What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Overheal

Breaking now: SCOTUS agrees to take up the Trump immunity plea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fszIvJ9xHv8

This results in months of procedural delays for federal cases.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830569#Comment_121830569

FFS

https://twitter.com/harrylitman/status/1762963907453317520?s=20

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828378#Comment_121828378

Well, this aged like milk

tobefrank321

Trump isnt even president again and he's already having a strong influence in Washington.

He said he could end the Ukraine-Russia conflict in one day and his plan seems to be to stop sending aid to Ukraine and force them to give up a large portion of their country, (territory for peace its termed).

And Johnston appears to be already implementing this plan, giving Putin a handy dig out.

Trump really is a dangerous individual.

PropJoe10

This really is a staggeringly stupid decision by the Supreme Court. If they agree with Trump's arguments then it's pretty much the end of any sort of accountability for a rogue US president. And even if they don't, this will likely delay this trial until after the election now. A very bad day for US democracy.

everlast75

Don Jnr, who cheated on his wife, and whose dad cheated on his mother, posted this.

Stay classy

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830746#Comment_121830746

A very bad day for US democracy.

aidanodr

The USA Constitution with its "Checks and Balances" getting ripped up and chucked out the window by Trump.

Meanwhile all others standing around with that human flaw of .. Oh my god he wouldnt do that .. would he

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830598#Comment_121830598

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830746#Comment_121830746

Steve Vladeck explained the decision to CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/28/politics/trump-supreme-court-immunity/index.html

briany

Trump's first criminal trial is due to begin, what, next month? If he's found guilty, there, then that'll be another unprecedented situation where a top candidate for the US presidency is campaigning under a criminal conviction. That would be the test. If he doesn't lose popularity or isn't handed a sentence, then any subsequent trials amount to free publicity.

Overheal

IL removes Trump from ballot for insurrection clause

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY5q85tv2zY

Overheal

"45 days [for SCOTUS to act] when a ruling could hurt Trump, but 130 days when a ruling - the delay, can help Trump. This is the essence of this Supreme Court."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He0IU4-lo40

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830617#Comment_121830617

Has it do not see them ruled in favour yet and no way in he'll they will as this thread has said time and time again. No chance of him winning anyway

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831060#Comment_121831060

They appear to be providing a delay which may ensure he never sees a trial. Provided he wins the election in November, or Haley does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBvJlTqGFaM

everlast75

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1762977986708414576?s=20

Every cloud .....

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831118#Comment_121831118

As cathartic as that would be, the reality is SCOTUS will probably just take its sweet time affirming what the lower court already crossed every t and dotted every i of. The idea that SCOTUS would immunize POTUS to you know, assassinate them, and the Congress, universally unlikely result of this hearing. I wager it's about the delay though, dressed up as bs reasoning for getting involved instead of just perfunctorily refusing to hear the case with the finite time SCOTUS has each session, to waste time on a ruling that is all but foregone. As some court watchers pointed out too they don't even necessarily have to issue a decision this session they could wait till the last day and say 'yknow, we just don't know, we need more evidence and an evidentiary hearing' and push it back to next judicial session, which starts in October, and then still take their sweet time with it. But they want to be thorough you see, because they don't want anyone to think they are deliberately wasting anyone's time...

...When simply refusing to challenge the lower court's ruling would have sufficed.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831131#Comment_121831131

My tongue was firmly in my cheek for sure.

Yep, that's exactly what SCOTUS are doing.

Leaving Bragg's case, universally acknowledged as the weakest case, with the potential of Trump defeating it, resulting in him spewing how not just that case, but all the cases are invalid.

Infuriating.

Overheal

Interestingly according to a segment here the court is only hearing a portion of the lower case, a part of the case dealing with Double Jeopardy. Trump claims Impeachment Two was his first prosecution for January 6 so therefore he’s not allowed to be prosecuted again.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/double_jeopardy

I don’t personally see it flying.

