Do the Irish have no pride?

nicholasIII

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

I think the reason why we haven't progressed as much compared to other first world nations is that we tolerate so much crap. At least the French, Spanish, and English with their sense of arrogance drove them to conquer much of the world and build beautiful cities in their country. Government also works much better than it does here.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ireland is great (especially compared to many third world countries) but we're severely lagging behind the rest of the developed world.

nicholasIII

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

I think the reason why we haven't progressed as much compared to other first world nations is that we tolerate so much crap. At least the French, Spanish, and English with their sense of arrogance drove them to conquer much of the world and build beautiful cities in their country. Government also works much better than it does here.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ireland is great (especially compared to many third world countries) but we're severely lagging behind the rest of the developed world.

Im pretty sure in the UK, the people in the north are viewed as working class.. the old mining towns and areas.
And the south is viewed as the have alls.

fryup

you obviously didn't live through the 80's

Melodeon

fryup wrote: »

you obviously didn't live through the 80's

1985 in particular:

Allinall

At least we don’t have hereditary titles;
Edward 1V
Nicholas 111
Charles 2nd
Elizabeth 1st

****e like that

Insect Overlord

Sure isn't Pride one of the 7 Deadly Sins? Dheara, Lord save us, we couldn't be having that.

NeuralNetwork

Doesn’t seem to stack up against any index or real life experience.

Nothing quite like the experience of being unable to see out the window of many trains in France due to graffiti or the heady smell of democracy from the weekly riots.

But yeah the Irish system of government is obviously far inferior.

The one thing Ireland does suffer from is naval gazing, moans with no sense of perspective who constantly seem to imagine they live in the 3rd world, despite absolutely every objective analysis showing the complete opposite is true.

But sure only in Ireland...

Notmything

Thanks for taking the time to register and post this so we can spend the weekend thinking about how miserable you think this country is.

humberklog

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

I think "mocked" is way too strong but there's a lot of ribbing of people in posh parts of cities.

I know it happens in Israel, UK, Holland, Germany and Sweden. There ones I've first hand experience of off the top of my head, oh and Madrid.

It's certainly not a unique phenomenon to Ireland.

growleaves

I'm not sure that the colonial arrogance of the old European powers is a great counterpoint to our own conventions OP. We were a colonised country. I agree that a fierce pride can be somewhat admirable at times.

The posh accents of South Dublin are in many cases of very recent vintage, the 1990s. Basically we are talking about sectionalism separating the upper middle class from the lower middle class and working class.

Well-off people from South Dublin are not aristocrats and if they can't take a bit of ribbing then that's unfortunate. Self-deprecation, self-awareness and charm goes a long way for individual members of this class.

ratracer

Are you mad? No Pride???? Didn’t we all vote so everybody could marry who ever they wanted??

Mullaghteelin

If you're suggesting we should be proud of, and admire people with posh accents, no absolutely not. That's too much like a "respect your betters" attitude.

It's easy to mock anyone with an extreme accent that sounds like a comedy stereotype, and has absolutely no self awareness about it. Scummy thugs and rich buffoons alike, an extreme stereotypical accent can really grate, and is often a sign the person has no social interaction with people outside their class or locality.

Zebra3

When I saw the thread title I thought it was gonna be about the amount of rubbish strewn around the place today.

The amount of scumbags in this country is unreal, and plenty of them amongst the wannabe middle class.

tayto lover

We’re not lagging behind the rest of the developed world at all.
Stop knocking your own.
This is a great country.

AdrianBalboa

I’m from an upper middle class family in South Dublin and, as a woman, I am constantly faced with genderist and classist remarks. I am labelled a “Karen” or “out of touch” any time I stick my head above the parapet: such as when I posted in a mother’s and toddlers group that schools and crèches should never have closed or that my children had a right to see their grandparents over Christmas. The “haves” and the “have mores” are struggling through this pandemic just like everyone else.

NeuralNetwork

Yeah Ireland is the only country in the world where having a contrived accent will get you mocked.

That has absolutely never happened in the U.K., US, Australia, France or anywhere else.

Nobody has ever called a Range Rover a Chelsea Tractor and absolutely nobody has ever mocked Karen Walker or Frasier and Niels Crane and certainly never his wife Maris.

Also absolutely nobody ever has done a Spitting Image sketch based on the royal family’s accent or lifestyle.

