How would you rate the governments performance tackling Covid so far

NoviGlitzko

Be interested to see where people are with this.

4

Rodin

Insufficient.

Smee_Again

So far a 6, could rise to 7 of the vaccine roll out goes well or could drop to 4 or 5.

Eric Cartman

I think they've unfairly targeted pubs during the lower periods and been too lenient with some non essential retailers and especially too lenient with tourists and those travelling.

Esse85

Shambles.

HansKroenke

Hysterical over reaction which requires hyperbolic phrases to justify the heavy handed restrictions they have imposed. Three of these incredibly destructive, authoritarian lockdowns in a year is utterly indefensible by any metric.

Simon "There were 18 covid before covid 19" Harris or Stephen "Trampolines are inherently dangerous" Donnelly, both inept and acting ministers for health during the year

Samsonsmasher

Abysmal

The UK NHS has vaccinated millions of Britons while we have barely 250000 out of a population of 5 million.

The UK looks set to open up without restrictions or masks months - at least - before we do.
They will be back to work commuting and enjoying pubs restaurants cinemas theatres concerts and foreign holidays before the year is out.

We will be languishing in lockdowns still waiting for our injections - if we keep rolling over that is!

Anyone who still has faith in this government or nphet has lost the plot

This spring and summer the public especially the young will ignore the restrictions and carry on with normal life.

It's gone beyond a joke

Our economy is on its knees and our people are fed up to their back teeth.

Harry Palmr

Which government?

This current one is a shambles. Foggy and uncertain in strategy, shoddy implementation, terrible messaging. Weak willed

I'd give them a 3 at best right now.

2/10, and that's being generous. Government making it up as they go along, absence of any clearly defined plan. Dangling business owners at the end of their tether with no dates announced for easing of restrictions. Mercilessly targeting sectors of society that marginally contributed to the pandemic & letting Covid take grip in hospitals and nursing homes. Furthermore, inability to impose mandatory hotel quarantine for foreign arrivals allowing new variants to spread. Vaccines being rolled out at a glacial pace compared to the UK, prolonging lockdown and mass unemployment. A unforgivable calamity from start to finish, people sacrificing a year of their lives for the sake of a tiny minority.

Rodin

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Abysmal

The UK NHS has vaccinated millions of Britons while we have barely 250000 out of a population of 5 million.

The UK looks set to open up without restrictions or masks months - at least - before we do.
They will be back to work commuting and enjoying pubs restaurants cinemas theatres concerts and foreign holidays before the year is out.

We will be languishing in lockdowns still waiting for our injections - if we keep rolling over that is!

Anyone who still has faith in this government or nphet has lost the plot

This spring and summer the public especially the young will ignore the restrictions and carry on with normal life.

It's gone beyond a joke

Our economy is on its knees and our people are fed up to their back teeth.

The vaccine is a red herring.
We only have any vaccine because we're in the EU so we get the drawbacks/benefits of that.
The UK can make their own decisions.

ShineOn7

Off the top of my head, only Brazil, the UK, Sweden and the States made a bigger balls of things

And Brazil and the States are many, many multiples the size of our population

A tiny island with just 5 million people who are, Dublin aside, reasonably spread out

And still, they absolutely fcuked it and continue to do so

doublejobbing 2

Criminally negligent. Not closing the borders pre Christmas deserves nothing less than criminal prosecution against those at the wheel beforehand. We would have 95 percent LESS cases, or circa 30 daily, of the airports had been closed.

joebloggs32

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Abysmal

The UK NHS has vaccinated millions of Britons while we have barely 250000 out of a population of 5 million.

The UK looks set to open up without restrictions or masks months - at least - before we do.
They will be back to work commuting and enjoying pubs restaurants cinemas theatres concerts and foreign holidays before the year is out.

We will be languishing in lockdowns still waiting for our injections - if we keep rolling over that is!

Anyone who still has faith in this government or nphet has lost the plot

This spring and summer the public especially the young will ignore the restrictions and carry on with normal life.

It's gone beyond a joke

Our economy is on its knees and our people are fed up to their back teeth.

