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Investing in shares - are you making money?

  • 06-02-2021 3:30pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭ patsy_mccabe


    A lot on here giving share tips and advice, but are of you making money?
    I'd love to here some honest accounts of long term returns.

    I'm new enough to all this. I did get in mostly on the covid dip and have held since. I don't trade as such.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ greenfield21


    Most of us are pennystock gamblers, what do you think. I'd say most are trying to figure out a way of not losing anymore money or getting back what they already lost.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭ DeanAustin


    A lot on here giving share tips and advice, but are of you making money?
    I'd love to here some honest accounts of long term returns.

    I'm new enough to all this. I did get in mostly on the covid dip and have held since. I don't trade as such.

    I'm down around 20% but it was all due to my own stupidity this week on Gamestop. Made a couple of bad decisions on it having made a good few quid on it at one point. Up to that, I was up by a small amount but I tend to buy safe stocks for the long term. Got myself caught up in the hype, got encouraged by early gains and then made two bad decisions coz I got carried away with myself.

    Most people I read that comment on their portfolio maintain that they are up but I've read that 90% of retail investors lose money so something doesn't add up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭ Wingman2010


    Investing in shares was something which always interested me. I set up a Degiro account last year but I only started trading the first week of January. I’m up 16.5% so I’m very happy with that. I’ve a very diversified portfolio (23 stocks currently) and that’s one tip I would give to anyone doing it. If I wasn’t working from home I probably wouldn’t have time to be doing this! I have really enjoyed the experience so far anyways. It beats the interest rates in banks anyways once you have a well diversified portfolio and you didn’t get caught out the wrong side of GameStop etc!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭ daheff


    I've a mixed bag of investments

    Made money on BOI, CRH, Volkswagen, fresenius, Unilever over the years


    Lost money on BOI, Deutsche Bank, Wirecard,
    Currently small loss(unrealized) on GME

    Also made money on RABO funds back in the day ....good time in a rising market.

    No life changing gains or losses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,544 ✭✭✭✭ Supercell


    I'm a degenerate gambler except in my PRSA where I mostly put CEF's (Investment Trusts) and REITs for slow and steady gains over the years hopefully.
    My wife's account (which i operate for tax reasons) was up about 30% last year. I tend to be a bit more cautious with my gambling there as she would bend my ear...
    My own account was down 50% last year as I totally mishandled the March crash and panicked, brought that back to about 25% down overall since then and am hopeful for break-even overall or better this year barring another market crash...
    Major lessons learned along the way, if I had used margin I'd be broke.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ Gorteen


    I had some small success years ago when I lived in UK. Pilkington was a favourite of mine especially when they doubled in value

    I've made some small investments this year. Took me ages to get my Degiro account open but I've invested as follows;

    Bank of Ireland. €2000 They have now increased 50%
    Dalata. €2000. Some initial gains but struggling to maintain an increase of +/- 10%
    Glanbia. €2000, They have now increased 25%

    It's a relatively small amount and I'm happy to trundle along for the moment.
    My big disappointment was the delay in getting Degiro account open meant I couldn't buy Ryanair shares when they were close to €8 each. They're €15 at the moment :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭ manonboard


    I made 0%. Literally evens in the last 2 years.
    I made a wreck of things for myself. I can however easily break it down to the reason that hopefully save some others.

    I lost money only for 2 reasons.

    I took high risk gambles and some how still shocked i lost money. Rather than predictable and very profitable safe investments.

    I emotionally reverted positions and took positions depending on how much money i was losing or making. FOMO or fear of loss. This massively narrowed my profit thresholds, and extended my loss thresholds.

    I made huge amounts on my safe investments. Huge. I lost the same amounts on stupid trades due to greed and emotion.

    I made 2 wise investments 6 months ago, havent touched my money and its all building up nicely. I dont plan to intervene at all for a few years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭ theboringfox


    Ya similarly panicked in March. Crystallized a loss of about 33%. Went back in almost straight away but similar to posts above I sold too early on good purchases durng dips and stuck with dogs too long. Learned lot of good lessons along way. Around summer time I kind of stopped the madness and eound down to small holding and went back to simple fundamentals of investing steadily over time in steady eddie good stocks I felt were good over longer term. Im back to around the amount of my original investment amount (only about 10% of savings in shares) and Im close to back to breakeven. Degiro reminds me of my loss. Id need to grow another 5% to breakeven. I now only invest surplus money at month end after all outgoings and monthly cash savings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭ Telo123


