North inner city turning into war zone

ninebeanrows

Something needs to be done about north inner city around OConnel Street to Parnell to Amiens St

I know it’s always been rough enough but it has deteriorated rapidly in the last 12 months and is almost a no go area now

This in the heart of our capital city and cannot be accepted any longer

There are daily mugging and beatings a outside our GPO and a stones throw from the department of education.

Time for politicians to sort this out once and for all.

Has anybody been around area in recent months?

I live in the area and have had no problems at all.

Caranica

I think the issue around the city centre is that nobody is around, relatively speaking. I worked on Marlborough Street until last year and yes the area was spicy. I saw people up to no good but no assaults or muggings. I never felt unsafe, but at the same time I never felt comfortable.

Before Covid, the dodgy element was very well diluted by others. Take almost all the workers, shoppers and tourists out of the area and it looks like they're everywhere.

Wishbone Ash

ninebeanrows wrote: »

...Time for politicians to sort this out once and for all....

Very poor turnout at elections - why would politicians bother?

kravmaga

Zahra Plain Axe wrote: »

I live in the area and have had no problems at all.

Thats because your wearing a blind fold and cant see whats going on or rose tinted glasses

Esse85

Guards are too busy hanging around beauty spots and tourist attractions trying to catch people outside their 5km radius than to be dealing with serious matters like you mention.

Rodin

Any gardai Ive ever seen in the area particularly by the GPO have always been too busy texting on their phones to offer a deterrent.

This country needs to come to terms with treating problems aggressively. Being aggressive instead of "shure it'll be grand" does not make us analagous to the tans.

doublejobbing 2

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Something needs to be done about north inner city around OConnel Street to Parnell to Amiens St

I know it’s always been rough enough but it has deteriorated rapidly in the last 12 months and is almost a no go area now

The junkies are more obvious because they aren't camoflaged by the masses of regular Joes any more.

There are daily mugging, stabbings and beatings a outside our GPO and a stones throw from the department of education.

Daily :pac::pac::pac: I'd be surprised if there is one mugging in a 6 month period on somewhere as crowded and CCTV heavy as O'Connell St.

Has anybody been around area in recent months?

Yes. Well policed and more free of crime than plenty of other Western capitals main throighfares.

The Roma gypsies hanging out all day are an annoyance. Aside from that, little to report.

wakka12

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Something needs to be done about north inner city around OConnel Street to Parnell to Amiens St

I know it’s always been rough enough but it has deteriorated rapidly in the last 12 months and is almost a no go area now

This in the heart of our capital city and cannot be accepted any longer

There are daily mugging, stabbings and beatings a outside our GPO and a stones throw from the department of education.

Time for politicians to sort this out once and for all.

Has anybody been around area in recent months?

Stabbings outside the GPO. And oh wait you said daily as well. WUM.

Dublin could do with better policing, but I really don't get why certain Boards posters are so preoccupied with painting Dublin as some absolute hellhole.

punisher5112

Contact hazel Chu, she will block you on twitter though if your questions are genuine and to the point.....

City is a cess pool.

Garda checkpoint now closer to Newcomen bridge just up from Amien st.

Next road over gang's of scum on bikes, mopeds and scramblers, roads or footpath they don't discriminate, but he'll if you're a law abiding citizen you get the privilege of been stopped and asked the purpose of your travel.... It's starting to feel a lot like China these days....

ninebeanrows

I walk through there about 5 times a week, and between 6 and 9 pm is ridiculously dodgy. There are people strewn on the street drinking cans and doing drugs. Outside the GPO there is a soup kitchen, another on Talbot Street, 100s milling around with no masks and dealing going off around the edges.

In the past week I have witnessed 1 moderate physical assault, 1 serious physical assault involving boxing the head of someone and one theft whilst every second day you get really hassled for money, like people following you asking you for change without a mask. I simply walk through the area for about 15 minutes so god knows how much of this stuff goes on. Wasn't there a woman stabbed to death just outside the IFSC a month or so ago.

I am not exaggerating, the place has turned really really bad in recent months. I usually stick up for that part of town as I have lived there and worked there practicably all my life but now you literally have to turn your shoulder every few seconds to ensure your safe.

dubrov

OP do you live in the area?

ninebeanrows

dubrov wrote: »

OP do you live in the area?

I walk through there about 5 times a week, and between 6 and 9 pm is ridiculously dodgy. There are people strewn on the street drinking cans and doing drugs. Outside the GPO there is a soup kitchen, another on Talbot Street, 100s milling around with no masks and dealing going off around the edges.

