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How did you catch it?

  • 30-01-2021 10:03pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭ Tim Robbins


    Hi,
    since the outbreak started I have been taking extra precautions as am asthmatic and prone to bad chest infections. So naturally nervous.

    One thing I find puzzling how are 1,000+ people getting infected every day. The schools are closed, the pubs are closed and most people are working from home. Most people seem to making a really good effort compared to last March. You hear these anecdotes of people getting it by just going out for their walk which I find hard to believe.

    So my question is if you got it, do you know how? (no judging obviously).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭ tdf7187


    Office workers are working from home. Plenty of people still have to work.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 62,193 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Beasty


    1,000+ cases a day means at any one time we have perhaps 10,000 recorded cases. Add to that all the asymptomatic non-tested cases and we are talking maybe 20k or more. Every one of those cases come into contact with others. It may be in a shop, it may be family members. It may be when the person transmitting it has no symptoms and no idea they have it.

    And that's ignoring the cases transmitted in hospitals. The cases involving healthcare workers. Then there are the care homes

    It's a pandemic. It's doing what viruses do. And it's doing it everywhere


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,514 ✭✭✭ John_Rambo


    I don't know anyone that caught it except my neighbour and her family at the very start. She's a doctor and caught it very early on treating C-10 patients.

    The recent surge of infections are from xmas where people unbelievably, incredibly, inexplicably, astoundingly and incomprehensibly decided to meet up with friends to socialise, go for pints and then spend xmas day with family including elderly people. A classic GUBU case turned to GUBS situation Grotesque, Unbelievable, Bizarre and Stupid situation that led to Ireland being the best to the worst in Europe regardng covid infections.

    The vaccination on the horizon may have helped the rate of infections for simpletons that don't understand basic logistics, supply and production.

    The Belmullet story is indicative of this GUBS carry on. And it has to be noted that a lot of innocent, careful people were infected by the GUBS folk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭ green123


    What percentage of people are catching it from touching surfaces?

    And what percentage of people are catching it from airborne transmission?


  • Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭ agoodpunt


    With no cold or flu for over one year from the extra attension to hygiene is noticeable

    Its just 15mins + getherings in badly ventilated indoor enclosed settings homes, factories and hospitals imo

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    green123 wrote: »
    What percentage of people are catching it from touching surfaces?
    And what percentage of people are catching it from airborne transmission?
    Close range droplets are the new leading theory

    Supporting this theory, most people catch the virus from someone they live with and presumably are in frequent close contact with.

    In one study from China an infected person had a 17.2% chance of spreading the virus to a family member who lived with them, but just a 2.6% chance of giving it to someone outside the home.

    That said, an uncle of mine got the virus but did not pass it on to anyone in his family.

    https://elemental.medium.com/the-most-likely-way-youll-get-infected-with-covid-19-30430384e5a5


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭ Away With The Fairies


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    With no cold or flu for over one year from the extra attension to hygiene is noticeable

    Its just 15mins + getherings in badly ventilated indoor enclosed settings homes, factories and hospitals imo

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4

    HSE would want to update their website. Apparently surface spread is greater than airborne spread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,581 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    HSE would want to update their website. Apparently surface spread is greater than airborne spread.
    Only if a whole load of things turn out to be true at the same time but it's still not a big risk.

    EDIT: Nature article on it.


    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4


  • Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭ cheezums


    plenty of people are not working from home.


  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭ hurikane


    Sister in law tested positive. The rest of the house are waiting for tests. What does this mean regards isolating? I presume they all have to isolate but say if the rest of the family are negative, how long do they isolate for? What If they pick it up from her in a week or two? Surely they should all be isolating for a month at least?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭ pottokblue


    How have I not caught it yet??? I'm a frontline worker in an on/off covid enivroment and shielding a vunerable family member at home. I work with people afflicted by covid with aerosolgenerating proceedures, I take publictransport and see family and friends indoors, pubs, restaurants, cinema depending on current restrictions. Colleagues, friends and family have all got it so I have been routinely screened negative. I think maybe the reason I havent got it yet is an ok bodyweight and good immune system supported by codliveroil, vitamins B,C,D, Magnsium, Whisky and Zinc. My covid anxieties lie not in catching it myself but in transmitting it to a vulnerable family, friend, patient or stranger. My anxieties are somewhat eased after recieving 2nd jab last week no extreme sideeffect expect exhaustion! If/when I catch I'll spend the 10days selfisolating. There should be less stigmatising in catching/transmitting the virus due to its unpredictable nature....


  • Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭ TP_CM


    I'm not sure how anyone aged 60+ is getting it. I understand how 100s of under 30 year olds are getting it. The reason we're all here is because of mankind's undying need to get the shift in their late teens and 20s. Even through the black plague there were teenagers and young people dry humping each other behind whatever shed was available to them. When it comes to procreation, logic rarely prevails. Our ancestors courted through a lot worse than pandemics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ Loueze


    TP_CM wrote: »
    I'm not sure how anyone aged 60+ is getting it. I understand how 100s of under 30 year olds are getting it. .

    Plenty of 30 somethings still living at home with 60+ parents.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 62,193 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Beasty


    green123 wrote: »
    What percentage of people are catching it from touching surfaces?

    And what percentage of people are catching it from airborne transmission?

    I really do not know how anyone can have a clue about whether it was airborne or on a surface. You won't know you have it for a few days minimum, and possibly never. Trying to pinpoint exactly how and when you got it would be pretty much impossible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ Catmaniac


    I became ill whilst on a trip to Namibia last March with Covid-like symptoms, especially breathing difficulty which was remarkable on some days and out of proportion to other symptoms. However I never got tested due to the prevailing criteria when I returned to Ireland. I had been put on a list by FP practice for testing and taken off it by HSE next day due to a change in the criteria as testing capacity was below the growing demand for it. Had some prolonged health consequences mainly because of some other coexisting factors rather than the virus itself, but nothing that wasn't eventually easily remedied after a lot of "nuisance" investigation and concern. The virus, I think, may have brought underlying thing to attention in a few cases like mine, rather than bring a major cause.

    It was viewed by the doctors I encountered that I most likely had Covid last March, most likely caught whilst travelling to Namibia through busy airports and crowded planes, and there was notably a share of general coughing going on. Namibia itself is a country that places high store on hygiene and cleanliness and were busily concentrating on cleansing every surface they could find, eg restaurant seats would typically be cleansed before after after you would sit down to a meal, and toilets always cleaned after each use. However, social distancing had not become a thing there, like with most of the world, but I believe they caught up with that not long after. And when I reported on a social media health support group that I had experienced recent symptoms a person in charge of public health in the country made direct contact with me to try and trace where I had been. As an impoverished but reasonably functional country, they were taking every step they could to keep Covid levels down where public health resources are very poor indeed.

    The current prevalent strains, I think, are much more contagious and probably are spreading quite easily by airborne droplet and contact means. Apart from work, grocery shopping is probably posing a level of hazard way beyond going out for a walk in the fresh air. I did notice yesterday that there was a considerable amount of traffic in the area I shop, Churchtown/Dundrum/Nutgrove, so much so that I had to wait quite a bit to join traffic on busier roads. I get the feeling that people are making a lot of little journeys just to get out of the house, but don't know if there is any significant amount of meeting up of other households involved.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭ LightOfTruth


    My wife is a health care worker. She caught it and passed it to me.

    I ended up spending a week in ICU, came out of nowhere. I'm 30 with no previous health conditions minus a few chest infections in the past. I'm out of ICU now and hoping to be allowed home next week


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ Catmaniac


    My wife is a health care worker. She caught it and passed it to me.

    I ended up spending a week in ICU, came out of nowhere. I'm 30 with no previous health conditions minus a few chest infections in the past. I'm out of ICU now and hoping to be allowed home next week

    Very best of luck in your recovery.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ Catmaniac


    I've posted this in other threads but worthwhile repeating it here as I haven't heard it aired on any Irish media. According to a UK documentary I saw, presented by Dr Ronx Ikharia, men as born with XY chromosomes, irrespective of age or other health issues, are 44% more likely to die than women of Covid. The program says that is to do with the Y chromosome that dictates how the biological gender responds to viruses in first line defence. It holds that the reason XX women are more likely to suffer autoimmune diseases lies in their more efficient immediate response to viruses. COVID takes particular advantage of this. It's a trade off that means women are a bit more likely to survive longer, but maybe with some chronic autoimmune disease.

