Have you been fined and will you pay?

FrStone

Has anyone on here been fined for breaking the 5km restriction? How did you get caught?

Will you bother paying?

Phoebas

FrStone wrote: »

Will you bother paying?

I think it's compulsory.

TheValeyard

Anyone who was fined by the Gardai over Covid were probably acting the cnut and deserve it.

PalLimerick

Phoebas wrote: »

I think it's compulsory.

Not if you'll do a few hours in a cell.

HBC08

I go outside the 5k almost everyday,I regularly meet the Gards.
Anybody who actually gets a fine is acting the pr1ck and deserves it.

Akrasia

HBC08 wrote: »

I go outside the 5k almost everyday,I regularly meet the Gards.
Anybody who actually gets a fine is acting the pr1ck and deserves it.

Had to travel yesterday from Clare to Cork. I have an Aunt who is in the final stages of terminal cancer and won’t survive this lockdown so I went to see her to say goodbye. Passed through 8 checkpoints. Was honest every time and had no problem at any of them.

The Gardai aren’t looking to fine anyone unless they’re clearly taking the p1ss

plodder

If you don't pay the fine, then you'll have to appear in court, with all that entails. Not worth that hassle unless you genuinely want to challenge it.

boombang

I don't know what happened to that gobshíte giving out to the young woman Garda that was on tape recently. I'd have fined that idiot.

As others have mentioned, any interactions with the Gardai I've had over the pandemic have been very civil. You'd need to be a trouble maker to be fined.

El_Duderino 09

plodder wrote: »

If you don't pay the fine, then you'll have to appear in court, with all that entails. Not worth that hassle unless you genuinely want to challenge it.

Calling John Waters and Gemma o Doherty...

Snotty

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Calling John Waters and Gemma o Doherty...

Please don't

niallo27

Akrasia wrote: »

Had to travel yesterday from Clare to Cork. I have an Aunt who is in the final stages of terminal cancer and won’t survive this lockdown so I went to see her to say goodbye. Passed through 8 checkpoints. Was honest every time and had no problem at any of them.

The Gardai aren’t looking to fine anyone unless they’re clearly taking the p1ss

8 checkpoints, is that 4 one way and back or 8 on the way down. I haven't met one yet in clare and limerick.

plodder

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Calling John Waters and Gemma o Doherty...

You have the right to challenge any fixed penalty notice in court, all the moreso in this case where there's an element of subjectivity on what constitutes an essential journey.

Not that any of the cases mentioned in the media, eg cyclists and walkers up the Wicklow Mountains would have much of a case, which is why I said 'genuinely'.

sporina

i had to go on an essential journey last week - came upon 2 checkpoints - one each way - but i wasn't stopped! Seemed they wer only stopping every other car or so.
I had a valid reason for traveling but still glad I wasn't stopped.. (I always get nervous around guards lol)

eviltwin

I get stopped at a checkpoint every morning heading to work. It’s a pain but they are only doing their job. Got held up last week so some dope giving them a hard time as if they are standing in the cold at half seven in the morning just for the craic.

return guide

Was stopped this morning going to the local recycling centre 500 meters from the house, with my other half. Was told if I didnt turn around i would be issued with a FPN as my journey was not deemed essential.

Atlantic Dawn

return guide wrote: »

Was stopped this morning going to the local recycling centre 500 meters from the house, with my other half. Was told if I didnt turn around i would be issued with a FPN as my journey was not deemed essential.

Were 2 of you needed for the trip?

return guide

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Were 2 of you needed for the trip?

That's what he said too. Wife works from home , first time out since being a close contact and a lot of of recycling since Christmas. so yes.

landofthetree

No and I havent broke the rules since the start.

But after April 1st I'm not going to be bound by any rules. I've had enough of it all. The government/EU should have everyone vaccinated in the risk category by then. All I ever hear is how the bad and corrupt the US,Israel and the UK are. So the great EU has no excuse.

I think most people will feel the same. People cant take much more of this.

grassylawn

landofthetree wrote: »

No and I havent broke the rules since the start.

But after April 1st I'm not going to be bound by any rules. I've had enough of it all. The government/EU should have everyone vaccinated in the risk category by then. All I ever hear is how the bad and corrupt the US,Israel and the UK are. So the great EU has no excuse.

I think most people will feel the same. People cant take much more of this.

It really depends on your situation.

There was a lockdown episode of Mythic Quest: Raven's Banquet, which is a great comedy by Rob McElhenney, who was the creator of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. It was filmed in the actors' own homes. McElhenney's home is a pretty fantastic compound, and his character's home was the same. His character would shoot inspirational videos for the others coaching them on how to manage lockdown - spend some time in your private gym, or meditating in your gardens. The others were shown in normal small urban apartments.