    Started off with an initial 5k deposit in June, turned that into 8k ,been getting in and out of positions quickly due to the market volatility while half of my investments would be in steady blue chip investments. Made a separate account for the GME and AMC hype got in early turned 1k into 6k. Obviously these returns are not sustainable in the long term but as we know this last year has offered serious value if stocks were bought at the right time


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,386 ✭✭✭✭ Timmaay


    Jezz supercell/boringfox, I only had a 25% drawdown last March and I absolutely panicked, and liquidised nearly everything when the pain became too great ha. I then pricked about with alot of rubbish, 3x leavered oil and FTSE shorts ffs, I remember one of the oil shorts I took a 2k drawdown on one day, the next day it popped back into profit, and I sold for like a 400e gain, but of course it kept going, and I could of banked like 5k if I'd held on afew hours ha, pure gambling thought. Since I got into NIO very heavily since 5$ in June I haven't looked back, I will admit my portfolio is much too heavily based on growth stocks and the party has to end eventually which will probably see a quick 25% pullback, but it is what it is.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭ cronos


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Jezz supercell/boringfox, I only had a 25% drawdown last March and I absolutely panicked, and liquidised nearly everything when the pain became too great ha. I then pricked about with alot of rubbish, 3x leavered oil and FTSE shorts ffs, I remember one of the oil shorts I took a 2k drawdown on one day, the next day it popped back into profit, and I sold for like a 400e gain, but of course it kept going, and I could of banked like 5k if I'd held on afew hours ha, pure gambling thought. Since I got into NIO very heavily since 5$ in June I haven't looked back, I will admit my portfolio is much too heavily based on growth stocks and the party has to end eventually which will probably see a quick 25% pullback, but it is what it is.

    I'm hopeful CCIV / Lucid is my Nio. Let's see...


  • Registered Users Posts: 964 ✭✭✭ LimeFruitGum


    I took profits on a few shares recently, like Ford, TransEnterix, XRP, ADA.
    I did take a hit on Saga and I am sick of BoI being in the red.
    Aside from those two, my portfolio is moderate but generally trending in the right direction. I have 3 companies that are hovering around Break Even point, so I will sell them as soon as there’s some margin. I bought 1000 MFA Financial stocks at 80c after Covid, and they’re at $3 something now, used to be $7 in the Before Times.
    I made around €1k in dividends last year, so I would like to grow that further.
    I picked up some Clean Energy Fuel stock at $4 recently and it is around $12 now... I don’t want to sell that just yet :)
    I was busy with a postgrad this time last year, so I didn’t do much with my portfolio. I only got back into the swing of things last quarter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ Gorteen


    Is it wrong that I hate the punitive rate of CGT on profits from shares? I think it's a real disincentive to more active trading


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭ Buddy Bubs


    Gorteen wrote: »
    Is it wrong that I hate the punitive rate of CGT on profits from shares? I think it's a real disincentive to more active trading

    The old saying, if you're paying it you're making money


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,319 ✭✭✭ derekeire


    Last September opened Digero account, bought some TRIB then ignored it. It's up over 100%.
    Many years ago I invested in some penny stocks on an Etrade account which was a big disappointment so it put me off.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭ timetogo1


    I've been investing for a couple of years.
    I was too ambitious (greedy) prior to March last year and lost 40% of my investment during the crash. I was leveraged and experienced emails from my broker telling me to pay up or sell shares. I had to do both partially. It was an expensive lesson.
    I nearly gave up but readjusted my strategy. The crash was a huge learning experience.
    I stopped chasing "tips" and started investing rather than trading. I still do some risky stuff but it's within my tolerance and has been working out for me. I've a few different strategies on the go at any one time. All my eggs aren't in any one basket.
    E.g. I stayed away from the GameStop stuff in the last few weeks and I always seem to regret not investing in bitcoin but I don't understand it at all.

    At the moment I'm up 28% of my total investment (I add to this each month).
    In January I made $350 in dividends before tax and every month this year will bring in $110 at a minimum. This gets reinvested. And one of my strategies is to increase my dividends each year.

    This week was massive for me. Profit increased by 12%. Next week will probably take some of that back.

    I know the tax in Ireland is terrible. But my shares are returning way more than anything else I could do with the money. If you have a spouse make sure they're investing too as you both get the €1270 tax free allowance per year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭ Green Peter


    I'd like to start with about 2k, but haven't a clue where to go or how to trade. Anyone with any links to a good youtube video or article?


  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭ timetogo1


    I'd like to start with about 2k, but haven't a clue where to go or how to trade. Anyone with any links to a good youtube video or article?