Yeah....the UK have been really brilliant.

How about them having almost 2.5 x per capita hospitalised throughout the pandemic and almost 4 x per capita in excess deaths during the pandemic.
Cases per capita almost 50% higher.

Hardly a shining light.

Yes they have got a head start in the vaccination race, but they're cutting corners. The only country in the world having a 12 week gap between doses. Its ballsy, I'll give them that and i sincerely hope it works as a strategy, but Boris has really bet the house on this course of action.

Rodin

joebloggs32 wrote: »

Yeah....the UK have been really brilliant.

How about them having almost 2.5 x per capita hospitalised throughout the pandemic and almost 4 x per capita in excess deaths during the pandemic.
Cases per capita almost 50% higher.

Hardly a shining light.

Yes they have got a head start in the vaccination race, but they're cutting corners. The only country in the world having a 12 week gap between doses. Its ballsy, I'll give them that and i sincerely hope it works as a strategy, but Boris has really bet the house on this course of action.

Cutting corners with 12 week intervals?
Educate yourself..

https://news.trust.org/item/20210219150044-agu4t/

RGS

Shambolic. Since Christmas it's been a total sh&show..

There like a team who have lost a couple of games on the trot and all confidence is gone.

Sleeper12

In the last 12 months they have made some great decisions & some disastrous ones. From June pubs & restaurants should have been open for food but no alcohol. While the rest of the world decides to restrict movements at Christmas we were one of the few that thought it a good idea. See how that worked out

Sleeper12

Samsonsmasher wrote:

The UK NHS has vaccinated millions of Britons while we have barely 250000 out of a population of 5 million.

UK have one of the highest death rates in the world. Higher that the US. Not a good country to compare US to imo

Beechwoodspark

Good, not perfect but good - I say this as someone with vulnerable family and friends to look out for.

A damn sight better off than the UK with it’s absolutely terrible death rate

Pure mess


They seem to lurch from diaster to diaster,promising all sorts and not delivering on them


I have no confidence in their capacity to get the vaccinations done....plenty other countries steaming ahead and we will be unlikely to be finished before october/nobember imo

The solution and way out of this crisis is there,just get on with it and vaccinate

Lockdown 2 - Outbreaks caused by Meat Factories in which they were giving people a heads up that inspectors were coming. House parties also a big contributor.

Lockdown 3 - Caused by telling everyone if they behaved well in Lockdown 2 they can all have a good Christmas. Now we are looking at 5 months lost.

Wet pubs should have been allow open with the same rules in place and household gatherings outright banned with harsh penalties. At least a wet pub can be a controlled environment.

I was happy enough with the approach but that has changed drastically in this lockdown. It's a very grim place right now, that's for sure.

1874

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Abysmal

The UK NHS has vaccinated millions of Britons while we have barely 250000 out of a population of 5 million.

The UK looks set to open up without restrictions or masks months - at least - before we do.
They will be back to work commuting and enjoying pubs restaurants cinemas theatres concerts and foreign holidays before the year is out.

We will be languishing in lockdowns still waiting for our injections - if we keep rolling over that is!

Anyone who still has faith in this government or nphet has lost the plot

This spring and summer the public especially the young will ignore the restrictions and carry on with normal life.

It's gone beyond a joke

Our economy is on its knees and our people are fed up to their back teeth.

Despite how bad the UK has dealt with Covid, its beginning to look like they are getting a handle on things, ares are so inept, by the looks of things, we will be subjected to lockdowns for the rest of the year. Having stuck by the lockdowns, isolating from family etc, basically playing by the rules, the State is letting 5k people stroll into the state from among the worst hit places in the last month alone, straw/camel/back, what is the point if they are going to disregard their own guidelines.
As bad as it is, how many people have actually died? 1 is too many, but many of those peoples deaths are down to the States refusal to manage the situation correctly and simply deny entry from certain countries/take the action they need here in one go rather than the half hearted piecemeal asshatted manner they are messing about.
It has gone beyond a sick joke.