We have a nice big garden and the privacy that goes with that. A couple of years ago we had a little concrete yard which was very overlooked by the neighbours, our sitting room was very visible from the busy enough road outside, and you'd hear everything that happened next door. The difference the different house has made to our experience of lockdown is enormous really.

Phoebas

return guide wrote: »

Was stopped this morning going to the local recycling centre 500 meters from the house, with my other half. Was told if I didnt turn around i would be issued with a FPN as my journey was not deemed essential.

return guide wrote: »

That's what he said too. Wife works from home , first time out since being a close contact and a lot of of recycling since Christmas. so yes.

You made an non essential journey and you got caught and told to turn back.
That's just the rules being enforced as designed.

While it might seem a bit excessive in your case, doing recycling is not essential.
No point in having restrictions at all if we all put whatever interpretations we want on them.

inforfun

Only get stopped returning home from shopping.
Last time they asked "Bought anything nice?" "Yes, steaks"

Probably getting paranoid after 10 months locked inside alone but i had the idea they were trying to catch me out with that question

El_Duderino 09

landofthetree wrote: »

No and I havent broke the rules since the start.

But after April 1st I'm not going to be bound by any rules. I've had enough of it all. The government/EU should have everyone vaccinated in the risk category by then. All I ever hear is how the bad and corrupt the US,Israel and the UK are. So the great EU has no excuse.

I think most people will feel the same. People cant take much more of this.

I get that you’re being edgy, but that’s the attitude of a dope. Setting a random date and deciding you’re going to stop doing your bit for everyone.

The more people who take the dopey approach you’re outlining, the longer the restrictions will go on.

Hopefully the legislation will keep up with people’s behaviour and the Gardai will be able to deal with people who flout the rules.

Alun

Phoebas wrote: »

While it might seem a bit excessive in your case, doing recycling is not essential.
No point in having restrictions at all if we all put whatever interpretations we want on them.

Why are the recycling centres open then?

timeToLive

TheValeyard wrote: »

Anyone who was find by the Gardai over Covid were probably acting the cnut and deserve it.

disagree completely.. stay within 5km of your home? it's a joke. everyone who wants to break it will just lie to the guards and the people who abide by it will suffer


who cares if the guards are civil while removing peoples freedom?


going 6km from your home and sitting on a bench does not cause or spread covid. I await your angry replies :pac:

whisky_galore

landofthetree wrote: »

I think most people will feel the same. People cant take much more of this.

Ireland got kid glove treatment. Other parts of Europe had or are having curfews.

doublejobbing 2

Phoebas wrote: »

While it might seem a bit excessive in your case, doing recycling is not essential.
No point in having restrictions at all if we all put whatever interpretations we want on them.

See there's an odd one.

If he rams the recycling into the grey bin, and there's a lot of it, he can cop extra charges.

Does being extorted create an essential journey?

A few weeks ago I had my NCT, as I always do I drove to my mate's brother near Newry for the servicing beforehand.

Reason being chain garages in Dublin are inherently untrustworthy, I'd only attend them if the car is in danger of doing further damage to itself. Like any chain store they have sales targets, performance evaluations on staff, aggressive selling.

Was I justified in driving North because the Republic doesn't have any sort of inspection watchdog that goes after unscrupulous mechanics? All up I got a full service and two brake pads replaced for 220 quid- in Dublin you can pay 100 quid for a go on the diagnostic machine alone.

All that fandango

Phoebas wrote: »

You made an non essential journey and you got caught and told to turn back.
That's just the rules being enforced as designed.

While it might seem a bit excessive in your case, doing recycling is not essential.
No point in having restrictions at all if we all put whatever interpretations we want on them.

Your post reminded me of someone who I heard on the local radio during the week! Came on shouting the odds about people doing whatever they wanted. Then said she went to a town 30km away to drop off her recycling. Radio host latched onto this and gave her awful hell for it for talking out of both sides and rightly so. When asked why couldnt it wait a few more weeks, said she she hated seeing it build up.

hurikane

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

See there's an odd one.

If he rams the recycling into the grey bin, and there's a lot of it, he can cop extra charges.

Does being extorted create an essential journey?

A few weeks ago I had my NCT, as I always do I drove to my mate's brother near Newry for the servicing beforehand.

Reason being chain garages in Dublin are inherently untrustworthy, I'd only attend them if the car is in danger of doing further damage to itself.

Was I justified in driving North because the Republic doesn't have any sort of inspection watchdog that goes after unscrupulous mechanics? All up I got a full service and two brake pads replaced for 220 quid- in Dublin you can pay 100 quid for a go on the diagnostic machine alone.

Mother of god.

doublejobbing 2

hurikane wrote: »

Mother of god.

What?

The government has cut me from circa 800- 950 per week take home to 350 per week take home this month by leaving the airports open (from March in general, over Christmas in particular). You think I should stay out of the North because "we're all in this together"? You think I should part with an extra 200- 300 because of the negligible risk of catching Covid up there?

