Kreg/Triton/alternative pocket hole screws

bbbbb1990

Anyone know where I could pick some of these up in a shop can only seem to order them online. At 20 pound + 26 pound delivery on Amazon....yikes.. B&q woodies etc don't seem to have any kind of pocket hole screws.

The Continental Op

Does anyone actually use the genuine screws?

I never have apart from the ones I got with a set.

Just use whatever you have thats the right length think most of what I use are 4 x 50 chipboard screws.

You might want to get some longer pozi 2 bits something like these https://www.amazon.co.uk/SabreCut-SCPZ289_5-Screwdriver-Pozidrive-Milwaukee/dp/B07PQMQMLT/.

bbbbb1990

The Continental Op wrote: »

Does anyone actually use the genuine screws?

I never have apart from the ones I got with a set.

Just use whatever you have thats the right length think most of what I use are 4 x 50 chipboard screws.

You might want to get some longer pozi 2 bits something like these https://www.amazon.co.uk/SabreCut-SCPZ289_5-Screwdriver-Pozidrive-Milwaukee/dp/B07PQMQMLT/.

Good to know. And it doesn't affect the strength of the joint ? I would of thought it would need to be flush.

The Continental Op

bbbbb1990 wrote: »

Good to know. And it doesn't affect the strength of the joint ? I would of thought it would need to be flush.

If you are using softwood the screws will countersink themselves but whatever the wood use use don't over tighten.

listermint

Aren't all kreg screws flathead, I don't recall any of mine being countersunk. Try ebay, also there are alternatives on amazon.de

the_pen_turner

try other amazons in the eu like germany,,spain, france and italy

have you tried the carpentry store in naas

any trend dealer will have trend ones
any of the big tool shops will have something. try my tools.ie, joe mckeenas, ept, caufields etc

The Continental Op

listermint wrote: »

Aren't all kreg screws flathead, I don't recall any of mine being countersunk. Try ebay, also there are alternatives on amazon.de

That was my point. Use ordinary countersunk screws and don't over tighten just in case they split the wood as the countersink digs in. Rarely an issue but I've split some very straight grained teak substitute when I've put countersunk screws to fast and to hard.

listermint

The Continental Op wrote: »

That was my point. Use ordinary countersunk screws and don't over tighten just in case they split the wood as the countersink digs in. Rarely an issue but I've split some very straight grained teak substitute when I've put countersunk screws to fast and to hard.

Don't do this they are designed to be a tight structural joint with flatheaded screws.

The Continental Op

listermint wrote: »

Don't do this they are designed to be a tight structural joint with flatheaded screws.

If you are using a decent hardwood then I'd sort of agree but in softwood they aren't much better than skew nailing.

Provided you are dealing with shear forces, like book shelves or compression joints like spacers noggins and studs (again resisting shear forces) they are great but as soon as you get any twisting movement they aren't so good.

When I got my first Kreg jointing tool I needed to make some hidden joints in a hardwood frame and I wasn't very sure of it so I made a lot of test joints in some scrap Iroko I had. I tried both the kreg screws for both hardwood and softwood plus countersunk chipboard screws. You couldn't tell the joints apart and they all took about the same amount of bashing to break. It was always the thin part of the wood on the side of the drill hole that always broke. In softwood the joints were much less stable and anything other than shear with the bulk of the wood supported would break easily. Twisting in softwood easily broke my test joints with all the different screws. iirc I used Kregs recommendation for the positioning of the jig on the wood for all the test joints.

So for the joints I'd use a Kreg jointing tool on it would make no difference what what screw I'd use (provided it was a suitable size and lenght) as I'd never build anything that just relied on pocket holes for its strength.

The carpentry store in nass stock them.


https://www.thecarpentrystore.com/p/kreg-fine-25mm-pocket-hole-screws-qty-500-957021/647096804657

(out of stock !)

Simo08

Screwfix has them, €19 for 500 quantity X 30mm length


Edit - just checked none in stock

Try ray Graham website, based in the north

https://www.raygrahams.com/products/1505-trend-ph7x30500-square-drive-pocket-hole-screws-500.aspx

colm_mcm

Joe McKennas do them, delivery isn’t too bad.

MacGyver

I bought mine from iedepot.ie fast delivery but might be expensive if you're only buying a small amount

mloc123

I have been using...

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/quicksilver-pz-round-head-woodscrews-10ga-x-1-200-pack/19231
https://www.screwfix.ie/p/quicksilver-pz-round-head-woodscrews-10ga-x-2-200-pack/19141