Slatted tank construction costs

farmer2018

What costs would you be looking at per slatted tank with 12"6 slats non grant spec for a yard? Local contractor labour.

blue5000

Moved from suckler cow wintering thread.

Edit; it's been 10 years since I did one, ballpark figures are about €200 per foot run. It will vary on where you buy slats from, (shop around), where you are located and how much steel you use.

Limestone Cowboy

What size tank?

farmer2018

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

What size tank?

Roughly 20ftL x 10ftW x 7ftD

tellmeabit

Go deeper would be the one thing I would say, extra storage well worth it

Good loser

farmer2018 wrote: »

Roughly 20ftL x 10ftW x 7ftD

That's very short,
Would you consider 30 ft - two bays?

Cavanjack

For a 4 bay tank with 12’6 slat labour should be round €4K including digging, pouring walls and fixing steel. Slats would be €3.5k. Concrete would be under €4K. All plus vat.
Standard 8’ tank is the norm as that’s the size of most shuttering pans

josephsoap

Cavanjack wrote: »

For a 4 bay tank with 12’6 slat labour should be round €4K including digging, pouring walls and fixing steel. Slats would be €3.5k. Concrete would be under €4K. All plus vat.
Standard 8’ tank is the norm as that’s the size of most shuttering pans

Would going up to a 14 ft 6’’ slat increase the costs a lot ?

The11Duff

josephsoap wrote: »

Would going up to a 14 ft 6’’ slat increase the costs a lot ?

No it would only increase cost by a couple of hundred. Well worth it in my experience

Cavanjack

josephsoap wrote: »

Would going up to a 14 ft 6’’ slat increase the costs a lot ?

No. The tank will get cheaper per m3 the bigger it gets.

farmer2018

Good loser wrote: »

That's very short,
Would you consider 30 ft - two bays?

I would yes. I want to get a all in cost

lakill Farm

josephsoap wrote: »

Would going up to a 14 ft 6’’ slat increase the costs a lot ?

only a small price difference between a 12ft 6 and 14ft 6 but massive difference between 14ft6 and 16ft 6

Im going at a L shape tank at the moment. 3 bay x 17ft 9 so 54ft long 12ft 9 slat to match existing shed.

Slats €2500
digging out im doing myself by about €600 to dig out only
draw away the spoil is expensive but I am drawing it 2.5km to a friends lawn and he is paying diesel costs
23m3 for walls at €78 m3 for 35n from quarry with conveyor
14m3 for the floor I will mix myself €500
steel I haven't a price for yet (Starter bars and sheets for the walls) none going in the floor.
shuttering the walls , again im just waiting on a price from a contractor to shutter tank

Starting to dig it next week . plan is tank in ground and slats on it for end of may. roofed and ready for Halloween

curiousinvestor

I did a 60 foot long, 14,6 tractor slats , two agi slats, 3 years ago. Slats were € 5k. Banagher slats .
I want more slats ( really cant say I need em) so I'm looking at options at d moment also.

Bass Reeves

lakill Farm wrote: »

only a small price difference between a 12ft 6 and 14ft 6 but massive difference between 14ft6 and 16ft 6

Two things add volume to s tank, width and depth. Going from 14'6'' to 16'6'' adds 14% to volume. Going from 7'-8' dept gives 15% more volume. Going from 8'-10' dept adds over 25% of volume when free board is taken into account. While 16'6''slats are more expensive per sq meter your other extra are fixed.

When building a tank I go depth and width to get volume especially in area where land can struggle to take slurry in February.

lakill Farm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Two things add volume to s tank, width and depth. Going from 14'6'' to 16'6'' adds 14% to volume. Going from 7'-8' dept gives 15% more volume. Going from 8'-10' dept adds over 25% of volume when free board is taken into account. While 16'6''slats are more expensive per sq meter your other extra are fixed.

When building a tank I go depth and width to get volume especially in area where land can struggle to take slurry in February.

