Land of the brave

10000maniacs

Have US cops got a screw loose? Pepper spraying a nine year old black girl. FFS. Makes me angry to see this.
https://news.sky.com/story/nine-year-old-black-girl-begged-us-police-for-help-after-being-pepper-sprayed-new-video-reveals-12215742

nolivesmatter

10000maniacs wrote: »

Have US cops got a screw loose? Pepper spraying a nine year old black girl. FFS. Makes me angry to see this.
https://news.sky.com/story/nine-year-old-black-girl-begged-us-police-for-help-after-being-pepper-sprayed-new-video-reveals-12215742

The officers who did that need to be seriously punished. But the article here is a clear attempt to stir up racial tension and anger towards US police in general. This is two assholes abusing their position to mistreat a child, no reason to paint it as US police vs black people.

Kermit.de.frog

10000maniacs wrote: »

Pepper spraying a nine year old black girl. FFS. Makes me angry to see this.
https://news.sky.com/story/nine-year-old-black-girl-begged-us-police-for-help-after-being-pepper-sprayed-new-video-reveals-12215742

I think Morgan Freeman said it best to a white journalist when he said if you want to help ease tension stop bringing up skin colour at every opportunity.

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

Have US cops got a screw loose? Pepper spraying a nine year old black girl. FFS. Makes me angry to see this.
https://news.sky.com/story/nine-year-old-black-girl-begged-us-police-for-help-after-being-pepper-sprayed-new-video-reveals-12215742

Why does it matter what colour her skin is?

Rodney Bathgate

I thought judging a large group of people based on the actions of a few was bad?

El_Duderino 09

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I thought judging a large group of people based on the actions of a few was bad?

The police union represents the many. Lest see how they handle it. Do they say “yes, they officers did something terrible and need to be punished appropriately” or do they say it was absolutely the justifies course of action under the circumstances.

Because the second answer would fold it back on the whole organisation as defending their behaviour as appropriate.

They had had her in the car, she was no danger to them, they were just cross with her and wanted to punish her so they caused her pain with the pepper spray. They could have just punched her and had the same effect.

Americans love a bit of cruelty. Loads of people will defend this behaviour.

Rodney Bathgate

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The police union represents the many. Lest see how they handle it. Do they say “yes, they officers did something terrible and need to be punished appropriately” or do they say it was absolutely the justifies course of action under the circumstances.

Because the second answer would fold it back on the whole organisation as defending their behaviour as appropriate.

They had had her in the car, she was no danger to them, they were just cross with her and wanted to punish her so they caused her pain with the pepper spray. They could have just punched her and had the same effect.

Americans love a bit of cruelty. Loads of pepper will defend this behaviour.

Americans love a bit of cruelty? All Americans? All black Americans?

Billy Mays

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The police union represents the many. Lest see how they handle it. Do they say “yes, they officers did something terrible and need to be punished appropriately” or do they say it was absolutely the justifies course of action under the circumstances.

Because the second answer would fold it back on the whole organisation as defending their behaviour as appropriate.

They had had her in the car, she was no danger to them, they were just cross with her and wanted to punish her so they caused her pain with the pepper spray. They could have just punched her and had the same effect.

Americans love a bit of cruelty. Loads of pepper will defend this behaviour.

Unsurprisingly the police union defended their actions saying the outcome could've been worse

She should be thankful they didn't shoot her I suppose

El_Duderino 09

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Americans love a bit of cruelty? All Americans? All black Americans?

I take that bit back.

See the rest of the post.

Plumbthedepths

That 9 year old child must have some serious strength that two grown men couldn't subdue her without the use of pepper spray. Could have been worse, taser or bullet comes to mind.

El_Duderino 09

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That 9 year old child must have some serious strength that two grown men couldn't subdue her without the use of pepper spray. Could have been worse, taser or bullet comes to mind.

The idea of just calming her down didn’t seem to be seriously explored. Talking over someone in distress just prolongs the distress.

But they had the child in handcuffs and in the car. Why peppers spray them at that point except to cause them pain? Cruel behaviour and plenty will defend them.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The idea of just calming her down didn’t seem to be seriously explored. Talking over someone in distress just prolongs the distress.