Deleted User wrote: »

2/10, and that's being generous. Government making it up as they go along, absence of any clearly defined plan. Dangling business owners at the end of their tether with no dates announced for easing of restrictions. Mercilessly targeting sectors of society that marginally contributed to the pandemic & letting Covid take grip in hospitals and nursing homes. Furthermore, inability to impose mandatory hotel quarantine for foreign arrivals allowing new variants to spread. Vaccines being rolled out at a glacial pace compared to the UK, prolonging lockdown and mass unemployment. A unforgivable calamity from start to finish, people sacrificing a year of their lives for the sake of a tiny minority.

While I agree with a lot of what you say, Id say a lot of that minority could have been protected and were entitled to be, but the State fcuking things up is what caused many deaths. They should have tackled this head on from the start when they were pi$$ing about saying St Patricks was going to still go ahead last year and when they allowed entry of Italian Rugby fans to a match that wasnt going ahead, that was early on some might say, but before we got well into the summer, everyone knew what was going on and they have been taking the pi$$ out of us since, stringing us along, I was all for lock downs and shut downs and masks, and I still am for those things if done right in short sharp bursts, but the halfhearted efforts by the Govt by not actually sticking to things themselves, and refusing to take on whomever the 5k people are being brought here by, means we may as well not bother.


Im curious, what are the numbers for Covid deaths and Flu deaths from the last few years?

Samsonsmasher

joebloggs32 wrote: »

Yeah....the UK have been really brilliant.

How about them having almost 2.5 x per capita hospitalised throughout the pandemic and almost 4 x per capita in excess deaths during the pandemic.
Cases per capita almost 50% higher.

Hardly a shining light.

Yes they have got a head start in the vaccination race, but they're cutting corners. The only country in the world having a 12 week gap between doses. Its ballsy, I'll give them that and i sincerely hope it works as a strategy, but Boris has really bet the house on this course of action.

The UK are the equivalent of the gold winning athlete who lapped you twice already while Ireland are the equivalent of the mad priest who runs onto the track with a kilt.

Sure the UK have made mistakes at every turn but the fact is they are going to be out of lockdown and back to normal way before us and we will be languishing in lockdown while they will be enjoying pints in the pubs and cocktails on tropical beaches.

Plumbthedepths

Based solely on communication, an absolute ****show.

HansKroenke

Around 100 during the 4 months of flu season, but of course there's a vaccine for the flu which haven't had as of yet with covid.

FR85

Shambolic, we are an island, it was imported. We saw Italy and Spain falling long before we did but yet ports, airports and borders were left wide open.

Leo was at the helm at the time, hes a trained doctor and surely during his training "contagious diseases and viruses" were covered in the course, he should have taken is political hat off and put his doctors hat on and closed it up tight.

He is the biggest failure this country has seen in a long time. I hate the sight of Mehole Martin, his attitude and arrogance is one thing but Varadkar's handling of it in the early days was just criminal.

timeToLive

Initial response was slow and too reactive.
Then the response was too strong against places like pubs.
Masks should have been introduced sooner - if at the very least to get people used to them.
At least we had some sort of a plan then.
Then they covered their eyes and ears for the lead up to Xmas.
Now they're fining people.
Slow vaccination programme.
With no real plan.

golfball37

The mixed messaging and one upmanship is a disaster. We were in better hands when we had a temporary government who made decisions not caring about facing an electorate, which says a lot about how spineless the current lot are.

Melanchthon

FR85 wrote: »

Shambolic, we are an island, it was imported. We saw Italy and Spain falling long before we did but yet ports, airports and borders were left wide open.

Leo was at the helm at the time, hes a trained doctor and surely during his training "contagious diseases and viruses" were covered in the course, he should have taken is political hat off and put his doctors hat on and closed it up tight.

He is the biggest failure this country has seen in a long time. I hate the sight of Mehole Martin, his attitude and arrogance is one thing but Varadkar's handling of it in the early days was just criminal.

Dont forget Holohan was at a conference about the harm of alcohol when with 500 people from 50 different countries when other countries were talking about closing borders.

