    - Athlone Institute of Technology
    - Ballinasloe, Dunlo Street (and potentially one more)
    - Galway Coach Station
    - Galway Mayo Institute of Technology.

    Maynooth stop is not yet set in stone apparently but they're looking at an area that would tie in with other methods of transport, so near train station or bus terminus in Maynooth might be good bets.

    From a contact in Galway, apparently this 706/706X Aircoach service is not directly linked to the goings on with GoBus and CityLink, which is still is under investigation by the CCPC.

    Further Ballinasloe stop at Portiuncula Hospital and the Maynooth stop is set to be close to the Dublin Bus terminus. It is believed these are the final stops on the jigsaw, aside from the terminus in Dublin City Centre, which I've not had definitive info on.

    There's also a rebrand of Aircoach set to be revealed very soon and the new logo is hideous.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Maynooth bus terminus was hideously overloaded at certain times of day in normal times; with one or two DB 67s, a Dualway Airport Hopper bus, a 115 and a 2something BE service potentially piling up at once.

    Now, it won't be a DB terminus after BusConnects so that layover will be gone but its a potentially very busy bus stop with basically no facilities beyond two shelters and a bin! You can just about have two buses stopped with another able to pass; but the 115 occasionally has to stop at the island already.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    L1011 wrote: »
    The Maynooth bus terminus was hideously overloaded at certain times of day in normal times; with one or two DB 67s, a Dualway Airport Hopper bus, a 115 and a 2something BE service potentially piling up at once.

    Now, it won't be a DB terminus after BusConnects so that layover will be gone but its a potentially very busy bus stop with basically no facilities beyond two shelters and a bin! You can just about have two buses stopped with another able to pass; but the 115 occasionally has to stop at the island already.

    The way the stop was described to me was 'the old 67A terminus' although that route hasn't been around for a little while and I can't quite remember whether that was the same as the current terminus for the 67 or not.

    Aircoach appeared to have now updated their branding on their website with stylised A. It looks better in digital form than it does on one of their coaches, so it may well be that there will be a launch tomorrow.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Same terminus. The 67 was changed so all departures were A and then dropped the suffix


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    devnull wrote: »
    There's also a rebrand of Aircoach set to be revealed very soon and the new logo is hideous.

    The rebrand is already visible on their site by the way
    https://www.aircoach.ie/

    Edit: just saw your more recent post stating the same


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    More information has now been submitted by parties and the investigation has now been extended.



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    Wow, I nearly fell off my chair with that substantial update. Make sure you keep us updated.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Galway Chamber of Commerce have released their submission to the CCPC investigation into the purchase of GoBus by CityLink.

    In Summary they recommended the issuing of licenses to another operator on routes where the two operators compete and also wanted safeguards in relation to services not being reduced and avoiding monopolies, especially as Expressway has pulled out of the corridor recently.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I agree with the sentiment, but I'm a little confused about the above submission. Haven't Aircoach basically taking over the x20 route from BE, so it is still there now? And wasn't the x20 always a semi-stopping service, not a non-stop direct service like GoBus/Citylink?

    I agree though that ideally there should be two competing, direct non-stop services.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Well the investigation has been going on since March, so we don't know at what point this was submitted.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Does anyone know if this deal is still going ahead?

    There's talk going around that it might not be. There is also talk that ComfortDelGro (Citylink) were not the only ones sniffing around and another multi-national made a bid at one point....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭Glaceon




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,680 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Aircoach only have multistop don't they? Perhaps they could launch a non stop.

    One good thing to come out of this, now that Citylink have fixed their beef with the Coach station, none of the companies will collect or drop off on the street anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Technically it's multistop, but in reality the 706/X kind of float around the "semi-express" label: all services stop in Athlone twice, and the plain 706 calls in Ballinasloe and Maynooth, thus realistically they're still fast but not pure non-stop. A minor improvement over the old X20 which served Loughrea as well, so despite bypassing Maynooth the X20 was still overall slower than the 706 I believe, and that's disregarding the fact that the running time between Athlone and Dublin Airport was calculated for a 120 km/h car, not a 100 km/h coach. The 706 running times are pretty much on the spot on the other hand.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, I think the CCPC is wrong about this. However I wonder if the reality of the Limerick route having only one operator set a precedence for them. I do think the NTA will need to do something to encourage competition. It would suck if every route ends up with just one direct operator. That feels like it goes against what you see in mainland Europe with most routes having multiple operators.

    The comments from Citylink would suggest that they plan to continue to grow and become Ireland's largest coach operator. I wonder what their next move will be, will they look to continue to buy other companies? Perhaps Dublin Coach? They would have a pretty complete network if they bought DC.

    Or perhaps start up a Belfast route, which wouldn't require a route license and which Dublin Coach still hasn't restarted their service, potentially leaving room on the route.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,500 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    If Aircoach applied for a non-stop licence now, surely they'd get it?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    A week after the takeover went through and still no mention of it from GoBus, their website still claims

    Established in Galway in 2009, GoBus is locally owned and operated by Jim Burke and his family.

    It seems that thus far as well, despite CityLink stating GoBus services would be bookable from 18th via their website, this has not happened.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Perhaps someone has lost the password to both websites!



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,500 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    CityLink is very much up to date.

    GoBus was updated with their new Cork City stop a few weeks ago.

    I've been noticing a lack of small service tweaks from GoBus for months now: suspect management has been wound down with the merger coming.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Gobus Galway services from Monday are moving to the CityLink stop in Zone 13 at Dublin Airport from their own stop at Zone 10, which will no longer be used. The services will continue o be operated under the GoBus name.

    I assume that they will either then rent zone 10 out to someone else or find some way of no longer having to pay the fees to Dublin Airport to lease it?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    To be honest I was just joking!

    Though I’d point out that there is often different password/permissions/roles/process for posting a news item which would be part of the CMS (content management system) then updating the booking system. Usually they are two different systems, I can’t speak for Citylink, but for many companies it wouldn’t be unusual for office admin staff to have access to the CMS, while only management and IT staff have access to updating the booking system.

    So throwing up some news items is often quick and easy, but updating booking systems can take longer and be much more involved. And of course there is the need to tie the to two booking systems together, merge them or replace the Gobus one. That would be a pretty major IT project.

    Im sure it will eventually happen, I just wouldn’t be surprised if management underestimated what was involved and how long it would take.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I don’t know if this is normal or not, but looking at the Gobus booking system, it currently only has entries for up until the end of September. Perhaps an indication of when the booking systems will move over.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    CityLink website is now showing GoBus services on the booking engine.

    It's going to be very hard for anyone to be able to compete with them and even if another operator does end up taking a non stop license, it's going to be pretty hard to make any money when you look at how comprehensive schedule CityLink have now.

    Just a taste of what I am talking about

    • 11:15 Galway to Dublin Express (CityLink)
    • 11:30 Galway to Dublin Airport Express (Eireagle)
    • 11:45 Galway to Dublin Express (GoBus)
    • 12:00 Galway to Dublin Commuter (CityLink)
    • 12:15 Galway to Dublin Express (CityLink)
    • 12:30 Galway to Dublin Airport Express (Eireagle)
    • 12:45 Galway to Dublin Express (GoBus)

    We'll have to see how things on this corridor develop, but it's very much a market which is stacked in the favour of CityLink right now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭serfboard


    It’s ridiculous. Between them and Aircoach it’s technically a duopoly, but it’s effectively a monopoly. Can’t believe that the CCPC okayed it.



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