Scotland vs Wales 6n 2021

razorblunt

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's part of the law on the tackled player having to release the ball. By rights, any opposition player that gets their hands on the ball (legally) should get the penalty if the tackled player doesn't release it instantly. But that doesn't happen and so you get the impacts. Some refs are getting better at blowing it up quickly, but they all need to do it all the time.

I agree, the referees need to look at themselves too, the player on the floor can hold on for an age. Generally it will get punished when the poaches survives the first clear out and puts his hands on the floor and it’s a penalty against him. Ball should be presented back and hands away sharpish.

I remember Martin Johnson on the 2001 Lions video saying “put the ball back, trust the boys, they’ll take care of itl. Needs to go back to a similar approach .

thomond2006

Wayne Pivac changed the halfbacks with 30 minutes remaining. It's not often you see it and despite Sheedy missing a relatively easy conversion it seemed to pay off.

razorblunt

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Look at that bump on A.W.J.s head! Surely that's a H.I.A. , even if the game is over.

Hanging out on the wing too, should have been hooked.
Between that and Jake Ball giving him a shiner he has a head like a boxers punch bag.

kilns

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's not probable but it's very possible in my view. They host England in two weeks. England are not great, though with another game into the undercooked Saracens players there might be an improvement from them. Italy in Week 4 is a training run. Then it's one game against France!

You are forgetting Wales are god damn awful but for two red cards they would be bottom of the table in crisis with Italy fancying their chances against them

snotboogie

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

The media fawning over Hogg and Russell is unbearable. Russell was brutal last week and many had him down as being a pivotal part of Scotland controlling the game when he really is a liability. The Rugby Union weekly were naming all the Scots that should be on the Lions starting team after 1 game! This is why the Scots can never complain about having no test lions, because they are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to backing up their big performances.

Very harsh on Hogg and Russell haha. I thought Russell was class today, kept finding ways to unlock the Welsh defence, he put them in a position to win the game with the final play. Hogg should have been MOTM.

penybont exile

Well ..... that was enjoyable.

Some bad, some good, (sprinkled with a touch of star dust) ..... but most importantly we got over the line .......just.

This team is almost being built on the battle field ..... we finished the game with a lot of young players on the field ..... to be fair they fought like hell & delivered.

I love the fact that they are 'terrible' etc. We'll be underdogs again in two weeks .... shame they'll be no crowd to see it .... the old enemy in Cardiff for the TC is gonna be some game.

The bench players made a big impact today. Established players now know it's open season on their jerseys. This could be a very exciting time for Welsh rugby over the next couple of years as there are some real prospects getting good experience now or are just under the radar .... soon to arrive.

Great to see Ellis Jenkins back on the field last night too ...... if we can get Anscombe back we'll be in great shape.

Liam, LRZ, North, J Williams, Adams, Sheedy/Biggar, Hardie/Davies ..... Halaholo on the bench ...... not a bad back line for England.

Obviously we've no chance of beating them ..........

prawnsambo

kilns wrote: »

You are forgetting Wales are god damn awful but for two red cards they would be bottom of the table in crisis with Italy fancying their chances against them

Eddie O'Sullivan used to say that you always needed a little bit of luck to win the 6N. He's sitting at home at the moment saying "Not that much, nobody gets that much"

RugbyLover123

snotboogie wrote: »

Very harsh on Hogg and Russell haha. I thought Russell was class today, kept finding ways to unlock the Welsh defence, he put them in a position to win the game with the final play. Hogg should have been MOTM.

Maybe I am being overly critical but I’m not seeing the consistent level of performances that warrant them being talked about in the way they are. I mean Russell is talked by some about being a Lions 10 and best 10 in the world and I’m after seeing Andy Goode on Twitter has Hogg as the second best in the world at the moment after Dupont!

I will admit Hogg was class the last day and good again today but I’ve watched him in almost every game since the re-start for both Scotland and Exeter and his game is littered with small little mistakes like poor passes, kicks out on the full, drop balls, but he will have 1 decent run or a try every few games that covers it all up. I didn’t think he was particularly impressive for Exeter in either of their successes.

Russell is capable of the sublime but for every good thing he does he probably has about 10 brain farts. Funnily enough, leg trip aside, I think the most consistent part of his game is his defence. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near a Lions test team and I don’t think Gatland would either.

They both epitomise Scotland for me. Capable of brilliance but ultimately lack being able to back it up even week after week, never mind tournament after tournament.

Lost Ormond

Venjur wrote: »

Much of the time a HIA is performed. At the same time if someone shoots at me and misses, I don't need to be checked for gunshot wounds, that doesn't mean I haven't been shot at.

Reckless play is reckless play - if you put a player in serious jeopardy you should be sanctioned.



Some players are idiots who continually fall foul of the same rules.

On HIAs. Quote taken from a facebook group im in and this is from someone who is a doc involved in the game as an independent match day doctor

I am a doctor who evaluates such things as an independent match day doctor. Not only that but I train the team doctors and physios for England Rugby. What happens is at least 5 pairs of eyes pour over the video footage and following clear criteria decide if the patient has suffered a definite head injury, a possible head injury, or often no evidence of a head injury. This video assessment can be triangulated by an on field assessment. If that players team doctor OR the IMDD OR the referee are not sure the patient comes off for an assessment. Commonly video review means that they meet certain criteria where brain injury is so likely they stay off and do not have a formal HIA 1. More commonly if suspected an HIA1 is done and it is very easy to meetvthe criteria for Permanent Removal. My figures suggest more people stay off than return to play. We are very cautious! So, in short, if not taken off then there must be overwhelming evidence of there being no impairment. Further, our work is forensically reviewed to ensure we are practising safe medicine. It is a sophisticated process.

leakyboots

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

Hogg deserves to be fawned over. He's the best fullback in world rugby. Russel once again showing he can't handle the pressure situations however.