    Probably a question for this thread https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055971742/1


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭ Valhallapt


    Gorteen wrote: »
    Is it wrong that I hate the punitive rate of CGT on profits from shares? I think it's a real disincentive to more active trading

    Yea the Revenue don't want you investing in stocks, hence all the complexity. Invest in property - thats all you are encouraged to do in Ireland


  • Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭ Green Peter


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Probably a question for this thread https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055971742/1

    Thanks, but I want to use the 2k for getting involved in shares. It's not that I'm looking for somewhere to invest it in general.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭ Mister Vain


    A lot on here giving share tips and advice, but are of you making money?
    I'd love to here some honest accounts of long term returns.

    I'm new enough to all this. I did get in mostly on the covid dip and have held since. I don't trade as such.
    Like yourself I got in at the start of the pandemic. Up about 14%. I've been investing a couple of hundred a month so taking the DCA approach.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭ kippy


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Yea the Revenue don't want you investing in stocks, hence all the complexity. Invest in property - thats all you are encouraged to do in Ireland

    You've obviously not 'invested' in property if you believe it's not complex and riddled with various forms of taxation.
    (I may have missed the sarcasm in your post)


  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭ aridion


    I started investing on Degiro 2 years ago,. I am 39% in unrealised profit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Questionee1902


    according to my Degiro account I am up 78.59 euros...

    if I had held the shares I bought I would have made about 1200 euro.

    I am going to invest into stocks further a after I get a mortgage


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,544 ✭✭✭✭ Supercell


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Jezz supercell/boringfox, I only had a 25% drawdown last March and I absolutely panicked, and liquidised nearly everything when the pain became too great ha. I then pricked about with alot of rubbish, 3x leavered oil and FTSE shorts ffs, I remember one of the oil shorts I took a 2k drawdown on one day, the next day it popped back into profit, and I sold for like a 400e gain, but of course it kept going, and I could of banked like 5k if I'd held on afew hours ha, pure gambling thought. Since I got into NIO very heavily since 5$ in June I haven't looked back, I will admit my portfolio is much too heavily based on growth stocks and the party has to end eventually which will probably see a quick 25% pullback, but it is what it is.

    I didn't diversify enough , was heavy in REITS which got destroyed with the whole WFH thing.
    Like yourself I'm heavy on growth stocks at the moment, that negative percentage in Degiro is wrecking my head so engaging in more risky behaviour, its working for now, i think once I'm break even (assuming i get back there) I'll take a more cautious approach.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 584 ✭✭✭ ffarrell7


    I have a DEGIRO account as well. Cheap commission but service isn't great. I find it very difficult to put on a Stop Limit though.

    I can put on a Stop Loss limit no problem.

    I have also tried to put on a Stop limit and a limit at the same time but DEGIRO doesn't seem to allow that.

    Has anybody else a similar experience???

    Share trading in Ireland is rare compared to the US where it us as common as muck.

    Given the volatility of the market, I have been day trading quite a bit. Am up 10k but should really be up a lot more. I am carrying forward an 11,000 euro loss so I won't have any CGT to pay.

    Bank of Ireland shares will hit 5 euro by mid Summer in my opinion..... one od the strongest and safest banks in Europe now with high amounts of capital reserves.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭ Mister Vain


    With regards to CGT, could you not just pocket your returns before you get to €1270? Save you paying any tax.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭ AmberGold


    I have dabbled for years incurring losses in US Tech, AIB, BOI etc. I was also seriously burned on property investments in the 2000’s & I got hit by the Dot Com bubble. My strategy since then had been to stick my cash in the mattress so to speak.

    I really only got going last April. I executed a significant share holding I had built up in a company I worked for, this combined with my life savings gave me a sizeable float to start with.

    After a messy start with about three months of being down 20k I changed my strategy into mainly ETH, EV’s and SPACs,

    I’m now up more than our combined yearly salaries. I also got to write off all all my previous losses on last years tax return.

    I’m now all in on one SPAC from nearly day one, they haven’t announced a target yet & I’m expecting to double my money.

    Waste of time having cash on deposit but be careful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭ Valhallapt


    kippy wrote: »
    You've obviously not 'invested' in property if you believe it's not complex and riddled with various forms of taxation.
    (I may have missed the sarcasm in your post)

    Sarcasm yes.. My point being the system in Ireland is geared toward property investment.

    With shares if you are buying and selling within 30 days you cannot offset gains against losses, a lot of people who jumped in and out of GME and the like, may have lost everything and still be saddled with a large tax bill


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭ Valhallapt


    AmberGold wrote: »
    I’m now all in on one SPAC from nearly day one, they haven’t announced a target yet & I’m expecting to double my money.

    Oh do tell....


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