Netherlands v Ireland COVID

ThunbergsAreGo

irelandrover wrote: »

I understand how it would help mental health. I managed to play one game of soccer in 12 months. At least you can still train for your sport. I can't go to the gym or train for the sport i play.
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I miss this so much!!

irelandrover

Chivito550 wrote: »

The thing is I can't train for my sport. I'm a sprinter so I need access to a track and gym, neither of which I have access to anymore. It's the same for jumpers and throwers. Admittedly distance runners are less impacted. But not all of us runners are distance runners.

Sprinting on paths, grass and roads is the equivalent of practicing your tennis against the wall of a house. There's very little you get from it.

You are focusing on just a few aspects of the Dutch policy and its the ones that would benefit you while ignoring the ones that are bad.

Your initial post said the police wouldnt hassle you asking where you are going, instead the police have the powers to stop and search you without any reason.

You brought up the 5km thing but ignore the curfew. How you can meet one person a day even inside your house but ignore that it is only one person, my parents in law cant visit as only one of them would be allowed in the house.

Some aspects of the dutch policies are better, some aspects of the irish policies are better.

We did not have restaurants and bars open before christmas. All pubs are closed here since October.

BTownB

irelandrover wrote: »

You are focusing on just a few aspects of the Dutch policy and its the ones that would benefit you while ignoring the ones that are bad.

Your initial post said the police wouldnt hassle you asking where you are going, instead the police have the powers to stop and search you without any reason.

You brought up the 5km thing but ignore the curfew. How you can meet one person a day even inside your house but ignore that it is only one person, my parents in law cant visit as only one of them would be allowed in the house.

Some aspects of the dutch policies are better, some aspects of the irish policies are better.

We did not have restaurants and bars open before christmas. All pubs are closed here since October.

Would prefer a curfew to the 5k rule. You can get out and about, see people, visit family but disincentivises night time meet ups and parties.

ZeRoY

France has a Curfew also, stricter 6pm - 6am with 6 person visits maximum, movement limit outside of work is 20km - I would tend to agree that the 5km limit is too little, 20km seems a lot more flexible for forest walks, mountains walks, fishing, etc...

Chivito550

irelandrover wrote: »

You are focusing on just a few aspects of the Dutch policy and its the ones that would benefit you while ignoring the ones that are bad.

Your initial post said the police wouldnt hassle you asking where you are going, instead the police have the powers to stop and search you without any reason.

You brought up the 5km thing but ignore the curfew. How you can meet one person a day even inside your house but ignore that it is only one person, my parents in law cant visit as only one of them would be allowed in the house.

Some aspects of the dutch policies are better, some aspects of the irish policies are better.

We did not have restaurants and bars open before christmas. All pubs are closed here since October.

I did acknowledge the curfew in my OP to be fair. I should have been specific about police not hassling people about where they are going during the day. Do the police stop people there on their way to work?

And I take your points. I don't see many aspects of Ireland's current lockdown that are better than the Netherlands' current lockdown though. What have we currently got that you would like? The ability to go for a night walk at 10pm in freezing cold? Would you sacrifice being able to visit a friend in their home outside of 5km for that? Would you sacrifice the ability to see a different person each day for that?

Chivito550

BTownB wrote: »

Would prefer a curfew to the 5k rule. You can get out and about, see people, visit family but disincentivises night time meet ups and parties.

Yep I'd happily take curfew over 5km rule and other silly rules around outdoor athletics tracks.

There's nothing to do at night anyway, so would make sod all difference to most of us.

Essential journeys and work could still happen at night.

irelandrover

Chivito550 wrote: »

I did acknowledge the curfew in my OP to be fair. I should have been specific about police not hassling people about where they are going during the day. Do the police stop people there on their way to work?

And I take your points. I don't see many aspects of Ireland's current lockdown that are better than the Netherlands' current lockdown though. What have we currently got that you would like? The ability to go for a night walk at 10pm in freezing cold? Would you sacrifice bring able to visit a friend in their home outside of 5km for that? Would you sacrifice the ability to see a different person each day for that?

I would sacrifice being able to visit friends outside the 5km. All my friends here live within 5km so thats an easy one.

Honestly, being able to go to the shop at 8:30 for a beer would be great after a hard day, being able to go for a walk in the fresh air after my kid is in bed would be great for my mental health. Would i sacrifice visiting a different friend every day for that, yes i would.

Chivito550

irelandrover wrote: »

I would sacrifice being able to visit friends outside the 5km. All my friends here live within 5km so thats an easy one.

Honestly, being able to go to the shop at 8:30 for a beer would be great after a hard day, being able to go for a walk in the fresh air after my kid is in bed would be great for my mental health. Would i sacrifice visiting a different friend every day for that, yes i would.