In Australia Kath & Kim have never ever been mocked for describing themselves as just being more “effluent” and Dame Edna has never, ever sent up upper middle class Melbourne housewives with global empires.

Hyacinth Bucket was of course an English documentary about a self described upper middle class woman in Birmingham. She was universally seen as someone to be looked up to and never as the subject of a sitcom.

And of course, everyone universally loves and respects Ivanka Trump in the US.

These things only ever happen in Ireland.

nicholasIII

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Yeah Ireland is the only country in the world where having a contrived accent will get you mocked.

That has absolutely never happened in the U.K., US, Australia, France or anywhere else.

Nobody has ever called a Range Rover a Chelsea Tractor and absolutely nobody has ever mocked Karen Walker or Frasier and Niels Crane and certainly never his wife Maris.

Also absolutely nobody ever has done a Spitting Image sketch based on the royal family’s accent or lifestyle.

In Australia Kath & Kim have never ever been mocked for describing themselves as just being more “effluent” and Dame Edna has never, ever sent up upper middle class Melbourne housewives with global empires.

Hyacinth Bucket was of course an English documentary about a self described upper middle class woman in Birmingham. She was universally seen as someone to be looked up to and never as the subject of a sitcom.

And of course, everyone universally loves and respects Ivanka Trump in the US.

These things only ever happen in Ireland.

Ivanka Trump isn't hated for speaking posh, she's hated for sounding like an idiot and being related to a wealthy one.

I don't think many Americans would look down on Bill Gates' children as much as they would the children of Donald Trump.

karlitob

ratracer wrote: »

Are you mad? No Pride???? Didn’t we all vote so everybody could marry who ever they wanted??

No. You still can’t marry for 10 year old cousin.

#love

nicholasIII

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

I think the reason why we haven't progressed as much compared to other first world nations is that we tolerate so much crap. At least the French, Spanish, and English with their sense of arrogance drove them to conquer much of the world and build beautiful cities in their country. Government also works much better than it does here.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ireland is great (especially compared to many third world countries) but we're severely lagging behind the rest of the developed world.

Firstly the idea that the poor oppressed South Dubliners are routinely mocked is nonsense. They largely dominate the media. Secondly there are class conflicts everywhere. Thirdly if you think mocking south Dubliners for privilege is bad here you should look at the US and “whites”.

Fourthly. What’s this got to do with Irish pride or not.

The first thing most Irish will do is bash Ireland and it’s becoming more prominent in younger generations. Sad to see.

NeuralNetwork

nicholasIII wrote: »

Ivanka Trump isn't hated for speaking posh, she's hated for sounding like an idiot and being related to a wealthy one.

I don't think many Americans would look down on Bill Gates' children as much as they would the children of Donald Trump.

They are extremely quick to mock kids of billionaires, and it goes way back. Have a look at Grey Gardens!

Have a look at the Simpsons discussions about Mayor Quimby’s som, or the Futurama sons of Mom who owns Mom Corp.

If you go to France for example, it’s considered the height of crassness to discuss your wealth and you will be mocked. Wealth is not flaunted. People tend not to have flashy frontages on houses, cars or anything else. That’s part of the reason Sarkozy & Carla Bruni rubbed everyone up the wrong way.

You have to remember too that Ireland’s origins have parallels to contemporary France. There’s a sense of having originated in a fight against an aristocracy and class system. In neither case did it end up with a classless society, but there is a dislike of flaunting your privilege too much.

The USA has an element of that too, but it’s more of a lack of respect for those who didn’t earn their privilege.

The U.K., or at least an aspect of England tends to mock flaunted wealth but an aspect of it still obsesses about birth privilege due to the presence of an aristocracy. As long as you’ve got people being revered because of what family they were born into, you’ll always have that, but they’re very quick to mock the nouveau riche.

cbreeze

In Belfast the postcode 'BT9' is the place to be seen to live in. Its the equivalent of our D4.
In Paris the 16th arrondisement is the posh place.

I live in a town with about 10,000 inhabitants and it is amazing how many areas within it are regarded as desirable or non-desirable. This even translates into the town's two graveyards. The older one is full up and it only available to families with existing plots

Its universal to find an order to start pecking in!

Alun

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

The one thing Ireland does suffer from is naval gazing, ...

Well, we don't have much of a navy to gaze at, to be fair.

