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8valve's vintage meanderings

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,855 ✭✭✭cletus


    was telling 8valve, but i recently bought a frame on a whim for 25 quid but it's probably a little big for me so i'm trying to decide whether to restore it. it's a 1952 sun 531 frame, made in the raleigh factory on hanover quay.

    Has it grown any in the last few weeks?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,164 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if you heat it enough, i'm sure it'll be bound to expand a bit...


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    fat bloke wrote: »
    Yeah. I see what you mean. The wife loves it cos of was her first race bike so we'd always thought we'd mount in on a wall as a nice "piece". I wonder where the balance is in restoring to former glory while maintaining a faithful originality.


    My two cents...


    It has provenance and sentimental value, as it was her first race bike.


    1. Polish the paintwork to a high shine, then wax it to preserve it.
    2. Polish the chrome (even the bits that been exposed due to paint chips etc) with Autosol, or similar metal polish, till you have a mirror finish.
    3. Hang it on the wall; it is then preserved, protected and every scratch/chip is part of its history. Frames like this are not made any more, haven't been for years, so it is going to do nothing but appreciate in value. You can then decide at some point in the future if you want to part with it, in its original state.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,164 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there was someone selling a master on here about two years ago; raging at the time that i didn't buy it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Watch out on Masters with the internal brake cable routing - they can suffer from bad corrosion at the inlet point under the top tube. First sign is blistering paintwork.

    Also there were issues with chroming on late 90s Colnagos, especially the forks as it can peel off.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Also a Master and a Master Olympic are not the same frame from memory - right 8valve?

    There was one for sale not a million years ago here I remember. Didn't seem to fly off the shelf either although it was nice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭Quigs Snr


    I have a couple of Colnago Masters myself. A first gen from 1983 and a master olympic from 94 or 95.

    I was so upset when it got its first scratch, seen in this picture that i nearly sold it.

    https://ibb.co/1r4892v


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭Quigs Snr


    MojoMaker wrote: »
    Also a Master and a Master Olympic are not the same frame from memory - right 8valve?

    There was one for sale not a million years ago here I remember. Didn't seem to fly off the shelf either although it was nice.


    They are the same - ish. Very little difference between the Olympic and the Piu in real terms. My original 83 master has external cable routing vs internal (top tube) on the olympic.. but aside from that if you painted them the same and ignored the curved chrome fork on the 83 model vs the straight prescia fork on the Olympic you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference.

    There may be a weight difference too but I have mine built period correct so a straight compare is not easy.. my 83 is a size smaller with 6speed Super Record whilst the Olympic has record 8 speed titanium. So its hard to compare without stripping them. I'd be surprised if there was much in it though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That's a lovely Master Quigs.

    Last one I saw through here was in 2019 I think?

    8valve, you should put up a mini-collection and let us have a wee browse! Still hanging on for that black Dolan you ear-marked for me :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    MojoMaker wrote: »
    That's a lovely Master Quigs.

    Last one I saw through here was in 2019 I think?

    8valve, you should put up a mini-collection and let us have a wee browse! Still hanging on for that black Dolan you ear-marked for me :)

    It might have been this one you saw, I went to pick up the frame and ended up buying the bike :D

    I'd still love a dark art deco or one of those photochromatic blue frames I've seen about the inter webs. If anyone is selling? :D

    50961532568_0b06b9b947_c.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    MojoMaker wrote: »
    That's a lovely Master Quigs.

    Last one I saw through here was in 2019 I think?

    8valve, you should put up a mini-collection and let us have a wee browse! Still hanging on for that black Dolan you ear-marked for me :)


    Don't worry; I haven't forgotten the Dolan.


    It went to the seatpost removal surgeon, with my Olmo, aaaaaaaaaaages ago.


    Must give him a ring and light some fire under his ar5e!


    Will post some bike pics over the next day or two.


    PS...in recent weeks, I have repeatedly posted NO MORE BIKES as my new year's resolution. As of yesterday evening, three more frames have been added to the queue for renovation.


    1980's Rossin road frame
    1970's Dawes touring frame
    Late 80s/early 90s Raleigh MTB, built from Reynolds 501...which could be kinda cool done in either the Panasonic or Banana team colours. Hmmmm.


    So much for resolutions :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    It might have been this one you saw, I went to pick up the frame and ended up buying the bike :D

    I'd still love a dark art deco or one of those photochromatic blue frames I've seen about the inter webs. If anyone is selling? :D

    50961532568_0b06b9b947_c.jpg

    That's the one! Good to see it being used.