In general good enough at keep deaths down pretty bad at everything else. Social cost has been high, this last lockdown is awful.

Red Silurian

2020
February - govt doesn't stop schools from going on ski holidays to northern Italy
March, April, - lockdown 1, COVID positive cases sent to nursing homes, no PPE in the country but despite that many lives were saved by the lockdown
May - economy starts to reopen
June - Europe opens for tourists, govt advice is don't travel but green list is published
July - no real checks on people coming onto the country case numbers start to rise from a low of under 10 a day
August - govt puts brakes on plans for phase 4 reopening, case numbers continue to rise, no real restrictions on people coming into the country
September - 100 daily cases, pubs that don't serve food reopen in all counties except Dublin, Dubliners flock to other counties for beer
October - Pubs close after 2 weeks of being open due to spike in cases that everybody saw coming - govt announces 'gamechanger' by banning household visits in effort to avoid lockdown 2, lockdown 2 starts middle of the month
November - lockdown 2
December - lockdown 2 ends with new case numbers still averaging 300 a day, entry from GB stopped but 12 hours given to people to fly back, Aer Lingus even put on extra flight before deadline, numbers hit 800 a day average before govt does anything
End of December - 2 week Lockdown

2021
January - lockdown 3 extended to march 5th, vaccine rollout gone to pot
February - lockdown 3 extended to April. Govt says high compliance with rules despite roads packed, Canary Island holidays and student house parties galore... Brazilians flown into the country and Brazilian variant detected in Ireland

Fair to say it's a bit of a disaster

Samsonsmasher

timeToLive wrote: »

Initial response was slow and too reactive.
Then the response was too strong against places like pubs.
Masks should have been introduced sooner - if at the very least to get people used to them.
At least we had some sort of a plan then.
Then they covered their eyes and ears for the lead up to Xmas.
Now they're fining people.
Slow vaccination programme.
With no real plan.

Masks don't work
Social distancing does not work
Lockdowns don't work
We have destroyed the economy plunged ourselves in tens of billions of debt and created a social disaster for years to come.
For the sake of a virus with a 0.03% death rate.
The vaccine is now available for the very sick and very old who should be cocooning
Only a handful of victims of working age died from this virus.
Locking hundreds of thousands out of work - work which in many cases will not be there when restrictions are lifted - will plunge these people into poverty and homelessness.
This was evident at the very start of this when everyone said lockdowns were a medecine worse than the disease.
This entire fiasco hws been the greatest overreaction and own goal since the world went to war in 1914.

bucketybuck

The current government have been a disgrace from start to finish.

That word almost doesn't seem strong enough, but it is what they are, a ****ing disgrace. The repeated failures to protect the vulnerable in nursing homes, the total lack of respect for the small businesses they so casually closed at their whim, for the ticking time bomb they have created in the youth of today, for the horrendous communication throughout this past year, they are a complete and utter disgrace.

As for the sycophants who tied themselves in knots defending the indefensible, stay under your beds lads.

screamer

A masterclass in fnckupology

HansKroenke

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Masks don't work
Social distancing does not work
Lockdowns don't work
We have destroyed the economy plunged ourselves in tens of billions of debt and created a social disaster for years to come.
For the sake of a virus with a 0.03% death rate.
The vaccine is now available for the very sick and very old who should be cocooning
Only a handful of victims of working age died from this virus.
Locking hundreds of thousands out of work - work which in many cases will not be there when restrictions are lifted - will plunge these people into poverty and homelessness.
This was evident at the very start of this when everyone said lockdowns were a medecine worse than the disease.
This entire fiasco hws been the greatest overreaction and own goal since the world went to war in 1914.

2.8m of the population are under the age of 45. The death rate based on recorded cases is three times lower than the suicide rate in this age category.

Over reaction to covid is a massive understatement.

StevenToast

Stephen Donnelly and Norma Foley are some of the worst ministers in the history of the state...

Leaky Leo, Sleepy Eamon, Meandering Meehole.


0 out of 10.

