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Has anyone been granted a sound moderator for a pistol

  • 01-02-2021 9:07pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭ cosieman


    Has anyone been granted a sound moderator for a pistol tempted to tick the box when applying for hearing protection and a extra bit of barrell to grab just in case when teaching new friends how to shoot at a range.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Yup, one guy here has a, if not THE only one in the 26 for a 9mm pistol.

    But it was a pre-2008 application, so probably in the category of the extremely rare element of "unobtainium" this days.:eek:

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭ The pigeon man


    As far as a remember a suppressor for a pistol is a restricted firearm. I'm sure someone better educated on the matter will be along soon to advise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭✭✭ 1349


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Yup, one guy here has a, if not THE only one in the 26 for a 9mm pistol.

    But it was a pre-2008 application, so probably in the category of the extremely rare element of "unobtainium" this days.:eek:


    A HK USP with a b&T can? I fired that at a range in Kerry years and years ago. Second most fun gun I've fired.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    For the life of me. I can't think of one good reason you could justify such an application here.

    The flimsiest I could think of is that the pistol is an integrated suppressor model and it is a curio, or that it is a historically valuable gun.IE it was a bit of OSS or former CIA/Mossad hit kit, and you have forked out several thousand euros for it.:eek:
    Otherwise, I'm drawing a blank on this one.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭ freddieot


    The only reason I can think of is that that (i) a shooter already has a centrefire handgun and (ii) then through arthritis or some other medical condition has a need to reduce the recoil on their hands.

    I know there are other ways to reduce recoil such as porting etc. but the use of a suppressor might be the logical solution in such a case.

    I don't see any other valid reason.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭ Feisar


    Is noise suppression not a valid reason?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭ freddieot


    I doubt that noise suppression would be considered valid. Your hearing protection should do just that with the noise a handgun makes.

    The only use for a handgun is on a firing range in a registered target shooting club. In theory and often in practice surrounded by other people shooting handguns as well (so you also won't scare any horses by firing it).

    Hunters could use that or similar arguments (but you can't hunt with a handgun in this country).

    Rifles make a lot more noise as we know so valid for them (my 308 could wake the dead without the suppressor)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,758 ✭✭✭ clivej


    YES >>>> I have permission for a silencer for my K22 XTrim.
    Hearing protection for myself and other people on the firing line.

    I was thinking more along the lines of fitting a muzzle brake to stop muzzle flip.
    BUT my K22 barrel is not threaded, so I can't use one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭ smmember20


    clivej wrote: »
    YES >>>> I have permission for a silencer for my K22 XTrim.
    Hearing protection for myself and other people on the firing line.

    I was thinking more along the lines of fitting a muzzle brake to stop muzzle flip.
    BUT my K22 barrel is not threaded, so I can't use one.

    Odd one need to be careful with Short Firearms and surpressors, current legislation does not permit them for pistols!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭ smmember20


    cosieman wrote: »
    Has anyone been granted a sound moderator for a pistol tempted to tick the box when applying for hearing protection and a extra bit of barrell to grab just in case when teaching new friends how to shoot at a range.

    Prohibited under current legislation ~


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    The combination of a handgun and a silencer/suppressor isn't prohibited here at all. It's just that it will be doubtful if you can convince your Super to issue you a permit or license to use one.
    IOW you need one Hell of a good reason for one, and we can't think of one in the limited options and conditions you have for using a handgun here.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭ BattleCorp


    smmember20 wrote: »
    Prohibited under current legislation ~

    Where? What legislation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭ Feisar


    So no point in going in to the Super and quoting Nutnfancy “two kinds of cool”?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭ Munsterlad102


    clivej wrote: »
    YES >>>> I have permission for a silencer for my K22 XTrim.
    Hearing protection for myself and other people on the firing line.

    I was thinking more along the lines of fitting a muzzle brake to stop muzzle flip.
    BUT my K22 barrel is not threaded, so I can't use one.

    Is that a restricted or non restricted firearm?


  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭ jb88


    freddieot wrote: »
    I doubt that noise suppression would be considered valid. Your hearing protection should do just that with the noise a handgun makes.

    The only use for a handgun is on a firing range in a registered target shooting club. In theory and often in practice surrounded by other people shooting handguns as well (so you also won't scare any horses by firing it).

    Hunters could use that or similar arguments (but you can't hunt with a handgun in this country).

    Rifles make a lot more noise as we know so valid for them (my 308 could wake the dead without the suppressor)

    Humane Dispatch, some have licences for 9mm for this purpose and may require a MOD. Thats a valid reason


  • Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭ jb88


    Humane Dispatch - 9mm and a MOD. "Ive heard very quietly", lads who work in forests etc "may", have them


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭ gunhappy_ie


    cosieman wrote: »
    Has anyone been granted a sound moderator for a pistol tempted to tick the box when applying for hearing protection and a extra bit of barrell to grab just in case when teaching new friends how to shoot at a range.

    No offence but that is a good reason to have your F/O & Super question ever giving you a firearm again !

    That is not and intended use of a suppressor as it can get hot quickly and depending on the firearm design instantly cause the gun to malfunction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭ gunhappy_ie


    1349 wrote: »
    A HK USP with a b&T can? I fired that at a range in Kerry years and years ago. Second most fun gun I've fired.


    Almost afraid to ask what no. 1 is ....... :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Feisar wrote: »
    So no point in going in to the Super and quoting Nutnfancy “two kinds of cool”?