Im going 8ft deep and 1 bay of the L is 12ft 6 the 2 bays running at a 90 degree angle are 14ft 9. That was advice of the lad I asked to shutter the walls. He said stick 36ft of that tank in 14ft slats you never know when you can use the capacity

it will have easy access for an artic so ill get to fill all tanks with pig slurry if I ever want or need to

mr.stonewall

Long term, Slurry storage requirements are going to be increased, it is the current theme for the dairy guys, with the talks of covered thanks. I personally I see the closed period at the moment, being extended by maybe up to 4 weeks, This will serve 2 purposes for the Dept, improving water quality as their will be less pressure spreading in early spring, Secondly it will for a quota on stock numbers, you either build storage or reduce numbers

hopeso

farmer2018 wrote: »

What costs would you be looking at per slatted tank with 12"6 slats non grant spec for a yard? Local contractor labour.

farmer2018 wrote: »

Roughly 20ftL x 10ftW x 7ftD

Why are you putting 12'6 slats on a 10' wide tank?

As others have said, go 8' deep, and build the tank wide enough for the 12'6 slats too.

Good loser

UOTE=hopeso;116245578]Why are you putting 12'6 slats on a 10' wide tank?

As others have said, go 8' deep, and build the tank wide enough for the 12'6 slats too.[/QUOTE]

Good question there.

Tank should be 11' 6" wide for 12' 6" slats i.e. 6" resting on the walls each side.

As said above 14' 6" slats good value; of course there would be a little more concrete (2 ft) in end walls and floor.

As far as I can see most people dig and draw away spoil, keeping some for backfill as a separate contract. Watch water table and dig a drain away if ncy.

Options then are to get someone with panels and extension load-all to do tank and possibly supervise laying slats - with delivery lorry from supplier.
Floor will go in day 1 with steel bars, day 2 install panels and pour rmc agitated, day 3 up and away. Also this concrete man will do finishes including bases for pillars, any walls and flooring.

A separate supplier might do steelwork supply and erection including roof, side sheeting and overhang.

That would be two or three contractors or the last two might be done by one farm building specialist.

farmer2018

Its 10"5 ft internal width the tank and the depth is 7"8 deep.

josephsoap

lakill Farm wrote: »

only a small price difference between a 12ft 6 and 14ft 6 but massive difference between 14ft6 and 16ft 6

Does going up to a 16ft 6 slat increase cost a lot when putting in a slatted tank?

How many suckers cow would you fit in a bay with a 16 ft 6 slat?

hopeso

farmer2018 wrote: »

Its 10"5 ft internal width the tank and the depth is 7"8 deep.

11'6 slats should be fine for that width....

lakill Farm

josephsoap wrote: »

Does going up to a 16ft 6 slat increase cost a lot when putting in a slatted tank?

How many suckers cow would you fit in a bay with a 16 ft 6 slat?

the tank costs wont be to much but the price difference between a 14ft 6 and 16ft 6 is approx. 50% more according to the place im buying them

The lad shuttering the tank told me its cheaper to add a bay on than increasing the length of slat

FeelTheBern

josephsoap wrote: »

Does going up to a 16ft 6 slat increase cost a lot when putting in a slatted tank?

How many suckers cow would you fit in a bay with a 16 ft 6 slat?

You’d fit 10/11 handy enough. Just that they could be bullying to get at the feed space as not all could eat at one time. We used have 12/13 cows in a single 24 foot deep pen with calves going in and out. Got on the finest once silage always available in front of them.

Bass Reeves

FeelTheBern wrote: »

You’d fit 10/11 handy enough. Just that they could be bullying to get at the feed space as not all could eat at one time. We used have 12/13 cows in a single 24 foot deep pen with calves going in and out. Got on the finest once silage always available in front of them.

Unless you go for lie stocking densities or 10' slats you will never have enough headspace for cows in any pen. The issue with needing headspace is often an issue with silage. DM of silage is often overlooked in the rush for quality. When you add in that the quality of silage that Suckler cows require depends on the fat score at housing. Suckler cows will consume an inordinate amount of DM.

If your silage is low DM cows will spend an inordinate amount of time at the feedface. With large pens it important to have high DM silage so cows do not have to spend all the day trying to consume enough DM to fill their stomachs.

