civil Service probation

westmeathlad44

Hi Just wondering if anyone has their probation suspended in the cs and what was the outcome. Is increments affected if this happens ? Do increments be backdated?

Why was it suspended?

westmeathlad44

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Why was it suspended?

Said it down to remote working

Valresnick

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Hi Just wondering if anyone has their probation suspended in the cs and what was the outcome. Is increments affected if this happens ? Do increments be backdated?

Backdated increments? It’s a once a year increase. How many years have you missed getting it ? Surely if you are on probation you’re only new to the civil service !

Sinus pain

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Said it down to remote working

I had two guys on probation remote working - have you actually been ‘working’ ie have you been able to work?

By increments I assume you mean you will get your increment from the date you started not the date your probation completed?

westmeathlad44

Valresnick wrote: »

Backdated increments? It’s a once a year increase. How many years have you missed getting it ? Surely if you are on probation you’re only new to the civil service !

Ya backdated as as will miss it on anniversary date due to suspension of probation started last year

HalfAndHalf

What area do you work in, if you don’t mind me asking?

Valresnick

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Ya backdated as as will miss it on anniversary date due to suspension of probation started last year

Oh I see, maybe ask your HR or Peoplepoint ?

westmeathlad44

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

What area do you work in, if you don’t mind me asking?

Part of justice

westmeathlad44

Valresnick wrote: »

Oh I see, maybe ask your HR or Peoplepoint ?

Heard a rumour that other cs departments just waivered probation. It will be 15mths for me to get permanent and an increase

westmeathlad44

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Part of justice

Co

HalfAndHalf

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Part of justice

Doing what?

westmeathlad44

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Doing what?

CO

HalfAndHalf

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

CO

OH!

westmeathlad44

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Said it down to remote working

Thats nonsense. If you are working from home, you're working regardless of location.

Are you in the union?

westmeathlad44

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Thats nonsense. If you are working from home, you're working regardless of location.

Are you in the union?

The problem is l wasn't but neither was anyone else Ya in union but in small office so unsure to push it

Sinus pain

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

The problem is l wasn't but neither was anyone else Ya in union but in small office so unsure to push it

I think you’ll find they are!

Have you equipment to work on?

westmeathlad44

Sinus pain wrote: »

I think you’ll find they are!

Have you equipment to work on?

Yes they are now i talking bout April May June I still don't have equipment

westmeathlad44

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Yes they are now i talking bout April May June I still don't have equipment

I'd push it. Ask what their justification is. It's not your fault, you were available for work.

Sinus pain

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Yes they are now i talking bout April May June I still don't have equipment

Then it’s not really your fault you can’t work - but In fairness your worried about an increment and you haven’t worked since March....

westmeathlad44

Sinus pain wrote: »

Then it’s not really your fault you can’t work - but In fairness your worried about an increment and you haven’t worried since March....

Ya whatever if u read the messages right u'd know when I was working

westmeathlad44

SouthWesterly wrote: »

I'd push it. Ask what their justification is. It's not your fault, you were available for work.

I know just posted here to see if it happened to anyone else thanks

Sinus pain

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

The problem is l wasn't but neither was anyone else Ya in union but in small office so unsure to push it

This clearly states you weren’t though?

westmeathlad44

Sinus pain wrote: »

This clearly states you weren’t though?

My department there was no co's working round the country April May some back in june I back July p/t office but no remote.

Sinus pain

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

My department there was no co's working round the country April May some back in june I back July p/t office but no remote.

But you never said that. Anyways you didn’t work for three months - so a three month extension would be fair?

westmeathlad44

Sinus pain wrote: »

But you never said that. Anyways you didn’t work for three months - so a three month extension would be fair?

Maybe it would if I didn't hear probation was rubber-stamped in other departments during covid-19 plus can you use one rule for full time and one for those on probation?

Sinus pain

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Maybe it would if I didn't hear probation was rubber-stamped in other departments during covid-19 plus can you use one rule for full time and one for those on probation?

So maybe put that forward in your case and ask the union for advice . You can’t be at a disadvantage to other people - if they weren’t working remote but passed their probation that’s unfair on you.