    IF you do and get it...you get the title of " Ultra Gangsta with the biggest pair!":D:D

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    jb88 wrote: »
    Humane Dispatch - 9mm and a MOD. "Ive heard very quietly", lads who work in forests etc "may", have them

    I'd put that in the "newly issued concealed carry permit to..." category of scuttlebutt.

    Be a VERY brave CS or commissioner who would issue either these days, as in the case of a silenced 9mm license being issued and it came out, we would have a field day in court as legit gun owners showing up that sort of "favouritism" and being totally contrary to the 2008 provisions of the act on restricted handguns.
    Maybe,possibly,if they are NPWS rangers and are therefore qualified Govt personel?

    Ditto with concealed carry [from the mouth of a chief super], as there is no mechanism to do this here, and who would be ultimately responsible if things went South in some incident?

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    jb88 wrote: »
    Humane Dispatch, some have licences for 9mm for this purpose and may require a MOD. Thats a valid reason

    Unless you are working as a vet or slaughterer with large and dangerous animals on a daily basis IE breeding bulls or the like and if one of those fellahs goes wild at about 1.5 metric tonnes on the hoof.I don't think a 9mm would cut it:eek:

    And if it is for work purposes, he could tell you to go and get a single shot or derringer type pistol, or a Brugger and Thomet copy of the old Weldod pistol if you needed more than two shots. A whole section on this in the firearms guidelines.

    Can't even think when I last saw a Vet even use a blank firing captive bolt gun. Downed animals which are the most cases are dealt with by lethal injection.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭ freddieot


    Over the years I had heard of one or two (only one or two !) lads getting a handgun to despatch deer. That was their reason, which made perfect sense, even to the PTB in their areas.

    However, that was prior to the changes in the law that requires someone to be a member of a target shooting club in order to licence a handgun. One lad I knew had to join a club or he would have lost it.

    They also did not have suppressors. (Although the element of surprise was gone, I suppose there was limited chance of the other deer counter-attacking)

    I know several vets, none have handguns and they use lethal injection as Grizz points out. There may be a few guys still using older handguns for that purpose but I doubt there are any wandering about with suppressed G19s or VP9s in their medical bags.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,758 ✭✭✭ clivej


    This has, as usual, gone so far from the original post.
    Yes I have the mystical 'S' on my handgun licence.
    No I didn't have to jump thru any hoops.
    I didn't submit a reason for use or want, just ticked the box.
    I get on very well with the FO, Super, Chef Super, but not on a personal level.
    Have or had 2 restricted rifles and 2 restricted shotguns at the same time, along with my unrestricted firearms.
    There is another licensed .22 handgun with the 'S' on in our club.
    Another club member has a restricted .22 handgun, so can use more that 5 rounds in it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    clivej wrote: »
    This has, as usual, gone so far from the original post.
    Yes I have the mystical 'S' on my handgun licence.[
    No I didn't have to jump thru any hoops.
    I didn't submit a reason for use or want, just ticked the box. ]

    I get on very well with the FO, Super, Chef Super, but not on a personal level. [/B]

    IOW you are a very lucky man!:D:D:D
    Have or had 2 restricted rifles and 2 restricted shotguns at the same time, along with my unrestricted firearms.

    Nothing too unusual... Am in the same situation on that one,and quite possible.
    Another club member has a restricted .22 handgun, so can use more that 5 rounds in it.

    Know someone with that too. But more from AGS mucking about with his applications and refusals,grants and a court case, rather than a simple application.:rolleyes:

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭✭✭ 1349


    Almost afraid to ask what no. 1 is ....... :eek:




    Hello! Thanks for the 9mm subsonics!



    #1 has to be an M1919. I'll be moving to the states on a green card this time next year, and ideally I would like all my firearms to be belt fed and full auto. I am a busy guy, and I really don't have the time nor patience for these 'sights' they keep putting on guns. Once you experience walking your rounds onto the target instead of aiming you'll realize what a dork you've been all these years looking into those little glass tubes, or lining up little pointy bits of metal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Just curious...
    Can you actually apply for Class3 full auto stuff on a green card?:confused:
    FIK you had to be a full US citizen to own and posses?

    Did you win the Euro millions or get a job on Wall St to be able to afford both the gun and the ammo needed to feed them properly? And is there any chance of a start?:eek::D

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭ Munsterlad102


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Just curious...
    Can you actually apply for Class3 full auto stuff on a green card?:confused:
    FIK you had to be a full US citizen to own and posses?

    Did you win the Euro millions or get a job on Wall St to be able to afford both the gun and the ammo needed to feed them properly? And is there any chance of a start?:eek::D

    I’ve seem transferable 9mm submachine guns go for about 6-7 grand. Definitely an affordable caliber for a machine gun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    I’ve seem transferable 9mm submachine guns go for about 6-7 grand. Definitely an affordable caliber for a machine gun.

    Did you see the price of ammo in the states at the minute ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭ Munsterlad102


    tudderone wrote: »
    Did you see the price of ammo in the states at the minute ?

    I did, fair enough but with normal prices it's a good caliber to feed a machine gun.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,332 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    I’ve seem transferable 9mm submachine guns go for about 6-7 grand. Definitely an affordable caliber for a machine gun.

    That's cheap!
    A former colleague of mine in the US just sold his personal gun, a genuine IMI mini UZI he bought for $5,000 15 years ago and literally shot the Hell out of it in the time frame where he replaced both bolt and barrel in it for $15,000 last November!!!:eek: Even the rattiest looking STEN guns are going for 5,6 grand these days.A FA M16 is hitting the five figures no problems.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



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