I moved from feeding second cut to first cut. The first cut is higher DM. The stores are much more content. There is less barging when new bales are put in

josephsoap

FeelTheBern wrote: »

You’d fit 10/11 handy enough. Just that they could be bullying to get at the feed space as not all could eat at one time. We used have 12/13 cows in a single 24 foot deep pen with calves going in and out. Got on the finest once silage always available in front of them.

I’d say you could even put a barrier front and back with size of slat to be increase feeding space - maybe a 7.5 Ft gate at the back and 7.5 ft feeding barrier at the back.

whelan2

I got the one lad to do everything on my shed concrete and steel,sheeting and tank. I was talking to him the other day and sheeting can't be got. Steel is gone very expensive too. With brexit. Was handy to have the 1 person doing everything so I wasn't waiting on someone else

Dunedin

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Two things add volume to s tank, width and depth. Going from 14'6'' to 16'6'' adds 14% to volume. Going from 7'-8' dept gives 15% more volume. Going from 8'-10' dept adds over 25% of volume when free board is taken into account. While 16'6''slats are more expensive per sq meter your other extra are fixed.

When building a tank I go depth and width to get volume especially in area where land can struggle to take slurry in February.

I went with 14’6” slats and a 9 foot tank. Land here is heavy so always a struggle to get out with slurry in January.

Have 1 foot space left so very glad of it at the moment

Bass Reeves

Dunedin wrote: »

I went with 14’6” slats and a 9 foot tank. Land here is heavy so always a struggle to get out with slurry in January.

Have 1 foot space left so very glad of it at the moment

I have two tanks. One is 4 bay, 16'6'' slats. If it's empty in mid October and cattle are housed late October average it will carry 60 stores without emptying until March. No meal fed only silage. Other tank was put into n after shed was build. It is 12'6'' inside and 50'. It 8'6'' deep. It has 30 stores in it since late October. It will be about 12-16'' from the top by mid March. I could squeeze 100 store into the shed and be ok slurry wise. It great not having to be rushing out with slurry. As well I usually get great value when I spread it in April on the silage ground.

blue5000

Dunedin wrote: »

I went with 14’6” slats and a 9 foot tank. Land here is heavy so always a struggle to get out with slurry in January.

Have 1 foot space left so very glad of it at the moment

+1.

Have one 9 foot tank here too and have often pumped slurry or dropped a few loads from another tank into it in a wet spring. It's one tank that I always try to have empty in the back end. Collecting water off a silage pit is very unpredictable. The first empty silage pit would usually have dung tipped into it before mid January and effluent from that is collected in slats.

50HX

whelan2 wrote: »

I got the one lad to do everything on my shed concrete and steel,sheeting and tank. I was talking to him the other day and sheeting can't be got. Steel is gone very expensive too. With brexit. Was handy to have the 1 person doing everything so I wasn't waiting on someone else

This is true

2 more hikes on steel to come yet

Sheating is moving again, the hold up was getting the rolls in

I know 2 big enough engineering firms that can'take get box iron at present

ldcoupe

Have just applied for planning for a 45ft x 45ft A frame shed (closed in with 2 doors at front for feed passage and cleaning creep). 3 Bay slat (15ft), creep(15ft) , passage (15ft) approx. Have only started getting quotations on same. The only quote I have got back is for a local contractor to do all concrete work. (3 tanks,concrete floor and to shutter the walls). He has quoted €8000+vat for just labour, not including digging it out, Thats €40 per hour + vat. Is it just me or does this seem on the high side?

The complete cost of the build going by my teagasc man is €40k excl vat for the shed

Would love to know your thoughts on this and would anyone have any idea of what is a realistic final cost

Tileman

ldcoupe wrote: »

Have just applied for planning for a 45ft x 45ft A frame shed (closed in with 2 doors at front for feed passage and cleaning creep). 3 Bay slat (15ft), creep(15ft) , passage (15ft) approx. Have only started getting quotations on same. The only quote I have got back is for a local contractor to do all concrete work. (3 tanks,concrete floor and to shutter the walls). He has quoted €8000+vat for just labour, not including digging it out, Thats €40 per hour + vat. Is it just me or does this seem on the high side?