He's arguably the best full back in the northern hemisphere for the last decade. Player of the tournament twice and on the way to a third.

.ak

My SkyGo died.

How much did Scotland win by?

TomsOnTheRoof

leakyboots wrote: »

He's arguably the best full back in the northern hemisphere for the last decade. Player of the tournament twice and on the way to a third.

I'd agree with that. The only ones that come close are Halfpenny and Kearney and as good as they were on their day I'd take Hogg.

.ak

Joey Carberry is the best 15 in NH rugby and I’ll hear no more on the subject.

ersatz

molloyjh wrote: »

England were a lot better today than last week. In 2 weeks they'll be better again. Wales have needed red cards in order to win both games. As long as England don't give them that I can't see Wales beating them. They really aren't that good.

I also have no idea how France could be "demoralised" come the final round. They will likely have won at least 3 games and be playing for the title....

England got a joyride off the ref today, May's try might have been called back for jumping over a tackle, they got an intercept try off a brainless pass and Italy, for all the promise they show, lacked the incision and killer instinct needed to really press them. Scotland, who aren't great, undid them last week by physically matching them. Wales and France will be a lot tougher for England. Itoje alone makes them a much better team than they otherwise are. I thought both Ford and Farrell were very underwhelming today.

As for Wales I'm guessing that string of terrible results is behind them, they've had a bit of luck with the cards but they also played well enough to score tries and win. And they have some incredible young talent coming along. They are looking like a team with room to improve and momentum. Even North is playing well these days.

leakyboots

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

I'd agree with that. The only ones that come close are Halfpenny and Kearney and as good as they were on their day I'd take Hogg.

Those two were solid, RK was good in the air and great positional sense. Poor tackler for an international fullback. Hoggs defence isn't great but his attack is sensational. Super boot too. Depends what you want but give me Hogg every day of the week.

swiwi_

penybont exile wrote: »

Well ..... that was enjoyable.

Some bad, some good, (sprinkled with a touch of star dust) ..... but most importantly we got over the line .......just.

This team is almost being built on the battle field ..... we finished the game with a lot of young players on the field ..... to be fair they fought like hell & delivered.

I love the fact that they are 'terrible' etc. We'll be underdogs again in two weeks .... shame they'll be no crowd to see it .... the old enemy in Cardiff for the TC is gonna be some game.

The bench players made a big impact today. Established players now know it's open season on their jerseys. This could be a very exciting time for Welsh rugby over the next couple of years as there are some real prospects getting good experience now or are just under the radar .... soon to arrive.

Great to see Ellis Jenkins back on the field last night too ...... if we can get Anscombe back we'll be in great shape.

Liam, LRZ, North, J Williams, Adams, Sheedy/Biggar, Hardie/Davies ..... Halaholo on the bench ...... not a bad back line for England.

Obviously we've no chance of beating them ..........

Wales were decent enough in the 2nd half, albeit with a man advantage. Wouldn’t be overly surprised if you beat England and Italy is a formality. If you get the slam it’d more be a reflection of the quality this year rather the sign of a great Wales team I would think.

penybont exile

swiwi_ wrote: »

Wales were decent enough in the 2nd half, albeit with a man advantage. Wouldn’t be overly surprised if you beat England and Italy is a formality. If you get the slam it’d more be a reflection of the quality this year rather the sign of a great Wales team I would think.

We're a long way from a GS ..... however we're progressing nicely & finding out who can cut at this level and who can't.

Also ... there is very little talk in Wales of a GS ..... will be different if we turn over England though.

'Reflection of the quality this year ... " is a clichéd, cheap comment usually rolled out when England (and more recently) Ireland fail miserably ......

Take you back to another era, another sport. '82 football world cup. Italy were average early on, failing to win any of their group games yet they made the next round and the rest is history. My point is that at that point in that tournament you could easily say the same thing about them. Yet that was a great WC & the Italians worthy winners.

If we do the slam we'll be worthy winners. We'll have knocked over the French in their own back yard ..... only last week they were the best thing since (insert suitable useful invention) ......

At this moment in time I'm not expecting a clean sweep ...... however by 5pm today we might be the only team left in that particular race ....

errlloyd

Take wins as they come for sure. But for years now Welsh fans have bemoaned the injustice of Warburton's red and how it surely denied them the win that day. If a championship win this year makes you worth winners, then in that semi final you were worthy losers too.

This is three huge games in the last 18 months that Wales were well on track to lose, when a red card let them back into it. I'm bitter because I can't remember the last time Ireland caught such an unbelievably lucky break in one game, never mind three.

hahashake

Pivac immensely lucky, though this may buy him enough time to build a better team.

LRZ a real talent.

Digifriendly

You can only beat what's in front of you as they say. Also Wales had a lot of injuries going into this match. If they beat England they have a Triple Crown. I would expect them to defeat Italy so even if they lose in Paris 4 out of 5 would be a good return and would leave them in with a chance of winning the title as France have yet to go to Twickenham and could still slip up today.

Dickie10

id love wales to win slam be some turnaround, media always seem to whinge about them. there a brilliant rugby nation.