But in fairness I was also on probation during lockdown for a few months - I worked my ass off - it would be unfair to me if someone who did nothing for three months ( and had the summer off!) passed probation while not being able to prove themselves. I also had two staff memebers on probation who worked everyday

Two sides to every coin.

westmeathlad44

Sinus pain wrote: »

So maybe put that forward in your case and ask the union for advice . You can’t be at a disadvantage to other people - if they weren’t working remote but passed their probation that’s unfair on you.

But in fairness I was also on probation during lockdown for a few months - I worked my ass off - it would be unfair to me if someone who did nothing for three months ( and had the summer off!) passed probation while not being able to prove themselves. I also had two staff memebers on probation who worked everyday

Two sides to every coin.

Yes there is always two sides to a coin but I didn't say to them I wanted to stay at home that was their policy I was always available to work those days so would it not be down to bad management ?

Sinus pain

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

Yes there is always two sides to a coin but I didn't say to them I wanted to stay at home that was their policy I was always available to work those days so would it not be down to bad management ?

I suppose you could argue that - in fairness your manager should have been in touch and making sure you had work you could do.

Look there is no harm in asking - all they can say is no!

westmeathlad44

Sinus pain wrote: »

I suppose you could argue that - in fairness your manager should have been in touch and making sure you had work you could do.

Look there is no harm in asking - all they can say is no!

It hard to know what to do it only a small office and only in the door as they say. I am just thinking about even mobility, career break etc all pushed out further if I wanted to use them. Plus now it looking like 15mths to get full time and lose three months increment even if it only a small amount

Augme

Struggling to see how you can make a good case here. As for other departments simply waiving probation, that's just incompetence.

Staff who go on maternity leave have their probation frozen and rightly so. The point of probation is to judge someone work performance. Can't do that if they aren't working.

westmeathlad44

Augme wrote: »

Struggling to see how you can make a good case here. As for other departments simply waiving probation, that's just incompetence.

Staff who go on maternity leave have their probation frozen and rightly so. The point of probation is to judge someone work performance. Can't do that if they aren't working.

I am not disputing what probation does it's they way it was handled that is the problem

Kirbi

Civil Service HR Policy made allowance for orgs to pause the probation process in their Covid-19 guidelines, I'm afraid. However, they were encouraged to continue it if they could (I'm guessing this means where the officers continued working in the same role without much of a break).

If you'd like a more comprehensive explanation, I'd recommend contacting your HR - it should have gone through them for approval.

I haven't seen or heard of anyone having their probation waived, and it's definitely not officially allowed. But, saying that, all probation processes in my org continued despite Covid - we're all working remotely, so it makes sense here (NSSO in Dublin).

pew

westmeathlad44 wrote: »

My department there was no co's working round the country April May some back in june I back July p/t office but no remote.

I was a co in justice until recently and I was working both remotely and in the office since the pandemic started, as was everynone else in the office.

westmeathlad44

pew wrote: »

I was a co in justice until recently and I was working both remotely and in the office since the pandemic started, as was everynone else in the office.

Grand our department didn't get remote working till June for some

westmeathlad44

Kirbi wrote: »

Civil Service HR Policy made allowance for orgs to pause the probation process in their Covid-19 guidelines, I'm afraid. However, they were encouraged to continue it if they could (I'm guessing this means where the officers continued working in the same role without much of a break).

If you'd like a more comprehensive explanation, I'd recommend contacting your HR - it should have gone through them for approval.

I haven't seen or heard of anyone having their probation waived, and it's definitely not officially allowed. But, saying that, all probation processes in my org continued despite Covid - we're all working remotely, so it makes sense here (NSSO in Dublin).

The union told me some departments were grand and others not I was just posting here to see if it happened to others and outcomes rather than trying the union and causing trouble when it only a small office I am in . The service was able to supply equipment to assist with working from home for some. Like I said in previous messages I didn't cause covid-19 but getting penalised for things out of my control.

PhoenixParker

Unless they've specified that your increment day will change as a result of your extended probation I would not expect that to be affected. Write to them requesting clarification.

Extending probation sounds legitimate in the circumstances you describe. Unless you're about to buy a house and urgently need permanent status id go with it.

At this point if you're doing OK the extra 3 months mean little. If there are struggles on your record then they either guillotine it now or you have 3 extra months to redeem yourself.

What may happen or not in other depts or what youve heard are totally irrelevant tbh

In the circumstances your management and hr wont have any trouble justifying a delay if they so wish

Ask yr hr what the situation is, thats the height of it