In the past week I have witnessed 1 moderate physical assault, 1 serious physical assault involving boxing the head of someone and one theft whilst every second day you get really hassled for money, like people following you asking you for change without a mask. I simply walk through the area for about 15 minutes so god knows how much of this stuff goes on. Wasn't there a woman stabbed to death just outside the IFSC a month or so ago.

I am not exaggerating, the place has turned really really bad in recent months. I usually stick up for that part of town as I have lived there and worked there practicably all my life but now you literally have to turn your shoulder every few seconds to ensure your safe.

listermint

I don't live in the city but have numerous colleagues that do and have for a long time, everyone of them is now telling me it's actually scary to be out. They've indicated the emptiness of people and businesses has really enhanced the volume and activity of unsavory characters out and about.

As I said haven't seen it myself as haven't been in the city for a year but these folks are generally reliable. Sounds like policing has decided not to intervene

dubrov

ninebeanrows wrote:

I walk through there about 5 times a week, and between 6 and 9 pm is ridiculously dodgy. There are people strewn on the street drinking cans and doing drugs. Outside the GPO there is a soup kitchen, another on Talbot Street, 100s milling around with no masks and dealing going off around the edges.

That's fair enough. I haven't been in there for a while but recall the people who used to refer to it as a warzone never really went into town and just read media reports

Sounds like it has gone downhill during the lockdown

richardkeiths

Rodin wrote: »

Any gardai Ive ever seen in the area particularly by the GPO have always been too busy texting on their phones to offer a deterrent.

This country needs to come to terms with treating problems aggressively. Being aggressive instead of "shure it'll be grand" does not make us analagous to the tans.

this showed use know very little tbh

cctv covers every inch of oconnell st and undercover guards operate in the area

Biker79

I live in the area. The OP is right...in the past 12 months there has been an upsurge in drug/ booze related anti-social behavior. It was high already.

Too many homeless shelters in the area now. Its like somebody decided to dump them all within a few square miles. Along with homeless shelters comes drugs/ booze/ violence/ using the footpaths as toilets. And a seemingly endless stream of Linden Village cans, blowing around the streets in the wind.

What bothers me is...how can policy makers think so little of their own city. Have they no sense of belonging/ connection to the place at all? Its like the Zombie Apocalypse out there.

Was down in M&S just there...there are now 5 tents along Henry St.

It's time to get the drug treatment centres out of the city centre.

richardkeiths

Deleted User wrote: »

It's time to get the drug treatment centres out of the city centre.

and put them where?

you cant please everyone!

They should be put out in the suburbs somewhere like it is done in a lot of other European countries.

richardkeiths

Deleted User wrote: »

They should be put out in the suburbs somewhere like it is done in a lot of other European countries.

and put it where in the suburbs? who wants to live next to a methadone clinic?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

They should be put out in the suburbs somewhere like it is done in a lot of other European countries.

The reason that drug treatment centres are in the city centres is because most of the service users are from the locality. It would be great to shift them all to Leitrim/Monaghan.

I have worked with drug treatment centres in the UK and the main consideration for location is accessibility.

For your information, there is a clinic that gives out Methadone in the area i live in. Typical NIMBYism response.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

For your information, there is a clinic that gives out Methadone in the area i live in. Typical NIMBYism response.

Most community pharmacies in Dublin will have some methadone scripts on their books.

Hurrache

Biker79 wrote: »

Too many homeless shelters in the area now. ...

Deleted User wrote: »

It's time to get the drug treatment centres out of the city centre.

It's not the homeless or those attending the clinics that are causing the antisocial issues, it's the roving local assholes.

richardkeiths

Deleted User wrote: »

For your information, there is a clinic that gives out Methadone in the area i live in. Typical NIMBYism response.

nimbyism? Thats a new one. Sounds like you watch too much tv.

Thats wonderful yeah put it in the suburbs and flood transport with drug users increasing anti social behavior and the risk of crime.

Make sick and strung out people have to travel to dispersed locations rather than a centralised treatment network.

Dont go into politics !

Gardai are useless at dealing with this bs anyway. I've passed them countless times at the Londis on Westmoreland street laughing and joking with the vermin that congregate there. They are just too easy on them. This problem needs to be dealt with with a harder approach.

Biker79

Hurrache wrote: »

It's not the homeless or those attending the clinics that are causing the antisocial issues, it's the roving local assholes.

True, however...when there are too many homeless shelters in a concentrated area, a tipping point of degeneracy is soon reached.

Don't take my word for it. See for yourself.

richardkeiths

richardkeiths wrote: »

nimbyism? Thats a new one. Sounds like you watch too much tv.

Thats wonderful yeah put it in the suburbs and flood transport with drug users increasing anti social behavior and the risk of crime.

Make sick and strung out people have to travel to dispersed locations rather than a centralised treatment network.