FromADistance

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

I think the reason why we haven't progressed as much compared to other first world nations is that we tolerate so much crap. At least the French, Spanish, and English with their sense of arrogance drove them to conquer much of the world and build beautiful cities in their country. Government also works much better than it does here.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ireland is great (especially compared to many third world countries) but we're severely lagging behind the rest of the developed world.

It's hardly one way traffic now in fairness. People living in those parts are not always noted for their tolerance for those of a 'lower' class / standing. At least the class system isn't as obvious as it is in say England. If you don't know your place, you'll be reminded quick enough. Spain or France are hardly any different, ask a Parisian what they think of those who live outside Paris or someone from Catalonia about they think of the Spanish in general.

NeuralNetwork

Well even in communist regimes you’ll find there are desirable and less desirable part of cities.

I’m sure Pyongyang has a stuck up part of town where all the official live. Moscow and Beijing certainly always did.

It’s where that goes to extremes you get problems and I think, despite everything, Ireland culturally tends to try and narrow those gaps. We aren’t comfortable with with big wealth gaps, and you can see that in debate here all the time. If we were, most people wouldn’t give a flying hoot about housing policy, social welfare, public services etc

I’m not saying we get it right or that we’re some Nordic country, but we don’t seem to be too comfortable about big divides and nor are most European countries.

Charles Babbage

People need to change their diet.

completedit

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Doesn’t seem to stack up against any index or real life experience.

Nothing quite like the experience of being unable to see out the window of many trains in France due to graffiti or the heady smell of democracy from the weekly riots.

But yeah the Irish system of government is obviously far inferior.

The one thing Ireland does suffer from is naval gazing, moans with no sense of perspective who constantly seem to imagine they live in the 3rd world, despite absolutely every objective analysis showing the complete opposite is true.

But sure only in Ireland...

Ireland is a failed state brigade.

Class BTW seems much more obvious in Ireland than other countries. That's just from my erasmus experience, I'd try to explain the North vs South side in Dublin divide and it made no sense to them. Class isn't even about wealth in Ireland it's more like a mentality. Snobiness is an awful trait to have. Paul Howard, the creator of the ROK books talks about wincing when he hears that sort of South Dublin muddled aged women speaking and it's something I can relate to.

karlitob

FromADistance wrote: »

It's hardly one way traffic now in fairness. People living in those parts are not always noted for their tolerance for those of a 'lower' class / standing. At least the class system isn't as obvious as it is in say England. If you don't know your place, you'll be reminded quick enough. Spain or France are hardly any different, ask a Parisian what they think of those who live outside Paris or someone from Catalonia about they think of the Spanish in general.

Firstly, it’s pretty ignorant to assign an opinion (your opinion) to a group of people based solely on an address (when pushed I’m sure you didn’t mean kilnamanagh, ballybrack or ‘parts of Dún laoghaire’......I meant foxrock).

You wouldn’t state that same sentence if it related to race! You wouldn’t dare.

Secondly, we don’t have a class system in Ireland. While there are people better off and worse off, we don’t have a caste system as they do in India, we don’t have a class system as they do in the UK. We have no peers or the realm or commoners.

In my view, there are few in this country who are not working class. In other words, they need to work to live. I would’ve thought that the recession in this country would change people’s minds. Solicitors, accountants, architects, fund managers, bankers - lots of people lost their jobs. And have still yet to recover. I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t be ****ed if they lost their job.

Obviously some people earn more, some earn less. There are many many factors for this. We address this - in some ways - by having one of - if not the most - progressive tax system anywhere in the world. But you think ‘southsiders’ have no tolerance for the ‘working class’.

Risible.

NeuralNetwork

completedit wrote: »

Ireland is a failed state brigade.

Class BTW seems much more obvious in Ireland than other countries. That's just from my erasmus experience, I'd try to explain the North vs South side in Dublin divide and it made no sense to them. Class isn't even about wealth in Ireland it's more like a mentality. Snobiness is an awful trait to have. Paul Howard, the creator of the ROK books talks about wincing when he hears that sort of South Dublin muddled aged women speaking and it's something I can relate to.

I don't agree. I think it's more obvious when you're aware of it by being part of a culture than it is when you're not.

It's extremely similar in the UK and in France. I know for example, in France there's an enormous problem with CVs being rejected based on perceptions about addresses in some cities, to the extent that there were actual policies put in place to curb it.