    The luminescent blue frames are the dog's danglies alright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭Quigs Snr


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    It might have been this one you saw, I went to pick up the frame and ended up buying the bike :D

    I'd still love a dark art deco or one of those photochromatic blue frames I've seen about the inter webs. If anyone is selling? :D

    50961532568_0b06b9b947_c.jpg

    I came real close to buying that one. 1989 Team Malvor colour scheme. Love it. But I am weak when it comes to bikes.. I'd end up restoring it to mint and spending 3 times what its worth, like I always do.

    My classic collection is light now but I am always on the look out for something interesting (would love a good Raleigh). Luckily I am small so very few good vintage bikes come up in my size. Everyone was taller in the eighties than I remember. On the wall right now.. 83 Colnago Master, 87 Vitus 979, 89 Peugeot 653 Athena, 90 TVT Team Z, 94 Colnago Master Olympic.

    ... and if you consider full carbon classic there's a 97 Colnago C40 and (god help me but I love it) 99 Trek 5500 US Postal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Quigs Snr wrote: »
    I came real close to buying that one. 1989 Team Malvor colour scheme. Love it. But I am weak when it comes to bikes.. I'd end up restoring it to mint and spending 3 times what its worth, like I always do.

    My classic collection is light now but I am always on the look out for something interesting (would love a good Raleigh). Luckily I am small so very few good vintage bikes come up in my size. Everyone was taller in the eighties than I remember. On the wall right now.. 83 Colnago Master, 87 Vitus 979, 89 Peugeot 653 Athena, 90 TVT Team Z, 94 Colnago Master Olympic.

    ... and if you consider full carbon classic there's a 97 Colnago C40 and (god help me but I love it) 99 Trek 5500 US Postal.

    There was a really nice art deco colnago on adverts in a small size I think it was 51x51. I almost bought just because I like it so much but it would've been to small.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Wheres the best place to pick up an old frame?
    I'd love to do one up mint.
    I've a good few bikes now but no project!

    Anything on donedeal seems very expensive


  • Registered Users Posts: 650 ✭✭✭jimm


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Wheres the best place to pick up an old frame?
    I'd love to do one up mint.
    I've a good few bikes now but no project!

    Anything on donedeal seems very expensive

    Check out Arthur van Rooij. He has a FB Group called Vintage Bicycles Holland

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/408179642674881

    Sells a fair few Colnago, Eddy Merckx, etc. Frames and full bikes. He seems to hunt down every steel frame left in sheds, barns, etc. throughout mainland Europe.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,164 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what height are you? i bought a frame on a whim recently - a 1952 sun super vitesse, 531 frame - but it's probably a *little* too large for me. would just be looking for what i paid for it, 25 quid. 55cm top tube.

    here's the original ad where i bought it:
    https://www.adverts.ie/bike-frames/sun-super-viennese-road-bike-frame/22790573


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I usually browse www.dublinbikeman.com every few months, but hadn't been over since maybe last summer.

    Usually has a ton of interesting vintage steel road bikes in stock, you'd be spoiled for choice in or around €250-€300. Now it's mostly hybrids or mtbs, stock numbers well down, very few road bikes, and nothing really interesting (to me at least).

    Oh and prices across the board up at least €50 on average :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Wheres the best place to pick up an old frame?
    I'd love to do one up mint.
    I've a good few bikes now but no project!

    Anything on donedeal seems very expensive


    As mentioned above, Check out Arthur Van Rooij's page; I've bought a half dozen bikes from him over the years and he's fine to deal with, if a little pricey, at times. Other times, he'll have bargain bikes for restoration.


    Reesfiets.nl is also worth a look, as it's run by a Dublin lady living in the Netherlands.



    Ebay sometimes throws up a few gems, but beware of gougers; lots of sellers of overpriced stuff.


    Donedeal & Adverts can sometimes throw out a bargain; search for 'Reynolds' or 'Columbus', as these were the dominant tubing makers for steel frames and a savvy seller will usually mention it in their ad. Be prepared to haggle; the price quoted is always what the seller would like, not what a bike/frame is worth. I've bought quality complete bikes with Reynolds tubing frames(that needed restoration) for double figures and also seen 'gaspipe' run of the mill Raleighs advertised for several hundred euro!


    Let us know here what size frame you need...someone may have something nice hanging in the shed, that you can save!


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    MojoMaker wrote: »
    I usually browse www.dublinbikeman.com every few months, but hadn't been over since maybe last summer.

    Usually has a ton of interesting vintage steel road bikes in stock, you'd be spoiled for choice in or around €250-€300. Now it's mostly hybrids or mtbs, stock numbers well down, very few road bikes, and nothing really interesting (to me at least).

