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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭Feisar


    A variation on Cass's:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,923 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Zxthinger wrote: »
    What's the craic with not using a gun bag.. when transporting a gun in a car van truck etc


    A fizzing lockable wallet is the way to go. Especially for hunters..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12 ReganBrady


    Earlier we had bought the box from the market and was around or less than €12, we could have bought the different or bigger sized but that solved our legal requirements, rest you can buy the one which would also do the task is home or travelling time, good stuff I knew here liked it learning more now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭slipperyox


    Anything wrong with using motorcycle panniers? While on a motorcycle?

    According to the SI, its more "on" the vehicle, than "in".

    But still a locked container


  • Registered Users Posts: 874 ✭✭✭zeissman


    Update.
    My mate had his inspection today.
    He checked his gun safe and ammo safe in the house and his ammo box for the vehicle.
    He got one of those metal ammo boxes and put a padlock on it and he was happy enough.
    He did say that a locked glove box was not acceptable but a plastic toolbox with a lock was OK.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    zeissman wrote: »
    He did say that a locked glove box was not acceptable but a plastic toolbox with a lock was OK.
    Knew that would never fly. It was discussed when the SI came in.

    The glovebox is part of the car so if the car was robbed the ammo is gone. Whereas in a separate box the ammo can, securely, be taken from the car.


    Glad he got sorted though.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭slipperyox


    Cass wrote: »
    Knew that would never fly. It was discussed when the SI came in.

    The glovebox is part of the car so if the car was robbed the ammo is gone. Whereas in a separate box the ammo can, securely, be taken from the car.


    Glad he got sorted though.

    So the Garda interpreted the SI, as the glovebox not being a locked receptacle?

    Not arguing, but who writes these SI's in the first place :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    Cass wrote: »
    Knew that would never fly. It was discussed when the SI came in.

    The glovebox is part of the car so if the car was robbed the ammo is gone. Whereas in a separate box the ammo can, securely, be taken from the car.


    Glad he got sorted though.

    Again, more intervention and garda rules. I don't have a specific box in which I lock ammo when I'm out in the car. If I'm going out I'll grab something and stick it in the boot and throw a combination lock on it.
    Cops had no business inspecting his carry-box unless he is was travelling.

    In fairness the discussion about the glove box going down the road with the car is a fair point but my van ( not the car) has a tool box bolted to the floor.. And to be honest I think I'll bolt a ammo can into the cars boot😇I like the clean design of the silver stud. Simple to fit with only one drill hole.

    On a different note. You go out shopping in Navan and decide to buy a box of special offer ammo at the sports den😅
    You have no firearm in the car. U left the box and at home! Are you allowed to bring the recently acquired ammo home in the car without a lock-box..
    The whole thing is brought in for sensible reasons but you can see how it can go too far... by some super-cop.. lol 😂


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    slipperyox wrote: »
    Not arguing, but who writes these SI's in the first place :rolleyes:

    My take is this.

    Some Minister has a notion on how to create an SI based on the current public opinion. Makes them look pro-active. They have an SI written up, checked for legality and that it doesn't conflict with the Act and then sign it into law.

    A couple of days, weeks, months after the SI some group points out faults with it and how its legal but creates a problem or loophole. ITs then put on the backburner until it cannot be ignored any further and eventually changed to suit.

    IOW the work that should have been by the authors of the SI is done by the shooting bodies/persons and changed months, even years, later.

    The people involved from start to finish have no idea of how the SI will affect the Act or the sport and make something unworkable, and frankly i don't think they care. They get to say how they "took guns off the streets" and that is enough of a soundbite come election time.
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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Zxthinger wrote: »
    Cops had no business inspecting his carry-box unless he is was travelling.
    Not really. They cannot wait until you are traveling to see if you comply with the law because if you're not at this point you're in breach of the Act/SI.

    With all due respect this is not a big issue and one i kinda agree with. A €15 or €20 locked box will satisfy all conditions so just buy one or two of them and you never have to worry about it.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭slipperyox


    Cass wrote: »
    My take is this.

    Some Minister has a notion on how to create an SI based on the current public opinion. Makes them look pro-active. They have an SI written up, checked for legality and that it doesn't conflict with the Act and then sign it into law.

    A couple of days, weeks, months after the SI some group points out faults with it and how its legal but creates a problem or loophole. ITs then put on the backburner until it cannot be ignored any further and eventually changed to suit.

    IOW the work that should have been by the authors of the SI is done by the shooting bodies/persons and changed months, even years, later.

    The people involved from start to finish have no idea of how the SI will affect the Act or the sport and make something unworkable, and frankly i don't think they care. They get to say how they "took guns off the streets" and that is enough of a soundbite come election time.

    Why not just do what the Irish have done for years with everything.
    Copy the British system.
    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    Zxthinger wrote: »

    On a different note. You go out shopping in Navan and decide to buy a box of special offer ammo at the sports den😅
    You have no firearm in the car. U left the box and at home! Are you allowed to bring the recently acquired ammo home in the car without a lock-box..
    The whole thing is brought in for sensible reasons but you can see how it can go too far... by some super-cop.. lol 😂

    Any thoughts on this..


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭Feisar


    An Irish solution for an Irish problem!

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    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Zxthinger wrote: »
    Any thoughts on this..

    Joking aside it's not something I ever thought of. I must throw a lockable box in the boot.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    Feisar wrote: »
    Joking aside it's not something I ever thought of. I must throw a lockable box in the boot.
    I had a similar bag but it was a laptop bag..