They also extended Equal Status Act like protections (only more severe as it also carries a potential prison sentence) to discrimination based on regional accents : https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201127-france-outlaws-discrimination-based-on-regional-accents

You could find pretty serious issues with discrimination against people based on say having an accent from Marseilles or having to neutralise their accent from certain parts of Paris and it rolls into a xenophobic element when someone's got an accent from a former / current French overseas territory or another french speaking country.

My own experience of being abroad has been that because you're outside the system, you can't be pigeonholed as much and you also don't really see the pigeonholing either.

You'll even notice that in England where sometimes if you're Irish, American, Australian etc they can't quite classify you as a particular class, so you can sometimes move around without those labels. Whereas in contrast, I know people from the North of England who've been openly mocked in the office in London about their accent. I remember one person in particular who used to get stuff like people in London asking her to "go on.. say upper!" or people yelling "Ay up!" when she walked in.

Another guy used to get utterly shredded about his strong 'cockney' accent and you'd get people doing Del Trotter impressions. Some if it's in jest, but much like someone going on about your northside Dublin accent, it starts to become annoying after a while.

I noticed it in Boston quite a bit too, where you'd get the odd swipe at Southie or other areas and you'd also get some inverted snobbery towards snootier parts of the city.

I think it applies everywhere to some degree tbh.

I find though when you're abroad, especially as a student or a tourist, you really get a very superficial view of a society. If you're plugged in and living there day to day e.g. working in it, going out with someone from there, have family there etc it's a very different view.

karlitob

completedit wrote: »

Class isn't even about wealth in Ireland it's more like a mentality. Snobiness is an awful trait to have. Paul Howard, the creator of the ROK books talks about wincing when he hears that sort of South Dublin muddled aged women speaking and it's something I can relate to.

So now the understood definition of class is has nothing to do with wealth, it’s about your mentality. Please expand.

In the drug filled hovel where I’m from, one end of the street was deemed to be nicer or better than the other. Those ****ers at the end of the street used to always look down their noses at me. Even though the street was east of ours, we called them ‘southsiders’. They thought they were upper middle class, if not lower middle class, but they all thought us working class. Now everyone was on social welfare, and we all lived in social welfare housing ..... but it was their mentality that made them lower to upper middle class. Roddy Doyle used to cringe when he heard their accent. It’s something I can relate to also.



Who cares what accent they have? Who cares what they say? Just try to think of it the way I thought about your post - I didn’t hear your accent, I don’t know how much money you earn or don’t earn, I don’t know where you live - but it didn’t matter, I still didn’t care what you thought and I thought your opinion was ridiculous. So ridiculous I tried to use a humorous analogy to satirise it.

Skipduke

i fail to see how living in south Dublin qualifies one to be considered an upper-class citizen?... IMO its pretty undesirable having your next-door neighbours house right beside your own.

real upper-class don't live in semi-d's. even at a stretch on Shrewsbury rd, you're no more than 100 meters from your neighbour. vom.

but of course, if you were to go out to the country + buy a farm, you'd be considered a bogger. you cant win

Hyperbollix

I just can't take people with that accent seriously. I'm sure there must be good ones out there but when I hear the Heino brigade, all I see in Jennifer Carroll McNeill of Fine Gael, rolling over poor people in her Range Rover Evoque.

Skipduke

Hyperbollix wrote: »

I just can't take people with that accent seriously. I'm sure there must be good ones out there but when I hear the Heino brigade, all I see in Jennifer Carroll McNeill of Fine Gael, rolling over poor people in her Range Rover Evoque.

evoques are entry level, bold of you to assume shes so poor

NeuralNetwork

One thing I do notice in Ireland though that's increasingly different from the UK is that you can definitely move between social classes here.

In England the one very definitely odd thing I noticed was people tend to cling to a class label in a very obvious way and talk about it. Irish people tend to either not discuss class, or discuss it in terms of just mocking accents and so on.

There were elements of English society that were just impenetrable to me. You've an upper class that is entirely about family name and privilege. Even if you're extremely wealthy, even across multiple generations, you cannot enter it. It's to do with title and privilege. Even if you're bankrupt, as long as you have that family linage and title, you're upper class.

Then you've a whole load of people who'll describe themselves as working class, even though by no definition do they meet that description. I know for example, a friend of mine in England who grew up in a nice suburban house in a northern english city. Her two parents are professionals, one of them's a university academic, and she would absolutely describe herself as working class, even though she's no notion of what it is to be 'working class' in any realistic sense. It's just a label she likes as she's an accent from the North of England and considers herself to be part of that label.