    If this is overall scientifically verified, then it would mean XY males should be prioritised for vaccine. I say this as somebody who would stand to wait behind in the queue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭ caveat emptor


    My wife is a health care worker. She caught it and passed it to me.

    I ended up spending a week in ICU, came out of nowhere. I'm 30 with no previous health conditions minus a few chest infections in the past. I'm out of ICU now and hoping to be allowed home next week

    That's pretty shocking. Hope you are feeling better soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,394 ✭✭✭✭ odyssey06


    Catmaniac wrote: »
    I've posted this in other threads but worthwhile repeating it here as I haven't heard it aired on any Irish media. According to a UK documentary I saw, presented by Dr Ronx Ikharia, men as born with XY chromosomes, irrespective of age or other health issues, are 44% more likely to die than women of Covid. The program says that is to do with the Y chromosome that dictates how the biological gender responds to viruses in first line defence. It holds that the reason XX women are more likely to suffer autoimmune diseases lies in their more efficient immediate response to viruses. COVID takes particular advantage of this. It's a trade off that means women are a bit more likely to survive longer, but maybe with some chronic autoimmune disease.
    If this is overall scientifically verified, then it would mean XY males should be prioritised for vaccine. I say this as somebody who would stand to wait behind in the queue.

    Almost all the stories that popped in up in the media about an under 50 with no pre-existing condition who ended up in ICU from covid seem to be male...
    I haven't seen a split by gender for ICU admissions for under 65s.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭ eskimohunt


    My wife is a health care worker. She caught it and passed it to me.

    I ended up spending a week in ICU, came out of nowhere. I'm 30 with no previous health conditions minus a few chest infections in the past. I'm out of ICU now and hoping to be allowed home next week

    But did they detect subsequently that you had health conditions that hitherto were asymptomatic?

    Also, what is your BMI?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 ✭✭✭ Davauer


    You don't have to catch it. A lot of people will catch it eating or going into someone's house or going to church or hairdresser any place indoors. If you hear some one cough move away 15 feet. Use hand sanitizer or wash hands when you enter or leave building. Bathrooms are also bad. Shower and change clothes when you come home at night if you have home made mask or cotton wear two
    Think of using safety glasses or shield with a mask. Bathrooms with handdryers are dangerous as it spreads virus as are buildings with fans try and get vaccine but a few have died from it. But it's mostly the Chinese one. Don't fly or take public transport
    Don't give lifts to friends. Learn not to touch your face


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭ LightOfTruth


    That's pretty shocking. Hope you are feeling better soon.

    I'm out of ICU now and coming off oxygen. Hopefully I can get home next week 😬 it will probably be six months before a full recovery


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    I know a few people who have had it at this stage.

    One caught it from her kid via school.

    One caught it from his sister who arrived from London for the xmas.

    And a few others who caught it in work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭ caveat emptor


    I'm out of ICU now and coming off oxygen. Hopefully I can get home next week �� it will probably be six months before a full recovery

    Really sorry to hear that. That's great you are out the other side of it. Take it handy and get well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭ dhaughton99


    How long before solicitors start pushing out claims against HSE, dept of education etc for workers who caught it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭ Mongfinder General


    I'm out of ICU now and coming off oxygen. Hopefully I can get home next week 😬 it will probably be six months before a full recovery

    30. Jaysus. It must be infuriating reading and seeing stories about every wanker and his dog jetting off on holidays or having house parties.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,291 ✭✭✭✭ Catmaniac


    How long before solicitors start pushing out claims against HSE, dept of education etc for workers who caught it?

    That happened in Austria near beginning of pandemic.

    Edit - although this was a consumer legal issue:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54256463


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,904 ✭✭✭✭ _Brian


    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Office workers are working from home. Plenty of people still have to work.

    People working from home still have to work too, your statement makes no sense.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    Catmaniac wrote: »
    That happened in Austria near beginning of pandemic.

    Edit - although this was a consumer legal issue:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54256463

    I look forward to class action lawsuits being brought against the CCP....


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