Red Silurian

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Masks don't work
Social distancing does not work
Lockdowns don't work
We have destroyed the economy plunged ourselves in tens of billions of debt and created a social disaster for years to come.
For the sake of a virus with a 0.03% death rate.
The vaccine is now available for the very sick and very old who should be cocooning
Only a handful of victims of working age died from this virus.
Locking hundreds of thousands out of work - work which in many cases will not be there when restrictions are lifted - will plunge these people into poverty and homelessness.
This was evident at the very start of this when everyone said lockdowns were a medecine worse than the disease.
This entire fiasco hws been the greatest overreaction and own goal since the world went to war in 1914.

HansKroenke wrote: »

2.8m of the population are under the age of 45. The death rate based on recorded cases is three times lower than the suicide rate in this age category.

Over reaction to covid is a massive understatement.

You are spouting fake news

HansKroenke

colmtheperson wrote: »

You are spouting fake news

Just report this poster for trolling.

Padre_Pio

Why are people so obsessed with foreign travel and house parties??

Don't understand it.

Foreign travel is down 90%, and data shows its negligible to the spread of COVID.
House parties is a bit of a joke, you'd want to cop on if you think they're significantly contributing.

The biggest cause of COVID is average people not following government advice, not restricting their movement and believing their travel is "essential" just because.

Everyone draws the line just below where they are. The roads are just as busy now in Level 3, people are still in towns, meeting friends and more people are back working jobs that they themselves have deemed "essential". It's nonsense. We're nowhere near where we were last March.
But I suppose people are complacent because COVID isn't the boogie man it was made out to be. 4000 people died of COVID over the past year, about half as many who die from cardiovascular disease.
It's a bad statistic, but there were predictions of 20-50k deaths.
Of courses, this is all with the benefit of hindsight.

People need to calm down. Vaccines are here, soon this will be a distant memory.

colmtheperson wrote: »

You are spouting fake news

To be fair, there's some valid points there. I think there needs to be an investigation into the media response, where every case and death was whipped up to insane proportions. We're a year on and some people are still glued to the daily figures with morbid fascination.

For all the talk of mental health in the last decade why are media in particular allowed to publish such OTT nonsense.

HBC08

joebloggs32 wrote: »

Yeah....the UK have been really brilliant.

How about them having almost 2.5 x per capita hospitalised throughout the pandemic and almost 4 x per capita in excess deaths during the pandemic.
Cases per capita almost 50% higher.

Hardly a shining light.

Yes they have got a head start in the vaccination race, but they're cutting corners. The only country in the world having a 12 week gap between doses. Its ballsy, I'll give them that and i sincerely hope it works as a strategy, but Boris has really bet the house on this course of action.

Whilst I agree with most of that I have to point out Ireland are doing the 12 week gap on the AZ vaccine too.
I got it in early Feb and 2nd jab is exactly 12 weeks later.

FR85

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Masks don't work
Social distancing does not work
Lockdowns don't work
We have destroyed the economy plunged ourselves in tens of billions of debt and created a social disaster for years to come.
For the sake of a virus with a 0.03% death rate.
The vaccine is now available for the very sick and very old who should be cocooning
Only a handful of victims of working age died from this virus.
Locking hundreds of thousands out of work - work which in many cases will not be there when restrictions are lifted - will plunge these people into poverty and homelessness.
This was evident at the very start of this when everyone said lockdowns were a medecine worse than the disease.
This entire fiasco hws been the greatest overreaction and own goal since the world went to war in 1914.

It doesn't affect them, they still get massive wages and nice pensions.......despite them destroying the country. The industry I am in has been nuked, absolutely levelled. A lot of colleagues are struggling with little to look forward to or potential jobs on the horizon yet those assholes have been in no way affected financially (I would not call a 10% paycut of a middle to top government wage a financial setback).
They do not have to answer to anyone.

Samsonsmasher

FR85 wrote: »

It doesn't affect them, they still get massive wages and nice pensions.......despite them destroying the country. The industry I am in has been nuked, absolutely levelled. A lot of colleagues are struggling with little to look forward to or potential jobs on the horizon yet those assholes have been in no way affected financially (I would not call a 10% paycut of a middle to top government wage a financial setback).
They do not have to answer to anyone.