But they had the child in handcuffs and in the car. Why peppers spray them at that point except to cause them pain? Cruel behaviour and plenty will defend them.

wtf

Why are they handcuffing children

randd1

Whatever your viewpoint is, I think we can all agree that pepper spraying a 9 year old that's already being placed in a police car (a crazy enough reaction in itself) is a completely mental thing to do for a trained police officer.

America is ****ed.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

wtf

Why are they handcuffing children

Poor training and lack or resources, lack of consequences for poor behaviour.

I would bet heavily that this didn’t happen to the child of wealthy parents or in a prestigious school or in a wealthy neighbourhood. People from different class to be policed differently in the US.

Donald Trump

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think Morgan Freeman said it best to a white journalist when he said if you want to help ease tension stop bringing up skin colour at every opportunity.

are you sure that wasn't Nelson Mandela?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/billboard-confuses-nelson-mandela-hollywood-actor-morgan-freeman-9018633.html

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

wtf

Why are they handcuffing children

It seems to be acceptable in certain PD's in the states until a fuss is kicked up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/orlando-6-year-old-arrested.html

Guy:Incognito

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I thought judging a large group of people based on the actions of a few was bad?

Yeah, cos this is the first negative issue involving the police in America that has come up..................

Guy:Incognito

randd1 wrote: »

I think we can all agree that pepper spraying a 9 year old that's already being placed in a police car (a crazy enough reaction in itself) is a completely mental thing to do for a trained police officer.

Is this your first visit?

The "she could have ha a machete or an M-16 in her pocket" crew havnt even arrived yet.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Poor training and lack or resources,
.

Its way beyond "poor training" and deep in to training that actively encourages violence and tells them that everyone is trying to kill them.


https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/the-man-who-teaches-our-cops-63257870/

WrenBoy

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I thought judging a large group of people based on the actions of a few was bad?

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah, cos this is the first negative issue involving the police[insert group] in America[location] that has come up..................

Probably not the best way of marshalling your argument.....

Wii776

I've a daughter about that age, and I am amazed at how poorly trained the police seem to be to deal with this.
Actually amazed that they felt they had to use pepper spray on an unruly child.
Not sure it's a race thing though.

Plumbthedepths

Wii776 wrote: »

I've a daughter about that age, and I am amazed at how poorly trained the police seem to be to deal with this.
Actually amazed that they felt they had to use pepper spray on an unruly child.
Not sure it's a race thing though.

I had a look at some of the online video footage. The child was in the Police car with her hands cuffed behind back when the female police officer shook her can of pepper spray and sprayed it directly into her face informing the child she did it to herself.
What I found amazing was one police officer telling her to 'stop behaving like a child' her response was 'i am a child'. Incredible that a grown man failed to look upon a 9 year old as a child.
It's not reactionary but the police officers involved have no business being involved in the policing of any community. The Rochdale PD has a poor history of community relations.

osarusan

When you think of all the recent protests and controversies, race-related or not, about police brutality and over-eagerness to take physical action, incidents like this make you realise just how deeply ingrained the police officers' mentality must be.

Guy:Incognito

WrenBoy wrote: »

Probably not the best way of marshalling your argument.....

See, this comes up every time police violence is mentioned.

If the best argument you can come up with is that the police are no better than the groups that you consider criminals, then theres something wrong and its definitely not painting them in a good light with right thinking people......

Guy:Incognito

Wii776 wrote: »

Not sure it's a race thing though.

The police in America were founded as slave catchers for private slave owners whose slaves escaped.

It still attracts large amounts of a certain type to the job.

WrenBoy

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

See, this comes up every time police violence is mentioned.

If the best argument you can come up with is that the police are no better than the groups that you consider criminals, then theres something wrong and its definitely not painting them in a good light with right thinking people......

If anyone said that in relation to another group they'd get flack for it, thats a fact.
I agree these officers have no business in the job if these reports are correct.

notabogsnotion

Have any of you seen this video? This is the reality for some black people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coryt8IZ-DE


I'm in a vulnerable group (mental health issues) and I would be banned from this site for making up bull****e if I was to recount things that the UK police have done to me.

notabogsnotion

In my opinion, some people are quite simply evil.