Dont go into politics !

Let's hear your solution Einstein.

Hurrache

richardkeiths wrote: »

nimbyism? Thats a new one. Sounds like you watch too much tv.

Thats wonderful yeah put it in the suburbs and flood transport with drug users increasing anti social behavior and the risk of crime.

Make sick and strung out people have to travel to dispersed locations rather than a centralised treatment network.

Dont go into politics !

It doesn't seem like you're familiar with how it's currently working, there's treatment outside of the city. Nor do all drug abusers live in the city, oddly enough they can be found in the suburbs.

He probably lives in some leafy suburb somewhere. Plenty of treatment centres out of the city centre but usually not in 'certain' areas.

Anyway, people who say the city centre is fine and hardly anything goes on are deluded.

Niallof9

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

The junkies are more obvious because they aren't camoflaged by the masses of regular Joes any more.



Daily :pac::pac::pac: I'd be surprised if there is one mugging in a 6 month period on somewhere as crowded and CCTV heavy as O'Connell St.



Yes. Well policed and more free of crime than plenty of other Western capitals main throighfares.

The Roma gypsies hanging out all day are an annoyance. Aside from that, little to report.

I too live in the area, and while the op is is going overboard, this reply is just as outlandish.

there was a serious assault on the 26th of january right outside the gpo.

Like Dublin is a relatively safe city but there's no point fighting hyperbole with hyperbole. i walk the city alot as per my job as a photojournalist. there is very little visible police presence. this is a fact at this stage.

I might be pickpocketed blind in Las ramblas at night, but i've a better chance of not being assaulted or the like. I've even been part of a group who was able to talk back our stuff from the brazzers and pimps who go about in Barcelona. Do this in Dublin with the feral and you're in the wars.

Your first point is correct, its mainly pandemic related. However i think its heading to a worse place as these small pockets get more and more isolated and the rest of Ireland moves on with living in the 21st century.

Bring in labour camps for petty crime.

Niallof9

Deleted User wrote: »

He probably lives in some leafy suburb somewhere. Plenty of treatment centres out of the city centre but usually not in 'certain' areas.

Anyway, people who say the city centre is fine and hardly anything goes on are deluded.

exactly this.

I'd say its more the idea that they think, sure its grand, and while it slips and slips, people will say sure it wasn't i who was murdered/assaulted. Four stabbings in one square mile in a month is a massive redball, no matter what anybody thinks. Hatchet attacks in broad daylight etc. it isn't normal, and normalising it etc is very very dangerous. And thats even before the idea that Dublin as a city needs more people living in its core. The same folk as you say wouldn't want to leave their leafy suburb except for office work or a piss up etc. Live there..god no. But sure its grand...

People should think in a decade what might happen. Yes the city was arguably worse in days gone by, but that was an old Ireland, poor and feckless and jobless, reliant on pure graft. Jobs in the docks gone etc. yet the small pockets left will never be gentrified (probably only right as its their community) and they will feel more and more isolated, socially and culturally as Dublin enters a kind of third age of just normal western living (instead of all that celtic tiger stuff)

People who say there is police in the city should actually be made walk Dublin for a day and make note of police they see outside of cars.

The poor woman murdered was about a mile from a 24 hour garda checkpoint. Bus drivers in the central station complained to store street about assaults etc. its an utter joke at times.

I live in Ballybough, its rough as **** at times but i feel safe. then again i look like i belong, i'm 6,2 etc.

Hopefully one good thing that comes out of this Pandemic is that people start to appreciate all the amazing things we have in this city and that it could be even better. The pedestrian trials that went on a while ago are a good example. I loved being in the city those few weekends as it felt so much better.

The city needs to be taken back from these people who think they can do what they like and ruin it for everyone else.

Niallof9

Deleted User wrote: »

Hopefully one good thing that comes out of this Pandemic is that people start to appreciate all the amazing things we have in this city and that it could be even better. The pedestrian trials that went on a while ago are a good example. I loved being in the city those few weekends as it felt so much better.

The city needs to be taken back from these people who think they can do what they like and ruin it for everyone else.

eaxactly. Dublin is a great city at the best of times. So much potential as well. We haven't realised half of it. Normalising toxic, reckless behavior shouldn't be part of it.

SOme of these folk have had utterly ****e uprbrinings and have no job opportunities etc, but its also part of why we have one of the most generous social welfare systems in the World.

We need a balance between strong social supports and strong deterrents. at the moment we only do the former. and by the latter i mean visible policing on foot, community policing, more cctv, electronic tagging if needs be, larger fines and parental fines.

kravmaga

kravmaga wrote: »

Thats because your wearing a blind fold and cant see whats going on or rose tinted glasses

I didn't realise a blindfold or a pair of glasses would protect me from getting mugged or beaten up. Yet hear I am, never been mugged or beaten up in my life.