The majority of the population seem to inhabit some kind of middle class and ignore both of those labels, but they absolutely exist and there's a lot of open discussion about them in a way that you would never really encounter here.

In Ireland I find class tends to be more about money and what house you bought. You won't typically get someone going on about someone's family background. If they earn X and live in Y or at least do something, look and sound 'respectable' that tends to be where the class definition is. It doesn't go deeper and it doesn't seem to be locked into any kind of hardcore privilege system.

There's a bit of nonsense around the private schools, especially in Dublin, but it's more just bought in privilege. I found in England you could go to Eaton and still be an outsider who paid the fees.

Iguarantee

karlitob wrote: »

No. You still can’t marry for 10 year old cousin.

#love

Some folk’ll never lose a toe but, then again, some folk’ll...

I see sheep

There's a difference between 'looking down on someone' and 'taking the piss out of someone'.
I don't think anyone 'looks down on' D4 people.

pgj2015

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The first thing most Irish will do is bash Ireland and it’s becoming more prominent in younger generations. Sad to see.

its just people who aren't successful in life, they just blame that on the Irish government. They don't know how lucky they are to live here.

NeuralNetwork

I see sheep wrote: »

There's a difference between 'looking down on someone' and 'taking the piss out of someone'.
I don't think anyone 'looks down on' D4 people.

Not to mention that the reality of D4 is Ringsend, Irishtown and a large chunk of the old docks, as well as Sandymount which is fairly blandly normal and then Ballsbridge which is more an embassy district.

I don't think many people in actual D4 have a "D4" accent. It's more of a creation of the further flung suburbs like Foxrock. The whole "D4" accent thing seems to be caused by the notion of certain RTE-accents.

Hyperbollix

Skipduke wrote: »

evoques are entry level, bold of you to assume shes so poor

Hey she's still Irish. Even the well heeled here are all about the poverty spec luxury marques.

bnt

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

Oh please - ask anyone in London about the Chelsea Tractor. Have you forgotten Gangnam Style already? That’s taking the mickey out of people in a posh part of Seoul. You’re so vain, you probably think that song is about you ...

nicholasIII

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ireland is great (especially compared to many third world countries) but we're severely lagging behind the rest of the developed world.

OP, speaking as a native born Irish person here, and also as someone who has lived in the UK for 12 years, I can categorically assure you that 99% of the people who live in Wimbledon and Richmond are most certainly not on the same page as 99% of the people who live in Romford and Eltham.

Nice comparison there between Ireland and "many third world countries" by the way. :rolleyes:

FromADistance

karlitob wrote: »

Firstly, it’s pretty ignorant to assign an opinion (your opinion) to a group of people based solely on an address (when pushed I’m sure you didn’t mean kilnamanagh, ballybrack or ‘parts of Dún laoghaire’......I meant foxrock).

You wouldn’t state that same sentence if it related to race! You wouldn’t dare.

Secondly, we don’t have a class system in Ireland. While there are people better off and worse off, we don’t have a caste system as they do in India, we don’t have a class system as they do in the UK. We have no peers or the realm or commoners.

In my view, there are few in this country who are not working class. In other words, they need to work to live. I would’ve thought that the recession in this country would change people’s minds. Solicitors, accountants, architects, fund managers, bankers - lots of people lost their jobs. And have still yet to recover. I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t be ****ed if they lost their job.

Obviously some people earn more, some earn less. There are many many factors for this. We address this - in some ways - by having one of - if not the most - progressive tax system anywhere in the world. But you think ‘southsiders’ have no tolerance for the ‘working class’.

Risible.

Jeez.... thanks for the lecture... outraged much?

nicholasIII

pgj2015 wrote: »

its just people who aren't successful in life, they just blame that on the Irish government. They don't know how lucky they are to live here.

Lucky in what sense?

I think it's understandable how some Irish people think that. Even though Ireland ranks highly on many metrics of success, Ireland has only enjoyed prosperity for an incredibly short amount of time in the countries (or even islands) history. From 10,000 BCE to about 1990, I'd say that the conditions in this country could be considered third world. It's only the help from the EU and the fact that we spoke English which brought this country out of it's kipness.