Give them power over vulnerable people and they will abuse that power. I've experienced all sorts of **** from black people too. The good, the bad and the ugly are within that race also.

People in power in Ireland have a damnable reputation. The church, The British, parents, the gardai and dare I say it - men. If you give some nasty assed <bleep> power, they will abuse it.

Black people in America do appear to get a disproportionate amount of abuse however.

Donald Trump

notabogsnotion wrote: »

Have any of you seen this video? This is the reality for some black people.

That's too much. Verging on the category of "loada bollix".



Adult telling a child that if the cop pulls them over while driving, not to be cheeky "because you are black".



The issue might be as much due the fact that they have to explain to the child in the first case not to be cheeky.



Divisive shite and terrible to be indoctrinating victim complexes into kids.

notabogsnotion

Donald Trump wrote: »

That's too much. Verging on the category of "loada bollix".



Adult telling a child that if the cop pulls them over while driving, not to be cheeky "because you are black".



The issue might be as much due the fact that they have to explain to the child in the first case not to be cheeky.



Divisive shite and terrible to be indoctrinating victim complexes into kids.

Spoken from a position of white privilege where the truth is too uncomfortable to believe.

Donald Trump

notabogsnotion wrote: »

Spoken from a position of white privilege where the truth is too uncomfortable to believe.

G'way outta that.


Ebun Joseph is selling modern day indulgences to help you get rid of your white guilt and help you to get into heaven if you wanna be scammed partake!



Imagine having to tell a child to fucking behave themselves. And then implying that the only reason they should behave is that they are a lesser person due to their skin colour.

notabogsnotion

Here is an incident where they pulled over the only black female state attorney in Florida. ****ed up a bit there lol

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-woman-pulled-over-video-police-state-attorney-aramis-ayala-wants-talk-florida-a7841516.html

Guy:Incognito

Donald Trump wrote: »

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Imagine having to tell a child to fucking behave themselves. And then implying that the only reason they should behave is that they are a lesser person due to their skin colour.

Yeah, imagine that, that'd be a ****ty place to have to live.

But sure what would black people in America know about how black people in America are treated. Everyone knows the people that really know how life is for black people in America are white people in Ireland .

You should go online and tell them how their lives are not the way they are and you know better......

10000maniacs

bubblypop wrote: »

Why does it matter what colour her skin is?

It does matter in the USA, have you watched any news in the last 12 months?

notabogsnotion

Do YOU have to teach your children how to behave when pulled over by gardai? Do you have to tell them to give absolutely no excuse for the police to harm you? No you don't.

Donald Trump

notabogsnotion wrote: »

Here is an incident where they pulled over the only black female state attorney in Florida. ****ed up a bit there lol

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-woman-pulled-over-video-police-state-attorney-aramis-ayala-wants-talk-florida-a7841516.html

Over 300 million people in that country. Camera's everywhere. You will find an example of anything you want there.



What way do you want this to work? You find an example of a black person being pulled over and that proves racism against blacks. So I can find one example of a white person being pulled over and that proves racism against whites?



loada bollix

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

It does matter in the USA, have you watched any news in the last 12 months?

So if they pepper sprayed a 9 year old girl of any other skin colour, that would be ok?

Donald Trump

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah, imagine that, that'd be a ****ty place to have to live.

But sure what would black people in America know about how black people in America are treated. Everyone knows the people that really know how life is for black people in America are white people in Ireland .

You should go online and tell them how their lives are not the way they are and you know better......

Any eejit can make a video on youtube.



Perhaps don't raise kids to be cheeky little shites and then they wouldn't have to ameliorate their behaviour temporarily

Donald Trump

notabogsnotion wrote: »

Do YOU have to teach your children how to behave when pulled over by gardai? Do you have to tell them to give absolutely no excuse for the police to harm you? No you don't.

Well I wouldn't have indoctrinated them with a hatred since birth that would might overpower any basic manners (or even cop on) that they should have.

RandRuns

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The police in America were founded as slave catchers for private slave owners whose slaves escaped.

It still attracts large amounts of a certain type to the job.

Good Lord, what a post.