SEPT 23 1989

Was there a time the North Inner City wasn't rough?

L1011

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Was there a time the North Inner City wasn't rough?

The late 18th Century. Act of Union caused significant disruption and started the decline.

ninebeanrows

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Was there a time the North Inner City wasn't rough?

This is on a different level! I have worked in the area for last 15 years and what it has turned into in the last 6 months can only be believed if you see it.

No way Simon Harris would be briskly walking down to the Luas on Marlborough Street now, like he was 6 months ago.

Thelonious Monk

Niallof9 wrote: »

eaxactly. Dublin is a great city at the best of times. So much potential as well. We haven't realised half of it. Normalising toxic, reckless behavior shouldn't be part of it.

SOme of these folk have had utterly ****e uprbrinings and have no job opportunities etc, but its also part of why we have one of the most generous social welfare systems in the World.

We need a balance between strong social supports and strong deterrents. at the moment we only do the former. and by the latter i mean visible policing on foot, community policing, more cctv, electronic tagging if needs be, larger fines and parental fines.

It's just almost like the culture of inner city townies to be rough. Embedded through generations of hardship. The way they they f*cking scream at each other all the time and behave it's like being around aliens or something, they are just so different to who I am. And I went to school in the inner city with people from these areas.
Heroin has been there for a couple of generations at this stage and if you're dragged up by some yoke screaming in your face when you're a toddler is it any wonder they turn to heroin and crime and all sorts.
I don't really know how you change all this, the inner city kids seem to still be getting up to no good, but it really was worse in the 90s. As a teenager then if you went anywhere near the flats you'd be started on and gangs would appear out of nowhere around Joey's mansions and Sheriff St etc. I don't think it's that bad now.
We can just hope that as our general standard of living improves and social services improve that these people will have more opportunities and the cycle will end sooner or later.
You don't get these types of people in other European cities, maybe in the UK, but that dog rough violent element, I just haven't seen it anywhere else.

All true

Still no reason not to clear em out of NIC before tackling the underlying causes

Tackling the underlying causes would in itself be hugely unpopular with the crowd in question also

"Money and cuddles" wont do it

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You don't get these types of people in other European cities, maybe in the UK, but that dog rough violent element, I just haven't seen it anywhere else.

This isnt remotely true imo tho. Dublin is typical of a city of its size in terms of areas you wander and areas you dont, with a small tweak here or there for cultural or local factors

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

This isnt remotely true imo tho. Dublin is typical of a city of its size in terms of areas you wander and areas you dont, with a small tweak here or there for cultural or local factors

Well from my experience, you don't get angry violent people elsewhere like we have in Dublin, not on the same level. Also in European cities the most dangerous areas are pretty much all immigrant areas, it's pretty unique here that the roughest areas are locals.

Dubit11

Dublin's grand. People need to travel a bit and experience the world if they think Dublin is bad

Thelonious Monk

Dubit11 wrote: »

Dublin's grand. People need to travel a bit and experience the world if they think Dublin is bad

I agree, it could still be improved though.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I agree, it could still be improved though.

It needs to be improved a lot.

Wishbone Ash

Niallof9 wrote: »

....I live in Ballybough, its rough as **** at times but i feel safe. then again i look like i belong, i'm 6,2 etc.

Look like you belong? Most of the males I see around Ballbough are short/skinny/scrawny. If anything, you'd look out of place.

sweetie

Having lived and worked in the city for over 20 years I have to concur. I was even attacked for the first time over the summer on parnell st when I narrowly missed a girl who stepped out in to the cycle lane just before I passed and in my l surprise I let a shout. Cue her shambling, vagrant fella taking off his hoodie and running down the street after me. As he caught up at the traffic lights, I hopped off the bike and gave him a dig knocking him off his feet just as he was about to attack me. I'm sure some of the motorists looking on enjoyed it.

listermint

sweetie wrote: »

Having lived and worked in the city for over 20 years I have to concur. I was even attacked for the first time over the summer on parnell st when I narrowly missed a girl who stepped out in to the cycle lane just before I passed and in my l surprise I let a shout. Cue her shambling, vagrant fella taking off his hoodie and running down the street after me. As he caught up at the traffic lights, I hopped off the bike and gave him a dig knocking him off his feet just as he was about to attack me. I'm sure some of the motorists looking on enjoyed it.

Echoes what I'm hearing long time city dwellers are seeing a noticable change and it's in the last year only

Glebee

Need to bring back Lugs Braniagn, he would sort them out fairly quickly. I cant see too many giving him lip.