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HSE confirms a number of vials of COVID19 vaccine have had to be dumped

  • 26-01-2021 5:55pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭ Fly_away


    HSE has confirmed that a number of vials of vaccine have had to be dumped after being incorrectly stored.

    They were delivered to a nursing home in the Midlands/Louth/Meath CHO area.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1354123216885850115?s=19


    This is saddening and anger inducing.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭ jacdaniel2014


    I’ve been completely against the government, NPHET and HSE throughout but mistakes do happen.

    It sucks but it is what it is. Hopefully lessons were learned...


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭ hotmail.com


    I’ve been completely against the government, NPHET and HSE throughout but mistakes do happen.

    It sucks but it is what it is. Hopefully lessons were learned...

    Mistakes happen quite a lot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭ hynesie08


    Over/under on somebody claiming they weren't dumped but given to friends and relatives? I've got 20 minutes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭ KrustyUCC


    I’ve been completely against the government, NPHET and HSE throughout but mistakes do happen.

    It sucks but it is what it is. Hopefully lessons were learned...

    Mistakes shouldn't happen with such a precious resource

    It's unforgiveable

    Somebody should be held accountable and lose their job for this 'mistake'

    Then again it's Ireland so that will never happen


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,516 ✭✭✭✭ titan18


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Mistakes shouldn't happen with such a precious resource

    It's unforgiveable

    Somebody should be held accountable and lose their job for this 'mistake'

    Then again it's Ireland so that will never happen

    I'll accept a public flogging on RTE news. Might cheer us up a bit


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭ KrustyUCC


    titan18 wrote: »
    I'll accept a public flogging on RTE news. Might cheer us up a bit

    Ha lol


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭ froog


    the fact they said "a number" makes me think it was a lot.

    disgrace.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,334 ✭✭✭✭ SEPT 23 1989


    always read the instructions


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭ plodder


    always read the instructions
    I wonder what instructions did they receive?

    Mistakes will be made alright, but it would be nice to know what the cause was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭ Tzardine


    It was 22 vials. Approx 100 doses.

    Not great. Not terrible.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭ plodder


    22 vials should be at least 132 doses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭ Rubberchikken


    Seriously who is surprised, shocked or even willing to raise their eyebrows a tiny bit at the fact that the HSE screwed up, again?

    Its the only thing they ever do.

    They're useless, incompetent and the greatest waste of space known to man.
    I don't care how many covid-19 signs they produced last year, or how they're convinced this vaccine is the answer to everything, they will always be a bunch of inefficient middle managers each to concerned watching their own backs to actually be of any use.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭ Mr. Karate


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Mistakes shouldn't happen with such a precious resource

    It's unforgiveable

    Somebody should be held accountable and lose their job for this 'mistake'

    Then again it's Ireland so that will never happen

    Chances are the idiot has already been given a raise and a promotion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭ wheresthebeef


    The HSE are taking the flack for this but I highly suspect it was the nursing home that farked up here.
    We’ve been told time and time again since December : you need a separate, pharmacy grade fridge with a temperature data logger for storing the vaccine and only the vaccine. Prepare it, test it, monitor it.
    Plenty of muppets thinking they could get away with a domestic fridge, or just a thermometer in a cup of water.
    I spent €1100 on a fridge and WiFi temperature data logger for a vaccine that I had custody of for less than 12 hours for this reason. That little box of vials was the most valuable thing I’ve ever held in my hands.
    We had a site visit from vaccination team a week before and the day before to check we had everything in place. This should never have happened.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭ plodder


    The HSE are taking the flack for this but I highly suspect it was the nursing home that farked up here.
    We’ve been told time and time again since December : you need a separate, pharmacy grade fridge with a temperature data logger for storing the vaccine and only the vaccine. Prepare it, test it, monitor it.
    Plenty of muppets thinking they could get away with a domestic fridge, or just a thermometer in a cup of water.
    I spent €1100 on a fridge and WiFi temperature data logger for a vaccine that I had custody of for less than 12 hours for this reason. That little box of vials was the most valuable thing I’ve ever held in my hands.
    We had a site visit from vaccination team a week before and the day before to check we had everything in place. This should never have happened.
    So, what could have happened? Did they just forget to put the tray in the fridge overnight? Seems unlikely.

    Or maybe did they take the whole tray out at the start of the day and then went over the two hour limit for the stock they hadn't used up to that point?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭ lawrencesummers


    Does anyone think for one second that the HSE will rollout this vaccine without making shiyt of something?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭ Miike


    plodder wrote: »
    So, what could have happened? Did they just forget to put the tray in the fridge overnight? Seems unlikely.