Conversely, would you characterise those born in America as 'unlucky'?

karlitob

FromADistance wrote: »

Jeez.... thanks for the lecture... outraged much?

Nope. Just like to highlight double standards when I see.

Unsurprisingly I see you like to attack the poster rather than the content.

chrissb8

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

I think the reason why we haven't progressed as much compared to other first world nations is that we tolerate so much crap. At least the French, Spanish, and English with their sense of arrogance drove them to conquer much of the world and build beautiful cities in their country. Government also works much better than it does here.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ireland is great (especially compared to many third world countries) but we're severely lagging behind the rest of the developed world.

Firstly, a load of s***e that we haven't progressed much is just flat out wrong. Ireland is one of the richest countries in Europe, a growing economy and if you were to compare today from even 30 years ago it's chalk and cheese.

We are not at all "lagging" behind the developed world. Give me one area in which we are deficient compared to another country you've named and I'll give you one area they're deficient in. The same goes for governments.

Ireland is a brilliant country and not without its problems, but this diatribe of Ireland isn't good is simply not true.

Also, why are you even comparing Spain, Germany and England in the same conversation as Ireland. That's another thing people need to change, their warped view of Ireland is comparable in terms of success to these countries.

FromADistance

karlitob wrote: »

Nope. Just like to highlight double standards when I see.

Unsurprisingly I see you like to attack the poster rather than the content.

You're the one who has hopped up on your high horse looking for outrage. Take a chill pill. I haven't got any strong opinion on the matter... merely pointing out, in response to the OP, that there's also people out there who look down on people of a lower class.

karlitob

FromADistance wrote: »

You're the one who has hopped up on your high horse looking for outrage. Take a chill pill. I haven't got any strong opinion on the matter... merely pointing out, in response to the OP, that there's also people out there who look down on people of a lower class.

I agree that there are people who look down on other people. (Though I don’t agree with your view that there is such a thing as class in ireland) But of course that’s not what you said - you said ‘southsiders’. So you come off your high horse and stop generalising people on the basis of where they’re from and assigning your opinions and views onto them.

You wouldn’t say it about someone’s race so don’t say it about where someone comes from. Next you’ll be saying that people from Ballymun are scumbags.

FromADistance

karlitob wrote: »

I agree that there are people who look down on other people. (Though I don’t agree with your view that there is such a thing as class in ireland) But of course that’s not what you said - you said ‘southsiders’. So you come off your high horse and stop generalising people on the basis of where they’re from and assigning your opinions and views onto them.

You wouldn’t say it about someone’s race so don’t say it about where someone comes from. Next you’ll be saying that people from Ballymun are scumbags.

What I said...

"People living in those parts are not always noted for their tolerance for those of a 'lower' class / standing"

I didn't say ALL people. I said people. If you want to get all outraged and make it into something more than it is, I really couldn't care less.

murpho999

I wish this narrative that exists amongst many Irish internet posters is that Ireland is similar in its development to a developing country. It's incorrect to say "third world " nowadays as it doesn't exist anymore.

Ireland in no measure of any kind is similar to a developing country and has not been since independence.

Go look at measure such as the Human Development Index which looks at many factors and Ireland ranks no 2 in the world just behind Norway.

Link

There are people who are just convinced that everything in this country is done wrong, crime is high, politicians are corrupt, healthcare is poor, education behind. etc when the truth is that we're living in one of the safest and most advanced countries in the world but no independent external evidence you can provide these people will convince them of otherwise.

Every nation on the planet has internal mocking and stereotypes based on geography.

murpho999

nicholasIII wrote: »

The way many people look down on those living in South Dublin and who have posh accents. It's quite interesting really. In no other country would someone be mocked for living in a good area.

I think the reason why we haven't progressed as much compared to other first world nations is that we tolerate so much crap. At least the French, Spanish, and English with their sense of arrogance drove them to conquer much of the world and build beautiful cities in their country. Government also works much better than it does here.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ireland is great (especially compared to many third world countries) but we're severely lagging behind the rest of the developed world.

Everything in this post is wrong. Practically everything.

I'll simply point out that I lived in The Nethelrlands, which many hold up as a beacon of equality and perfection and there ordinary Dutch people would slag people from areas like "Wassenaar" and in Dutch they'd call them "bekakt" which literally translates as "pretentious" but in reality means posh and annoying.

It's normal for people to do this especially in relation knowing that the accents and behaviours may be false and irksome.