To add insult to injury they are getting another pay increase!

ShineOn7

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Masks don't work
Social distancing does not work
Lockdowns don't work
We have destroyed the economy plunged ourselves in tens of billions of debt and created a social disaster for years to come.
For the sake of a virus with a 0.03% death rate.
The vaccine is now available for the very sick and very old who should be cocooning
Only a handful of victims of working age died from this virus.
Locking hundreds of thousands out of work - work which in many cases will not be there when restrictions are lifted - will plunge these people into poverty and homelessness.
This was evident at the very start of this when everyone said lockdowns were a medecine worse than the disease.
This entire fiasco hws been the greatest overreaction and own goal since the world went to war in 1914.

Am I going mental or are you copying and pasting this exact post several times a week?

Regardless;

It's nonsense

FR85

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

To add insult to injury they are getting another pay increase!

They need to be removed. The best laugh I got was recently taxing the car, road tax went up yet we cant go anywhere. Serious overhaul is needed and hopefully it will come.

crazy 88

HansKroenke wrote: »

Just report this poster for trolling.

either a troll or very unhinged

crazy 88

FR85 wrote: »

They need to be removed. The best laugh I got was recently taxing the car, road tax went up yet we cant go anywhere. Serious overhaul is needed and hopefully it will come.

To be replaced with...sinn féin? They've done a great job in the north :rolleyes:

smellyoldboot

Zero out of whatever marker you want. They have the worst kind of after the fact copycat reactive and have never made a decision or implemented an idea they didn't watch somebody else do first. The "meaningful Christmas" bs was the final straw. You could have a meaningful Christmas with the people in your bloody house, gormless, gutless Micky left all and sundry home for Christmas and look at the mess we're in now.

Stonewall gaurantee we'll be the absolute last in Europe and likely trailing some genuine "****hole countries" in getting a meaningful percentage of the population vaccinated.

Whatisthisnow

crazy 88 wrote: »

To be replaced with...sinn féin? They've done a great job in the north :rolleyes:

Sinn Fein are in power in the North with 5 other parties
One of them parties The DUP as everyone knows, rejected pretty much everything

Everyone knows this so the shouting up North dosnt wash anymore

Shanotheslayer

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Masks don't work
Social distancing does not work

It was around here I realized this was gonna be a stupid post.

quokula

Stats suggest we kept excess deaths pretty close to zero last year, despite a land border with one of the worst affected countries in the world who suffered over one hundred thousand excess deaths. We did that whilst also being the only country in Europe to see economic growth. Additionally, our vaccine program was the second fastest in the EU last I checked (although it's pretty close between lots of countries so that may vary in any given week)

In the face of a global pandemic that none of us have seen the likes of in our lifetime, I am very glad to be living in Ireland right now. I have friends elsewhere from when I lived abroad and practically everyone knows or has been impacted in some way by lives lost and families destroyed by the virus. All most people in Ireland have had to complain about is their inability to go out for a pint or a financial loss which pales into significance compared to lives lost. And while the majority of us are still in work those that aren't, while no doubt losing out financially, are still receiving one of the more generous pandemic unemployment payments in the world, which is as much as you could ask of the government.

The only time the government faltered was the misguided decision to open up for a period around Christmas, which undoubtedly cost many lives. Though if they hadn't done it they'd be getting pilloried for that and sooner or later they would have had to bow to the public pressure to open things up and allow lots of people to die before necessarily shutting down again - indeed there's already a sizeable cohort of idiots with short memories who want us to repeat that mistake again now.

beauf

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Off the top of my head, only Brazil, the UK, Sweden and the States made a bigger balls of things...

A lot here think we should have copied the above.

Govt can't win, they are lambasted for having too strict restrictions, and being too lax.

DaSilva

I have a lot of criticism but I am also hesitant to judge the government. I think crisis like this make all but the best politicians look terrible, and I never had any illusions that our government was special. They are just average run of the mill politicians and due to the tragedy that was Trump we had no role model to follow through all of this.