"But the Jews killed Jesus" level of logic and intelligence.

notabogsnotion

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well I wouldn't have indoctrinated them with a hatred since birth that would might overpower any basic manners (or even cop on) that they should have.

Black people get SHOT for no reason by police in the US. Hell yes, you need to teach your children to not only be polite, but to give them absolutely NO REASON for them to assault you/kill you.

10000maniacs

bubblypop wrote: »

So if they pepper sprayed a 9 year old girl of any other skin colour, that would be ok?

How can you derive that from my comment? Were you out sick the day they did set theory at your school?
Anyway, show me another video of a nine year old white girl being pepper-sprayed, or a white man being choked to death by an police officer in broad daylight.
Or a white man who has already served 25 years of a 60 year sentence without parole ....for selling weed.
Not many white versions of those cases around in "the land of the free".

Plumbthedepths

notabogsnotion wrote: »

Here's more.
A 6 year old arrested. SIX. Guess what colour skin she had before you watch the video.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/orlando-6-year-old-arrested.html

9 year old boy arrested, what has skin colour got to do with anything other than pushing an agenda.https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/

Donald Trump

notabogsnotion wrote: »

Black people get SHOT for no reason by police in the US. Hell yes, you need to teach your children to not only be polite, but to give them absolutely NO REASON for them to assault you/kill you.

I don't understand this new "porn" some people are into. Sit around waiting for a black person to be shot so that they can then virtue signal online. It is a strange way to get one's kicks.



Hopefully this doesn't upset your mojo, but you seem to want to start a competition maybe to keep score? Here is a video of an unarmed white fella getting shot because he was lying prone on the floor, and being pissed, tried to fix his trousers that were falling off.

What else would you like to see? Maybe some Asians getting shot? A few Russians? Middle Eastern?

landofthetree

Bidens America.

No real surprise.

The Democrats have the presidency and control both houses. They have no excuses not to reform the police.

Plumbthedepths

More whites shot in America by police than any other ethnicity.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

10000maniacs

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

More whites shot in America by police than any other ethnicity.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Of course it does help that statistic that 60% of the population are Caucasian, while 13% are African American.

RandRuns

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

9 year old boy arrested, what has skin colour got to do with anything other than pushing an agenda.https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/

He doesn't matter though. Can't win an election or build a well-funded national "protest movement" off the back of some white boy.

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

How can you derive that from my comment? Were you out sick the day they did set theory at your school?
Anyway, show me another video of a nine year old white girl being pepper-sprayed, or a white man being choked to death by an police officer in broad daylight.
Or a white man who has already served 25 years of a 60 year sentence without parole ....for selling weed.
Not many white versions of those cases around in "the land of the free".

You start a thread about police pepper spraying a young girl but find you have to also describe that young child as black.
A deliberate attempt to portray the officers as racist. Whether they are or not.
Personally , I feel two officers resorting to pepper spraying a young child is story enough.

10000maniacs

bubblypop wrote: »

You start a thread about police pepper spraying a young girl but find you have to also describe that young child as black.
A deliberate attempt to portray the officers as racist. Whether they are or not.
Personally , I feel two officers resorting to pepper spraying a young child is story enough.

It mightn't be an important titbit of information in Ireland or most other countries, but it is key information in any case involving the cops in the USA.
Again I ask, have you watched any news from the USA in the last 12 months?

Potatoeman

Pepper spraying a nine year old that’s already handcuffed is probably the dumbest thing I’ve seen all year.

What were the parents doing calling the police for on their nine year old? The level of dumb here at every point is astonishing.

Potatoeman

notabogsnotion wrote: »

I'm in a vulnerable group (mental health issues) and I would be banned from this site for making up bull****e if I was to recount things that the UK police have done to me.

In my opinion, some people are quite simply evil.

Give them power over vulnerable people and they will abuse that power. I've experienced all sorts of **** from black people too. The good, the bad and the ugly are within that race also.

People in power in Ireland have a damnable reputation. The church, The British, parents, the gardai and dare I say it - men. If you give some nasty assed <bleep> power, they will abuse it.

Black people in America do appear to get a disproportionate amount of abuse however.

Seriously, you have mental health issues, had bad experiences with the police and some people are evil.

I dunno you sound like the source of your own problems.