The complete cost of the build going by my teagasc man is €40k excl vat for the shed

Would love to know your thoughts on this and would anyone have any idea of what is a realistic final cost

Seems high. But due to covid , there is a serious backlog on jobs and. Lads are throwing out huge quotes. Allot of tams approved jobs in the pipeline. Allot of dairy investment and lads can pick and choose jobs.

Cavanjack

ldcoupe wrote: »

Have just applied for planning for a 45ft x 45ft A frame shed (closed in with 2 doors at front for feed passage and cleaning creep). 3 Bay slat (15ft), creep(15ft) , passage (15ft) approx. Have only started getting quotations on same. The only quote I have got back is for a local contractor to do all concrete work. (3 tanks,concrete floor and to shutter the walls). He has quoted €8000+vat for just labour, not including digging it out, Thats €40 per hour + vat. Is it just me or does this seem on the high side?

The complete cost of the build going by my teagasc man is €40k excl vat for the shed

Would love to know your thoughts on this and would anyone have any idea of what is a realistic final cost

Seems like a reasonable price. That’s a good big tank.

lab man

Leave it this way I'm near finished doing a lean too extension and the prices are shocking for material to do a end roughly 24 ft
4 6x3
3 x12 ft sheets
3x11 ft sheets
1x 10 ft sheet
1 x11ft 7x4 rsj for centre of the roof to ground
650 euros

ldcoupe

Cavanjack wrote: »

Seems like a reasonable price. That’s a good big tank.

You could be right. I genuinely wouldnt have a clue of the cost of labour for this. Just when you incl digging the site also Its prob going to cost me 10k plus vat labour, a alot of stone to break.

Bass Reeves

ldcoupe wrote: »

Have just applied for planning for a 45ft x 45ft A frame shed (closed in with 2 doors at front for feed passage and cleaning creep). 3 Bay slat (15ft), creep(15ft) , passage (15ft) approx. Have only started getting quotations on same. The only quote I have got back is for a local contractor to do all concrete work. (3 tanks,concrete floor and to shutter the walls). He has quoted €8000+vat for just labour, not including digging it out, Thats €40 per hour + vat. Is it just me or does this seem on the high side?

The complete cost of the build going by my teagasc man is €40k excl vat for the shed

Would love to know your thoughts on this and would anyone have any idea of what is a realistic final cost

Is that one three bay tank.

Cavanjack

ldcoupe wrote: »

You could be right. I genuinely wouldnt have a clue of the cost of labour for this. Just when you incl digging the site also Its prob going to cost me 10k plus vat labour, a alot of stone to break.

Did a tank that size 13 years ago. Well it was 50x45 with two spine walls. The labour including digging was €10k just for the tank. There’s a good bit in it especially if it’s a grant job. There’s a lot of steel to tie also.

ldcoupe

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Is that one three bay tank.

Yes just 1 x 3 bay tank.

Cavanjack

ldcoupe wrote: »

Yes just 1 x 3 bay tank.

I took it as 3 tanks under 45x45 of a shed. That price seems high so. One weeks work for two men would do that tank and a day would dig it out of the ground wasn’t too bad.

Bass Reeves

ldcoupe wrote: »

Yes just 1 x 3 bay tank.

10k sounds very expensive for it. I did a 3 bay tank 5-6 years ago and it cost 3400 and that.inc steel and Vat. You need about 50 cubes of concrete about 4.5k+ vat. It was will well exceed 40k cost if you pay that for concrete work. Are you closing in the shed completely. Floors will require about 11 cubes and walls about 45 cubes if you do it all around. I presume the slats are in the middle of the he shed, If the feed passage is on northern or NE side of shed I would not bother closing it in or sheeting the sides. I actually pull back the I beams 6-8' and leave that side of the shed open. A wall on the western side of the feed passage is handy.

ldcoupe

Bass Reeves wrote: »

10k sounds very expensive for it. I did a 3 bay tank 5-6 years ago and it cost 3400 and that.inc steel and Vat. You need about 50 cubes of concrete about 4.5k+ vat. It was will well exceed 40k cost if you pay that for concrete work. Are you closing in the shed completely. Floors will require about 11 cubes and walls about 45 cubes if you do it all around. I presume the slats are in the middle of the he shed, If the feed passage is on northern or NE side of shed I would not bother closing it in or sheeting the sides. I actually pull back the I beams 6-8' and leave that side of the shed open. A wall on the western side of the feed passage is handy.