Car maintenance is an essential trip. It isn't my problem the government leaves the trade unregulated and therefore I had to travel for it.

Jimjay

Phoebas wrote: »

You made an non essential journey and you got caught and told to turn back.
That's just the rules being enforced as designed.

While it might seem a bit excessive in your case, doing recycling is not essential.
No point in having restrictions at all if we all put whatever interpretations we want on them.

Nonsense. The recycling centres are open as they are classed as an essential service. You have every right to go to one. The guard is talking rubbish ;-)

My friend is a delivery driver - he was stopped and asked if all the items in his van are essential items??? The guards seem to be very inconsistent with what is allowed and not.

hurikane

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

What?

The government has cut me from circa 800- 950 per week take home to 350 per week take home this month by leaving the airports open (from March in general, over Christmas in particular). You think I should stay out of the North because "we're all in this together"? You think I should part with an extra 200- 300 because of the negligible risk of catching Covid up there?

Car maintenance is an essential trip. It isn't my problem the government leaves the trade unregulated and therefore I had to travel for it.

Did you drive there and back listening to Gemma O Doherty podcasts too?

end of the road

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

See there's an odd one.

If he rams the recycling into the grey bin, and there's a lot of it, he can cop extra charges.

Does being extorted create an essential journey?

A few weeks ago I had my NCT, as I always do I drove to my mate's brother near Newry for the servicing beforehand.

Reason being chain garages in Dublin are inherently untrustworthy, I'd only attend them if the car is in danger of doing further damage to itself. Like any chain store they have sales targets, performance evaluations on staff, aggressive selling.

Was I justified in driving North because the Republic doesn't have any sort of inspection watchdog that goes after unscrupulous mechanics? All up I got a full service and two brake pads replaced for 220 quid- in Dublin you can pay 100 quid for a go on the diagnostic machine alone.

those would not count as essential journeys no .
there are other options available then taking those journeys, however you simply don't like those options (which of itself is perfectly fine)
this means ultimately you are choosing to take those journeys to avoid the other options available so could not be classed as essential.

quokula

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

What?

The government has cut me from circa 800- 950 per week take home to 350 per week take home this month by leaving the airports open (from March in general, over Christmas in particular). You think I should stay out of the North because "we're all in this together"? You think I should part with an extra 200- 300 because of the negligible risk of catching Covid up there?

Car maintenance is an essential trip. It isn't my problem the government leaves the trade unregulated and therefore I had to travel for it.

You think everything is the government's fault for not closing the airports before anyone knew how serious it was, while you also think freely crossing the land border we have with one of the most infected countries on the planet has no impact?

Jimjay

As per the governments website which lists essential services during level 5. Recycling centres are listed.
You have every right to go to the recycling centre as it IS classed as essential.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c9158-essential-services/

Electricity, gas, water, sewage and waste management
The following services relating to electricity, gas, water, sewage and waste management:

the generation, transmission, supply and distribution of electric power
the extraction and distribution of gas and decommissioning activities in relation to offshore gas field facilities
the collection, treatment and supply of water
the collection, treatment and disposal of sewage or wastewater
the collection of waste, remediation activities and other waste management treatment and disposal activities (including the operation of landfill sites, waste transfer stations, waste processing centres and recycling facilities or waste recovery)

HeidiHeidi

How about you start from the other end - everyone is required to stay home unless you actually need to go out.

You wanted to go to the recycling centre - did you need to go to the recycling centre? I'm willing to bet no.

Did the two of you need to go to the recycling centre? Definitely not.

El_Duderino 09

Phoebas wrote: »

You made an non essential journey and you got caught and told to turn back.
That's just the rules being enforced as designed.

While it might seem a bit excessive in your case, doing recycling is not essential.
No point in having restrictions at all if we all put whatever interpretations we want on them.

Whatever about going to the recycling centre, taking the Mrs for a trip out, just for the laugh, was probably the part the guards had a problem with.

Jimjay

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Whatever about going to the recycling centre, taking the Mrs for a trip out, just for the laugh, was probably the part the guards had a problem with.

Yeah, if they said they were going to the local takeaway they would have been waved through.

SmartinMartin

Jimjay wrote: »

As per the governments website which lists essential services during level 5. Recycling centres are listed.
You have every right to go to the recycling centre as it IS classed as essential.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c9158-essential-services/

Electricity, gas, water, sewage and waste management
The following services relating to electricity, gas, water, sewage and waste management:

the generation, transmission, supply and distribution of electric power
the extraction and distribution of gas and decommissioning activities in relation to offshore gas field facilities
the collection, treatment and supply of water
the collection, treatment and disposal of sewage or wastewater
the collection of waste, remediation activities and other waste management treatment and disposal activities (including the operation of landfill sites, waste transfer stations, waste processing centres and recycling facilities or waste recovery)

That doesn't say anything about recycling being allowed. It refers to running a recycling centre, an entirely different thing.

landofthetree

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I get that you’re being edgy, but that’s the attitude of a dope. Setting a random date and deciding you’re going to stop doing your bit for everyone.