"No person shall . . . be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb . . . . "

Impeachment from federal office doesn’t put defendants in jeopardy of ‘life or limb.’ The meaning of this seems quite plain to me. Impeachment only involves jeopardy of removal from office and being barred from holding future office. It’s even more bizarre when you factor that the whole Seal Team Six argument from his lawyers was that in order to be prosecuted for such an assassination they alleged the president would have to be “swiftly impeached” and THEN a prosecution could occur so they’re just throwing **** at the wall

https://youtu.be/EC6ZRvBP0tY?si=qC29lxqrD8qhnF-G

Raoul Duke III

Trump has had a very good week so far unfortunately:

• walloped Haley in SC and Michigan
• The SC has taken up his immunity claim which basically torpedoes his most serious criminal case until post-election
• Solidified even further his control over the RNC
• Mitch McConnell stepping down, no doubt to be replaced by a proper ring-kisser

Maybe the Stormy Daniels trial will be the next speed bump for him.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830746#Comment_121830746

It's all about the delay.

They wont find that he has immunity ,but all the back and forth will mean that the Smith case wont' start until August/September and won't be decided before the Election.

They are giving him every shot at avoiding this without actually ruling in his favour.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831373#Comment_121831373

Yes, that's the reality.

The one thing I really don't get is why the DoJ had to wait until 2023 to bring the indictments. Surely they could, and should, have gotten ahead of the political calendar and given themselves space to head off all the Trump delay tactics.

Of course no-one could have foreseen the Georgia prosecutors going all amateur hour with their personal relationships screwing up the case down there!

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831359#Comment_121831359

Do you really think that badly underperforming the polls in Michigan (i dont know about SC) can be considered net positive for him?

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831455#Comment_121831455

Winning 70-30 in a contested primary? That's a landslide. So yes, net positive.

Trump doesn't need to expend any more energy or political capital on the primary at this point, he's a lock, it's done. He can start campaigning in the general right now - and is.

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831535#Comment_121831535

Not when the polls were suggesting more so I disagree.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831434#Comment_121831434

I'm guessing that the US DoJ wanted to really get its ducks in a row in terms of prosecuting Trump. The criminal cases against Trump seem like total slam dunks but the semantic and technical defenses Trump's representation would use have to be taken into consideration, and so all evidence and testimony must be watertight. That takes time to gather.

The hush money trial is set to begin late next month. I read that it's a Class E felony under the US system, which can carry various sentences upon conviction but prison time is certainly one of those. If he's convicted, there, then he's officially a criminal. Whatever else he might be convicted of from that point on would really just be degrees of the thing. All these people who said they'd change their mind about him if convicted of a crime, they may get an opportunity to do that before the Summer is out.

@Quin_Dub

It's all about the delay.

They wont find that he has immunity ,but all the back and forth will mean that the Smith case wont' start until August/September and won't be decided before the Election.

They are giving him every shot at avoiding this without actually ruling in his favour.

Yes, but what aspect of the opinion were Trump's legal team able to challenge, such that the US Supreme Court decided to actually hear the case? I've heard news pundits saying the legal opinion of the DC Court was watertight.

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831434#Comment_121831434

One theory is that they still want Trump to be the GOP nominee as Biden has beaten him once already. If they proceeded in 2022, they may have had DeSantis or Haley as his opponent in November. Think it was one of the DeSantis campaign (in fairness there were a lot) that claimed the various indictments sucked the oxygen out of the contest.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831602#Comment_121831602

I don't think that they have said what aspect they think needs further review and they don't have to.

The case won't be heard until the very end of April, they'll take a week or two for hearings, then they'll disappear for at least a month or more to "deliberate" so it will be late June or perhaps later before we get an actual decision . Which means even with everybody moving at top speed, the earliest trial date will be some time in August when early voting will be starting.

It also brings things inside the DOJs own self-imposed 90 day window prior to an election when they try not do "unduly impact" elections.

This is the absolute best possible outcome for Trump here.

EltonJohn69

I wonder who will replace Mitch ? If Trump gets in will he just decide to change the laws and maybe put Don jr. in ? He did say he was going full dictator from day one

MICKEYG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831665#Comment_121831665

You are confusing the DOJ with the Democrat Party. They are independent of each other despite what soem here would say.

bog master

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831826#Comment_121831826

Interesting point made on CNN last night re:DOJ and 90 day window. It has been an unofficial rule not to set up/announce an investigation or indict immediately prior to the election, but the pundit said it does not necessarily apply if the indictment has been made.