What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120779715#Comment_120779715

But that doesn't prove anything Everlast, we're only allowed to fit the pieces together when it's stuff vs. the Bidens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120779715#Comment_120779715

That's not evidence for the claims made in her book.

It's evidence that Donald Trump has said creepy things in the past.

I'd like to think by now that there's an obvious difference between those two statements.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120779739#Comment_120779739

Again I'll pose the question, which authors have been sued by trump successfully?

In recent history, who has been proven right in her claims about trump's sleeze?

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120779628#Comment_120779628

They're always finding ways to backdoor their beliefs into the public space. The funniest one that backfired was the supposedly non-denominational invocation at the Pensacola council meetings, with the organisers presumably thinking it would be a de factor Christian prayer, only for a local leader of the local Satanic Temple to ask for a turn, more to show up the true intent than anything else.

It's not even about spreading the word of God for those people. It's really about enforcing what they think is their rightful ascendancy.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120779822#Comment_120779822

And they have huge tax sheltered war chests and the patience of kingdom come. There's always a downward drag on society to go back to the middle ages.

Overheal

Race to the bottom

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2024/desantis-copies-trump-vows-to-kill-drug-dealers-at-border-stone-cold-dead/

MAGA had all these grand illusions under Trump too, who even called up the National Guard to wash some cars and shine some tires and stand out there like a bunch of idiots while the base was allowed unchecked to imagine for themselves fantasies in the Trump administration of border crossers being flayed open by 20-something year old national guardsmen with bayonets and sniper fire. Shame for them that that's not how any of this works, but that hasn't stopped them from politicking on fear and turning a blind eye to hate crimes.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120779739#Comment_120779739

This is not a court of law.

We are allowed discuss previous behaviour with a view to establishing a propensity for that behaviour.

It makes it much more likely.

Why on earth you insist on giving this guy the benefit of the doubt when he has proved time and time again not to deserve it, is beyond me.

Overheal

Is the answer "dig her up?"

Igotadose

Update on the Bragg case in NY. Seems TiFG's crack legal team tried to move it to Federal Court, and failed. Another delaying attempt thwarted. https://www.salon.com/2023/06/28/so-much-winning-bid-to-dodge-ny-he-hates-shot-down-after-surprise-witness-backfires/

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120779022#Comment_120779022

I understand there may be financial penalties for filing such a frivolous suit

everlast75

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1674227493673267201?s=20

Me every time Christie dumps on 45....

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120781576#Comment_120781576

Christie lays it out pretty well. I'm going to guess the extreme MAGA crowd will reject him automatically for daring to question their God-King Trump, but can he persuade moderate GOP voters? Could calling out Trump's corruption from a GOP point of view actually work? Would be interesting to see....

Overheal

Talking about Trump's Queen - Rudy Giuliani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds5YIDVA9zQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvzYZCdVpDk

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120781651#Comment_120781651

Chris Christie is almost a 5th columnist at this point.

He hasn't a ghost of a chance in the primaries , but he seems to have taken up the task of "Make sure Trump doesn't win".

Can't see him succeeding in stopping Trump in the Primaries, but the damage he could do to Trump with moderate voters in the actual Election could be significant.

If he spends the next 6+ Months hammering away at Trump across all the right-wing media he gets that negative messaging into the channels actually consumed by right leaning voters.

He also provides the Democrats with free advertising content - Christie tearing into Trump on a debate stage would be great to see.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120782791#Comment_120782791

I'm picking up a conscience of the centre-right vibe from Christie. Has he been tearing into Trump regularly or is this a recent thing, I wonder?

I think you're right about the damage he could do to Trump or, if he opted to continue his criticism, to another MAGA candidate.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120782857#Comment_120782857

Christie has been pretty vocal in his opposition to Trump for quite a while but he ramped things up significantly after January 6th.

And since he jumped into the 2024 race the gloves seem to have come off completely though, he's also started going after Jared & Ivanka as well.

Bear in mind that Christie was the one that put Jared Kushners father , Charles in Prison for illegal campaign contributions , Tax evasion and witness tampering.

The Witness tampering was especially classy - Charles Kushner hired a Prostitute to seduce his brother in law so he could record him "in flagrante delicto" so he could influence his testimony in the court case.

Trump of course pardoned him.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120782904#Comment_120782904

Ah, but Obama pardoned people too, so they are both the same... Or something /s

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120782640#Comment_120782640

It was only a matter of time, considering trump didn't pay his legal fees due to him, that Rudi flipped

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120773709#Comment_120773709

If he gets to the Presidential election all most people will look at is are they Republican Party or Democrat Party. It will come to the Independent voters

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120783864#Comment_120783864

Yeah the problem for Trump will be locking in the independent voters as he is toxic with them. Obviously you can't treat polls as the Gospel at this stage but you can look at the swing states in the midterms where the Trump acolytes went up in smoke that was due to the Trump factor.