Fair enough. I suspect if we took a poll on it, more would rather your restrictions than ours.

There's ways around your problems (buy your beer when the shop is open). There's no way around ours.

But could we really be arsed.

Chivito550

irelandrover wrote: »

I would sacrifice being able to visit friends outside the 5km. All my friends here live within 5km so thats an easy one.

Honestly, being able to go to the shop at 8:30 for a beer would be great after a hard day, being able to go for a walk in the fresh air after my kid is in bed would be great for my mental health. Would i sacrifice visiting a different friend every day for that, yes i would.

By the way we can't even visit friends within 5km here either. We can't visit ANYBODY.

HermioneJean

Are schools and hospitals and dentists and museums open?

quokula

Netherlands has suffered more covid deaths per capita than Ireland. Ireland had stronger economic growth than Netherlands in 2020. Ireland's vaccine rollout is currently 60% ahead of the Netherlands.

As has been pointed out, some aspects of restrictions are more stringent in the Netherlands and others are more relaxed. It is a different country with different demographics, different housing arrangements, different infrastructure and many other things.

irelandrover

irelandrover wrote: »

I would sacrifice being able to visit friends outside the 5km. All my friends here live within 5km so thats an easy one.

You couldn't legally visit any of them under our restrictions. Not even elderly parents if someone else is in a "care bubble" with them, or your own children if they don't live with you. You can meet up with one other person outside - and not in their garden, in some public area. That's it.

growleaves

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Irish people have shown they can’t and shouldn’t be trusted.

If you are an Irish person then your statement is logically self-refuting.

The_Brood

Is it time then maybe to admit that we are simply a horrible society as a people, who deserve this government, deserve this lockdown and this misery, and deserve everything bad that happens to us?

"Every nation has problems" is the easy response, but if our issues have materialised into endless lockdown and misery, that says something.

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growleaves wrote: »

If you are an Irish person then your statement is logically self-refuting.

You know well what I mean.

IQO

https://twitter.com/annaholligan/status/1361611951986606080

https://twitter.com/HaagseRechtbank/status/1361606845580906498

A group called "Virus Madness" in The Netherlands opened a courtcase against the state and the 9pm curfew in The Netherlands, and won - so it looks like the evening curfew is going away.

Would like to see something similar against the restrictions in Ireland (f.e. the 5km or the 2000 euro fines at the airport), and see what a court will say about that here.

irelandrover

Deleted User wrote: »

You couldn't legally visit any of them under our restrictions. Not even elderly parents if someone else is in a "care bubble" with them, or your own children if they don't live with you. You can meet up with one other person outside - and not in their garden, in some public area. That's it.

That's the case now. Would you have swapped the freedom over christmas knowing that afterwards you'd have stricter restrictions?

Id have loved to be able to meet friends in bars or restarants leading up to christmas. that wasnt possible here.

You can't just look at restrictions now in isolation. You have to look at how the country deals in total with the pandemic.

Now that the curfew is lifted here the situation in Netherlands looks a lot better than ireland. However Ireland is vacinating at a faster rate than here so are likely out of restrictions earlier.

I regurgitate the news

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56084466

A groups named Virus Truth took the Dutch government to court over the curfew and won. The court said this curfew needs to be lifted right away.

Dutch government are appealing and urging people to respect the curfew even if their appear fails.

banie01

I regurgitate the news wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56084466

A groups named Virus Truth took the Dutch government to court over the curfew and won. The court said this curfew needs to be lifted right away.

Dutch government are appealing and urging people to respect the curfew even if their appear fails.

It's already been overturned afaik.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/16/dutch-court-orders-government-lift-covid-curfew

The curfew stays as is, with a further hearing on Friday.

I regurgitate the news

banie01 wrote: »

It's already been overturned afaik.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/16/dutch-court-orders-government-lift-covid-curfew

The curfew stays as is, with a further hearing on Friday.

Yes, sorry I understood that. Nothing has changed based on the government's appeal for the moment.

Beasty

Threads merged

IQO

Weather gets better, scenes today in Amsterdam

https://twitter.com/avancampen/status/1364606312303190021

https://twitter.com/JornLuka/status/1364611070887870464

https://twitter.com/AT5/status/1364612425421570057

ThunbergsAreGo

IQO wrote: »

Weather gets better, scenes today in Amsterdam

https://twitter.com/avancampen/status/1364606312303190021

https://twitter.com/JornLuka/status/1364611070887870464

https://twitter.com/AT5/status/1364612425421570057

Love Amsterdam, would love to be there at the moment!

Really underrated City