    Or maybe did they take the whole tray out at the start of the day and then went over the two hour limit for the stock they hadn't used up to that point?

    Wait for the incident learning notice to come from this. It won't be long.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭ lawrencesummers


    Tzardine wrote: »
    It was 22 vials. Approx 100 doses.

    Not great. Not terrible.



    50 people in high risk category not getting vaccinated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭ Northernlily


    Lesson learned hopefully. Always going to be hiccups like this along the way unfortunately.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭ Miike


    Lesson learned hopefully. Always going to be hiccups like this along the way unfortunately.

    I don't think a single country hasn't had an issue like this so far.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭ StupidLikeAFox


    Its very unfortunate but 143000 people have been vaccinated so far - its inevitable that that there is going to be some mistakes along the way and if this 100 odd doses is the extent of it we won't be doing too bad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,494 ✭✭✭ Russman


    Ahh c’mon, people make mistakes, it happens. Nobody is perfect, move on. FFS.

    Lose their job over something like this ? Wtf !!


  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭ wheresthebeef


    plodder wrote: »
    So, what could have happened? Did they just forget to put the tray in the fridge overnight? Seems unlikely.

    Or maybe did they take the whole tray out at the start of the day and then went over the two hour limit for the stock they hadn't used up to that point?

    The only thing I can see going wrong is that they put it in a domestic fridge outside the parameters of 2-8 degrees meaning the vaccine clock of 6 hours would have started sometime during the night making it unusable. No excuse for it, the requirements were drilled into us.
    We had one job: keep the vaccine at the right temperature overnight until the vaccination team arrives on site.


  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭ wheresthebeef


    Its very unfortunate but 143000 people have been vaccinated so far - its inevitable that that there is going to be some mistakes along the way and if this 100 odd doses is the extent of it we won't be doing too bad.

    There’s 120 elderly folks and frontline workers who might feel very different about this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭ ForestFire


    50 people in high risk category not getting vaccinated.

    Yes of course this is the result of this mistake....
    While things like this should not be happening (But sometime mistake will happen regardless)....

    ....Sure Joan, the staff Nurse, has already gathered the elderly resident's to make the announcement earlier this afternoon....


    "Good morning all, unfortunately Mary the canteen lady, need some space to store here raspberry cheesecakes for todays deserts and removed all your vaccines from the fridge.....So you will now not be getting any vaccines for Covid ever.......but on a positive note, I do here the cheesecake is lovely....."

    Where in reality, all this mistake has done, is delayed the rollout for these people by a few days and overall in Ireland the total rollout by a few hours...

    Disclaimer:- None of the characters or events above are real and this story was based purely on a fictional nursing home....

    And as I said these things should still not be happening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭ hynesie08


    50 people in high risk category not getting vaccinated.
    There’s 120 elderly folks and frontline workers who might feel very different about this.

    Any confirmation that they didn't get vaccinated? We do have a reserve of vaccines, seems like this would be the perfect excuse to crack into them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭ wheresthebeef


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Any confirmation that they didn't get vaccinated? We do have a reserve of vaccines, seems like this would be the perfect excuse to crack into them.

    The statement says they managed to redirect 43 doses to partially vaccinate some people on site (hopefully all elderly) and the rest will need to wait for more supplies to come. Could be a week, hopefully less.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,194 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms


    Russman wrote: »
    Ahh c’mon, people make mistakes, it happens. Nobody is perfect, move on. FFS.

    Lose their job over something like this ? Wtf !!

    Why not ? IF the management of the facility directly fuçked up, or failed in their duty to oversee the performance of employees that their employees were ensuring proper storage of the resources... Somebody elsewhere or indeed in that facility could loose their life over the fückup.. !


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭ hynesie08


    The statement says they managed to redirect 43 doses to partially vaccinate some people on site (hopefully all elderly) and the rest will need to wait for more supplies to come. Could be a week, hopefully less.

    OK, well obviously someone ****ed up along the way (and it should be thoroughly investigated) but at least it wasn't a complete washout.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭ wheresthebeef


    Strumms wrote: »
    Why not ? IF the management of the facility directly fuçked up, or failed in their duty to oversee the performance of employees that their employees were ensuring proper storage of the resources... Somebody elsewhere or indeed in that facility could loose their life over the fückup.. !

    Yer man in the Coombe nearly got lynched for using up 2 doses. This level of incompetence is comparatively off the charts.


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