Look at Arizona, Republicans did well in most races but lost the most visible election aka the Governor race because Kari Lake ran on nothing bar shouting MAGA, Georgia where Walker lost, Nevada where Laxalt lost etc. Independent voters don't mind voting conservative but MAGA is a toxic brand for them and obviously you don't get more MAGA than Trump.

Obviously Trump has still a viable path to the presidency, but once the "rematch" between him and Biden is official he is the underdog.

ohnonotgmail

Koch raising large sums of money to ensure Trump doesn't get the nomination

https://news.yahoo.com/koch-network-raises-over-70-164339415.html

everlast75

Giddy up!!

https://twitter.com/AntiToxicPeople/status/1674484794980438016?s=20

banie01

In additional news that will shock absolutely nobody. 3 arrests in an insider trading probe of the SPAC that was set up to buy Trump's social media efforts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-today-e-jean-carroll-ivanka-b2366272.html

everlast75

In other news, more of Trump's BS proven to be lies

https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1674527576973246472?s=20

paxreseuropa

Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that Donald Trump broke multiple laws between the January 6th Insurrection, to trying to overturn election results in states by threatening state and electoral officials and if all of that carry-on wasn't bad enough he quite literally stole federal documents containing highly sensitive information and material, and if it is to be believed he also shared some of this knowledge with people who had zero security clearance.

Now luckily for Donald there is not a hope in hell that he could be tried before a jury of his peers in a fair trial as there isn't a soul in the Western Hemisphere who hasn't heard at least something about these crimes, and as he is pleading not guilty to all accounts both present and future his cases will have to go to trial. I can't see how the jury won't become unreliable and in effect cause the collapse of any trial involving Donald Trump on these matters. Also, I believe it may be several years before if ever we see him actually go to trial for these crimes and at his advanced age there is every chance that he may be deceased by then.

Now, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to go to prison or for some form of punishment to be given to him; I'm just saying I think it will be extremely difficult to bring down the hammer on him due to media coverage and general opinion held on him by the average person.

For the foreseeable however, barring some calamitous shitshow incident I can't see how anyone is going to beat him to the Republican nomination; he pretty much (in my opinion) has that in the bag. His main concern would be trying to win over moderates and whilst Biden is without a doubt not only one of the less than desirable Presidents of modern times, he should also not be allowed to run due to his mental incapacity, the man is simply not fit to be President as of two years ago at the very least, never mind run for and complete a second term. However, as the DNC are acting like the CCP it is somewhat difficult to see how any other Democratic candidates will be able to gain enough momentum to seriously challenge Biden and unseat him as the 2024 Democratic nominee (Bobby Kennedy Jr. being the most likely if any but still an outsider, even hovering around 20% according to recent polls).

So it seems it will be a repeat of 2020 and I believe that Biden will turnout as the winner of the election again, however, this time with a smaller vote count and tighter electoral college vote difference. All of which will only further enrage Trump and inflame his base, and their claims that the election was rigged and the system are out to get him.

I am genuinely worried for the United States of America for the 5th of November might just be the starting date for the second insurrection in the United States in less than four years and at the helm of the United States government and military forces will be 81 year old (2 weeks shy of his 82nd birthday) President Joe Biden who can't coherently string a sentence together never mind command a military or quash an insurrection of the size that we might witness in less than 16 months.

odyssey06

Another memory "lapse" from Trump @[Deleted User]

No record of this standing order he claims to remember.

We await your expression of concern for Trumps conduct here.

Embarrassing? Indefensible? Both?

randomname2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120785001#Comment_120785001

I'm no fan of Trump but agree with most of what you quoted.

It will be very difficult to get him convicted and in prison, given all of his delaying tactics and appeals etc. He deserves to be, but seeing it happen is a different story.

If he is in the primaries he is likely to win as the votes for others will be split. I am torn about whether or not I want him to be in the primaries. I can't seem him getting enough independent voters to win the election if he is the republican candidate (outside of election shenanigans, gerrymandering, removing people from voting registers, etc), whereas some other candidate might, but would like to see him pay for his crimes which would prevent him being on the ticket. And yes he has committed crimes keeping documents if nothing else.

I do think Biden is far from ideal as the president of the USA for the next four years, but there won't be another candidate put forward. If you look at the jobs you are forced to retire from well before reaching your 80s, then being president of the 'free world' should also be one of them.

If Trump runs in the primaries and is chosen by the republican party, and is not elected president then another violent day is definitely on the cards

Thinking that Trump might not be in prison, and might contest the election and might stir up violence if he loses, and that Biden is not the ideal choice (better than Trump, absolutely) does not mean that someone is pro Trump

Water John

Ah yes, we'll have a civil war and it will be all Biden's fault. That's the Executive summary.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120784996#Comment_120784996

Clearly, it's cognitive decline.

Overheal

Proud Boys lieutenant arrested on charges of molesting a 13 year old; where are Moms 4 Liberty now?