    Oh and prices across the board up at least €50 on average :(


    He's grossly overpriced, but that's just my opinion.


    Run of the mill French racers for pedigree prices.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,164 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    just found some old bikes for sale on the cyclesuperstore site. i don't think you'd call these bargains.

    https://usedbikes.ie/bicycle/campagnolo-harry-hall-3826
    https://usedbikes.ie/bicycle/graham-weigh-3828
    https://usedbikes.ie/bicycle/concorde-aquila-3859


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,164 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what height are you? i bought a frame on a whim recently - a 1952 sun super vitesse, 531 frame - but it's probably a *little* too large for me. would just be looking for what i paid for it, 25 quid. 55cm top tube.

    here's the original ad where i bought it:
    https://www.adverts.ie/bike-frames/sun-super-viennese-road-bike-frame/22790573
    anyone interested? the 25 quid will be going to the fund for 8valve's mate, so consider it a charity donation which includes a near 70 year old frame as a reward.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,855 ✭✭✭cletus


    I actually went back one more time, and checked all the size charts I could, it's definitely too small for me. Even at that, I'm tempted, but I think I'd be annoyed to build a bike that doesn't fit me


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭ratracer


    I love that Kellog’s Pro Tour you are selling. It was my first ‘real’ race bike back in 1989, I think. I loved that bike. Looking at you restoration, the gear levers you have on it now are a similar upgrade a 12 year old me was mad to get at the time.

    The original bike had the white plastic curved levers that were friction based, as opposed to proper indexed gears. I got those same gear levers you have on yours, from a mate of mine at the time. They came of his MBK when he upgraded to Shimano 600 group on his bike.

    Thanks for the memory trip, love seeing all the vintage bikes!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,855 ✭✭✭cletus


    I've been looking at the bikes you have for sale, and they're lovely, and very tempting, but I think if I was to have a bike like that, I'd like to do the work myself.

    Where do you source these bikes, or is it a trade secret?

    Or do they sort of find you, now that people know you do these types of restorations


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    cletus wrote: »
    I've been looking at the bikes you have for sale, and they're lovely, and very tempting, but I think if I was to have a bike like that, I'd like to do the work myself.

    Where do you source these bikes, or is it a trade secret?

    Or do they sort of find you, now that people know you do these types of restorations


    No secret at all. I'd be delighted to see more people tackle a restoration.



    I do keep a loose eye on the likes of adverts and donedeal, when I'm looking for projects. A lot of stuff listed is very overpriced but there are gems to be found occasionally, if you're willing to do the restoration work yourself.


    There are a couple of sellers on Facebook who I would have no hesitation in recommending, also.



    Sometimes, I get lucky and literally stumble across bikes that are worth restoring.


    Other times, a bike might be shot to pieces but the components are salvageable.



    This is definitely not a hobby to be in if you're trying to make a profit.


    Some people find it more profitable to buy a vintage bike, strip it down and sell it piece by piece, which I feel is both a bit mercenary...and a damn shame.


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    A little update..

    I had Good Friday off work, so when the sun's out, the rattlecans come out!

    SNEL ex Dutch team frame and RIH steel frame: both now have their first two layers of high build primer, over the etch primer applied at the blasters.

    This brings out every little detail on the frames and shows the craftsmanship that goes into them.

    (Both are sitting on the radiators in the hallway for the next week, when I'll rub them back with 800 grit, ready for another couple of coats of primer! She's a very patient woman, I tell ya!)

    Pic attached is the sexy Cinelli 'Spoiler' BB shell from the SNEL.


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    I also finished the contrasting colour bands on a friend's 1960 Mercian frame.

    Base colour is groove-tastic Ford Purple Velvet metallic, once an colour option on Mk1 Escorts and also Cortinas of that era.

    Band and head-tube insert colour is Old English White, which is more of a pale cream. there will be reproduction decals added to these panels, before the frame goes to the bodyshop for proper water based clear lacquer to give it the final gloss and protection.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    8valve wrote: »
    I also finished the contrasting colour bands on a friend's 1960 Mercian frame.

    Base colour is groove-tastic Ford Purple Velvet metallic, once an colour option on Mk1 Escorts and also Cortinas of that era.

    Band and head-tube insert colour is Old English White, which is more of a pale cream. there will be reproduction decals added to these panels, before the frame goes to the bodyshop for proper water based clear lacquer to give it the final gloss and protection.

    I see someone has finally found a use for a hospital crutch which the HSE usually refuse to take back:):)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭8valve


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    I see someone has finally found a use for a hospital crutch which the HSE usually refuse to take back:):)


    the crutch is vintage too.


    a leftover from de mammy's last hip replacement!


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