The more people who take the dopey approach you’re outlining, the longer the restrictions will go on.

Hopefully the legislation will keep up with people’s behaviour and the Gardai will be able to deal with people who flout the rules.

The vast majority of us have kept to the rules so far.

The only reason why the Gardai can enforce the rules is because the vast majority of people accept them.

Once the rest of Europe is opening up in April and we havent even vaccinated the over 70s people will be fed up and give up on the rules.

whisky_galore

To be fair, where is anyone supposed to put a month or mores worth of junk about their house if they don't have a bin service?

aido79

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Calling John Waters and Gemma o Doherty...

You could probably add Ben Gilroy to that. He's put up 3 videos on Facebook in the past week advertising that he's driven from Navan to Dublin without a valid reason. It'd be like getting blood from a stone getting him to pay the fine.

pgj2015

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

See there's an odd one.

If he rams the recycling into the grey bin, and there's a lot of it, he can cop extra charges.

Does being extorted create an essential journey?

A few weeks ago I had my NCT, as I always do I drove to my mate's brother near Newry for the servicing beforehand.

Reason being chain garages in Dublin are inherently untrustworthy, I'd only attend them if the car is in danger of doing further damage to itself. Like any chain store they have sales targets, performance evaluations on staff, aggressive selling.

Was I justified in driving North because the Republic doesn't have any sort of inspection watchdog that goes after unscrupulous mechanics? All up I got a full service and two brake pads replaced for 220 quid- in Dublin you can pay 100 quid for a go on the diagnostic machine alone.

There isnt much hope for you if you cant find 1 honest mechanic in Dublin, a city with a population of 500,000 lol. you dont need a chain garage, a 1 man garage could do a service for you and fix your car. driving all the way to newry for a garage, talk about paranoid.

marcuslally2

No, not been fined. But hopeful that the majority of the cyclists out at at the weekends breaking the 5km get penalised.

Jimjay

SmartinMartin wrote: »

That doesn't say anything about recycling being allowed. It refers to running a recycling centre, an entirely different thing.

Go to any councils website and you will see that they all say their recycling centres are open as they are an essential service. They just ask people only bring day to day household recycling.

Eg: https://www.clarecoco.ie/services/waste-and-recycling/recycling-centres-and-transfer-stations/

Our Wicklow Co Co facebook page posts regularly that their recyling centres are open as normal (with COVID guidelines)

Dravokivich

Phoebas wrote: »

You made an non essential journey and you got caught and told to turn back.
That's just the rules being enforced as designed.

While it might seem a bit excessive in your case, doing recycling is not essential.
No point in having restrictions at all if we all put whatever interpretations we want on them.

Waste management is essential.

landofthetree

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

What?

The government has cut me from circa 800- 950 per week take home to 350 per week take home this month by leaving the airports open (from March in general, over Christmas in particular). You think I should stay out of the North because "we're all in this together"? You think I should part with an extra 200- 300 because of the negligible risk of catching Covid up there?

Car maintenance is an essential trip. It isn't my problem the government leaves the trade unregulated and therefore I had to travel for it.

I remember seeing the Gardai visiting the local shopping centre before Xmas to make sure people were keeping to the rules. Up in Dublin airport people were flying in from all over the world. What a joke.

Samsonsmasher

I use the bus dart and luas to get around. Nobody is checking where I am going or stopping me on the street looking for my papers.
I visit friends for chats watch movies and drink a few cans or I meet women on dating apps for coffees or a romantic night in.
I reckon a lot of people are doing the same.

Jim_Hodge

Dravokivich wrote: »

Waste management is essential.

Bringing the wife because she was stuck at home isn't. We could all use that excuse for going on a trip.


One person can easily take a car load to a recycling centre.

laoisgem

Dravokivich wrote: »

Waste management is essential.

Using it as an excuse to get out of the house for a while with the missus isn't!

HeidiHeidi

landofthetree wrote: »

I remember seeing the Gardai visiting the local shopping centre before Xmas to make sure people were keeping to the rules. Up in Dublin airport people were flying in from all over the world. What a joke.

Whataboutery.

Jimjay

landofthetree wrote: »

I remember seeing the Gardai visiting the local shopping centre before Xmas to make sure people were keeping to the rules. Up in Dublin airport people were flying in from all over the world. What a joke.

I’m not allowed to have people collect orders from outside my shop door but the queue for the takeaway next door can hang out outside my door all day long.

I’m not saying I should be allowed to open - I’m more wondering why takeaways are classed as essential.