Thanks a mlll for all the info. Yes going toclose in complete with 2 doors at front. 1 on left for feed passage and 1 on right for access to creep.

A neighbour paid €2800 incl vat to dig out and labour for a 3 bay tank (same as mine) only 6 months ago. Thats why I thought price was very expensive.

ldcoupe

ldcoupe wrote: »

Thanks a mlll for all the info. Yes going toclose in complete with 2 doors at front. 1 on left for feed passage and 1 on right for access to creep.

A neighbour paid €2800 incl vat to dig out and labour for a 3 bay tank (same as mine) only 6 months ago. Thats why I thought price was very expensive.

Going to close in as up on high ground and is very windy.

Bass Reeves

ldcoupe wrote: »

Going to close in as up on high ground and is very windy.

Very little wind comes from the North. A completely closed.in shed is a disaster for peunomia. It very hard to get enough ventilation into a shed without having a side or two open. I presume it for suckler's. My own shed is completely open to the North. 50% of the eastern side is open except for a sheeted gate. If you are closing it in that much you want space sheeting or ideally a double layer of stagger boards

farmer2018

Can someone please give me an accurate price per bay for a 3 bay single shed with a double tank with a 11"6 slat x2, cost all in grant spec.

Irish Beef

Anyone got a rough price for a 3 bay tank, 8 foot deep with 14 1/2 foot slats all in, slats, concrete, labour, steel? Consider putting a shed over it later. Thanks

Dunedin

ldcoupe wrote: »

. He has quoted €8000+vat for just labour, not including digging it out, Thats €40 per hour + vat. Is it just me or does this seem on the high side?

The complete cost of the build going by my teagasc man is €40k excl vat for the shed

Would love to know your thoughts on this and would anyone have any idea of what is a realistic final cost

I got 4 bay tank dug out (9 feet deep but no rocks and all clay digging) shuttered and walls poured for €3500 including vat in May 2019. Your price seems way too high at that. No concrete included in that price.

GrasstoMilk

whelan2 wrote: »

I got the one lad to do everything on my shed concrete and steel,sheeting and tank. I was talking to him the other day and sheeting can't be got. Steel is gone very expensive too. With brexit. Was handy to have the 1 person doing everything so I wasn't waiting on someone else

Doing a 110x52 ft shed here atm, started on 24th Jan, sheeting was here last week, too windy to get it up unfortunately

lakill Farm

No one local, well within 20 mile of me that will take on a complete job.

Most of the concrete lads wont even dig out the tank, and not one seems to do the concrete and steel so your stuck with 3 different contractors , Digger & concrete & shed crews

whelan2 wrote: »

I got the one lad to do everything on my shed concrete and steel,sheeting and tank. I was talking to him the other day and sheeting can't be got. Steel is gone very expensive too. With brexit. Was handy to have the 1 person doing everything so I wasn't waiting on someone else

Bass Reeves

lakill Farm wrote: »

No one local, well within 20 mile of me that will take on a complete job.

Most of the concrete lads wont even dig out the tank, and not one seems to do the concrete and steel so your stuck with 3 different contractors , Digger & concrete & shed crews

Lads that took on the complete jobs were always at least 15-20% more expensive than subcontracting in sections. Some of the crowd doing sheds do not do penning either.

When I did my shed I had a machine, concrete man, slats supplier, shed man, electrician and lad that did the pens all separate.

GrasstoMilk

lakill Farm wrote: »

No one local, well within 20 mile of me that will take on a complete job.

Most of the concrete lads wont even dig out the tank, and not one seems to do the concrete and steel so your stuck with 3 different contractors , Digger & concrete & shed crews

Every concrete man around here digs out and does there own steel
I wouldn't be getting a a guy if he didn't dig himself and least, standing the steel isn't too hard once you get the first J bars up

Good loser

farmer2018 wrote: »

Can someone please give me an accurate price per bay for a 3 bay single shed with a double tank with a 11"6 slat x2, cost all in grant spec.

What do you mean by 'double tank'?