    This rule is not going to really affect the success of a thief however it most surely will stop little fingers getting access to dangerous item..

    For that reason allow it needs to be supported..

    God forbid that any small child be hurt.. but it pains me to think of such things..

    However I can't help think that it was only introduced to catch out those who drive around shooting into fields..


  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭alan0387


    slipperyox wrote: »
    Why not just do what the Irish have done for years with everything.
    Copy the British system.
    :D

    Far better system in the UK. If I remember right your license is £80 per year, but you have 10 slots to use (but your moderator uses a seperate slot too). And airguns below 12ft lbs are not required to be licensed.

    Id happily use that system. Of course the powers that be pick a setup that suits them best, not the end user.

    Eg; take the mot model and introduce as the nct, but don't allow garages to be licensed.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    alan0387 wrote: »
    Id happily use that system.
    Yeah, i don't know.

    No pistols (not really but you know), attacks on large caliber rifles, no semi auto rifles, lands to be inspected for hunting suitability, and the air gun thing might be changing soon with Scotland and Britain considering introducing licensing for all rifles.

    I like their licensing system and if that is what you meant only then i'd agree with you, but other features and laws in the UK, well they can have them.

    Sometimes the grass is not greener.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,923 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    slipperyox wrote: »
    So the Garda interpreted the SI, as the glovebox not being a locked receptacle?

    Not arguing, but who writes these SI's in the first place :rolleyes:
    As this was tack on gold plating to the EU directive on semi-autos and mag capacity.This was Ireland catching up with our EU overlords. I have personally met the man who drafted this part of the legislation in the Doj in Dec 2019
    A more beuractratic caricature is impossible to imagine in real life.
    However, to his credit,and in the land of nudge and wink,it was left ambiguous to us this part with a "locked container" actually is.;)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    As this was tack on gold plating to the EU directive on semi-autos and mag capacity.This was Ireland catching up with our EU overlords. I have personally met the man who drafted this part of the legislation in the Doj in Dec 2019
    A more beuractratic caricature is impossible to imagine in real life.
    However, to his credit,and in the land of nudge and wink,it was left ambiguous to us this part with a "locked container" actually is.;)

    Without looking through it all again, was it not a "Locked receptacle" lol


  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭alan0387


    Cass wrote: »
    I like their licensing system and if that is what you meant only then i'd agree with you, but other features and laws in the UK, well they can have them.

    Yes thats what I meant, I like the single license covering multiple firearms, and the airgun laws too. But yes some of the other stuff they are facing is utter sh1te.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,842 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Gun on the back seat in a slip or case. Ammunition in the locked boot. SI complied with.

    There’s usually access to the boot from the back seat. So the locked receptive container is the entire car. So the gun and the ammo are same container.
    You want to make sure it’s correct if you’re going to chance a technicality.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    alan0387 wrote: »
    Far better system in the UK. If I remember right your license is £80 per year, but you have 10 slots to use (but your moderator uses a seperate slot too). And airguns below 12ft lbs are not required to be licensed.

    What happens if you use up your 10 slots but want need more? Asking for a friend. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Mellor wrote: »
    There’s usually access to the boot from the back seat. So the locked receptive container is the entire car. So the gun and the ammo are same container.
    You want to make sure it’s correct if you’re going to chance a technicality.

    Yea I won't be chancing it, I'll stick with my steel ammo can. In fairness it's good practice anyway.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭alan0387


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    What happens if you use up your 10 slots but want need more? Asking for a friend. :D

    :D can't help you there I'm afraid! TBH it would be nice to have the ability to be in that situation.... monetary & wife constraints currently limit me to 1 :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    alan0387 wrote: »
    :D can't help you there I'm afraid! TBH it would be nice to have the ability to be in that situation.... monetary & wife constraints currently limit me to 1 :rolleyes:

    Get rid of the wife = monetary constraints lifted. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭smmember20


    Mellor wrote: »
    There’s usually access to the boot from the back seat. So the locked receptive container is the entire car. So the gun and the ammo are same container.
    You want to make sure it’s correct if you’re going to chance a technicality.

    True in this case a small amount of common sense is required, the intention of the regulations are to avoid easy access to ammo when travelling and the requirement to secure any firearm means the best place for it is the boot I'd expect!


  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭alan0387


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Get rid of the wife = monetary constraints lifted. :D

    That would not be the first time that idea was floated :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,923 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    But not, in the long run a cheaper alternative.As Robin Williams said about divorce."The art of extracting a man's wallet thru his penis."Does hold true. :D

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I started to think what the safe would look like if I was single.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,923 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Once upon a time a man fell in love with a woman and asked to marry her.
    The woman said no, and the man was sad, for a while. But then he realised he could afford things like his truck, motorbike and guns. His bank account was full to afford such necessities in like like burbon,cigars,and a new gun that took his fancy whenever
    He could go hunting and fishing whenever he pleased and have his mates around to watch the match and play poker till all hours.He could also afford to feck off on holidays to places HE wanted to go to too.His dogs also were happy as they could live inside too with him, and found the couch very comfortable beside him.

    He cleaned the house and dishes and did his laundry when he felt a need to do it, and no one gave out to him wherever he went about in his shorts and Tshirt scratching his nuts or whenever he burped or farted when the urge took him.
    THE END!

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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