Why are we backing down to the New Irish?

bigpink

Why is it so bad that a criminal was caught
Disgraceful scenes from the New Irish

soso02

bigpink wrote: »

Why is it so bad that a criminal was caught

Because this tragic event has demonstrated the need for the gardai to undergo more thorough training. It beggars belief that 15 gardai were unable to disarm one man.
The criminal was not just caught, he was killed. What makes George less deserving of Martin Nolan's judgement than the many other scumbags that reside in this country ? Showing such contempt to our judicial system is a dangerous path to tread.

The protestors however would be better served focusing their attention on the shortcomings of the gardai.
It is not right to equate the actions of George to those of immigrants and it's clear you're just looking to stir. You and the protestors are well matched in that regard.

Birneybau

P!ss off

Realt Dearg Sec

"we"?

I've nothing in common with you.

bigpink

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

"we"?

I've nothing in common with you.

Are you Irish? Believe in law and order?Open to other people and cultures

frag420

What’s a “New Irish” ?

endacl

Who's 'backing down'?

There was an incident. GSOC are investigating as mandated in all such incidents. They'll make their recommendations, and we'll all move on. Some folks will twit and bookface about it. Most people won't. Some people will jump up and down. Most people won't. Self-serving politicians, and self-serving and spurious 'academics' will have plenty to say about it, until they're on to the next item. Feel free to ignore them.

Remember Abbylara? There was a man shot by a member of the ERU, who was later found to have acted correctly and within the law? Without googling, can you name the guy who was shot? Thought not. Neither could I.

A year or two from now, most people will have to be reminded that this happened at all. Not the Man's family and friends, and I'm sorry for their loss. For most of us though, somebody will mention 'yer man that was shot in Blanch. Y'know? The mad lad with the machete'. And we won't remember the details without google.

frag420

bigpink wrote: »

Are you Irish? Believe in law and order?Open to other people and cultures

Yes, yes and yes!

That’s three for three, what do I win?

A new Irish?

bigpink

frag420 wrote: »

What’s a “New Irish” ?

The Africans causing chaos in Dublin

fantaiscool

stupid thread. Who are the "we" you're on about? Not me certainly. "new irish". You sound like alt right scum.

soso02

bigpink wrote: »

Believe in law and order

Which is why you should be up in arms over the failure of the gardai to afford him a fair trial and to receive a proportionate punishment.
How can we entrust these very same people to police our nation ?

bigpink

frag420 wrote: »

Yes, yes and yes!

That’s three for three, what do I win?

A new Irish?

New Irish like the Polish African etc
In this case Africans are causing chaos and people are afraid to call out criminal behaviour

bigpink

So it's ok for Africans to be kicking off in Dublin?The shooting wasn't racist it was tragic but the Gardai didn't shoot him because he was black

MarkR

bigpink wrote: »

Why is it so bad that a criminal was caught
Disgraceful scenes from the New Irish

He wasn't caught, he was killed.

Are the new Irish the babies that were born today? They're only a day old, so you can't expect much out of them.

soso02

bigpink wrote: »

The Africans causing chaos in Dublin

Because "our own" are so well behaved

o1s1n

soso02 wrote: »

Because this tragic event has demonstrated the need for the gardai to undergo more thorough training. It beggars belief that 15 gardai were unable to disarm one man.
The criminal was not just caught, he was killed. What makes George less deserving of Martin Nolan's judgement than the many other scumbags that reside in this country ? Showing such contempt to our judicial system is a dangerous path to tread.

The protestors however would be better served focusing their attention on the shortcomings of the gardai.
It is not right to equate the actions of George to those of immigrants and it's clear you're just looking to stir. You and the protestors are well matched in that regard.

If an armed man lunges at a Garda with a knife he'll get shot.

It's fairly simple. What 'more thorough' training is needed?

bigpink

soso02 wrote: »

Which is why you should be up in arms over the failure of the gardai to afford him a fair trial and to receive a proportionate punishment.
How can we entrust these very same people to police our nation ?

Yeah I agree to a certain extent but it seemed a very dangerous situation
But you think they shot him because he was black?

bigpink

soso02 wrote: »

Because "our own" are so well behaved

No they are not
But I'd expect better from people giving a new life in this country

An Ri rua

endacl wrote: »

Who's 'backing down'?

There was an incident. GSOC are investigating as mandated in all such incidents. They'll make their recommendations, and we'll all move on. Some folks will twit and bookface about it. Most people won't. Some people will jump up and down. Most people won't. Self-serving politicians, and self-serving and spurious 'academics' will have plenty to say about it, until they're on to the next item. Feel free to ignore them.

Remember Abbylara? There was a man shot by a member of the ERU, who was later found to have acted correctly and within the law? Without googling, can you name the guy who was shot? Thought not. Neither could I.

A year or two from now, most people will have to be reminded that this happened at all. Not the Man's family and friends, and I'm sorry for their loss. For most of us though, somebody will mention 'yer man that was shot in Blanch. Y'know? The mad lad with the machete'. And we won't remember the details without google.

I can remember John's name as he was a neighbour. He was not treated correctly during the siege and they were way below par in that regard. It contributed to his death. It was a very sloppy operation and there was quite a bit of disquiet towards the report and outcome. FBI my hole.
So don't talk so freely while disrespecting someone. Abbeylara was complex and a ****-up start to finish. He was no criminal.

frag420

bigpink wrote: »

New Irish like the Polish African etc
In this case Africans are causing chaos and people are afraid to call out criminal behaviour

I’m pretty sure it was mentioned that the victim had indeed stabbed someone in a shop and attempted to stab some police too so nobody is afraid to call out criminal behaviour, it’s been reported!

You’re just pissed off as nobody with a right mind is calling him out for being black and/or African and this winds you up no end!!

Polish African?

bigpink

MarkR wrote: »

He wasn't caught, he was killed.

Are the new Irish the babies that were born today? They're only a day old, so you can't expect much out of them.

New Irish would be the new wave of culture s and people that why moves here
The media one Irish times even use the term
Was he killed because he was black?
Why Are the African community here making it a racist issue?

endacl

soso02 wrote: »

Which is why you should be up in arms over the failure of the gardai to afford him a fair trial and to receive a proportionate punishment.
How can we entrust these very same people to police our nation ?

I'd argue he denied himself, through his actions, any alternative to the outcome he met.

I trust the guards implicitly and explicitly in this regard.

bigpink

frag420 wrote: »

I’m pretty sure it was mentioned that the victim had indeed stabbed someone in a shop and attempted to stab some police too so nobody is afraid to call out criminal behaviour, it’s been reported!

You’re just pissed off as nobody with a right mind is calling him out for being black and/or African and this winds you up no end!!

Polish African?

Polish and Africans would be classe as new Irish

frag420

bigpink wrote: »

New Irish would be the new wave of culture s and people that why moves here
The media one Irish times even use the term
Was he killed because he was black?
Why Are the African community here making it a racist issue?

You’re the one making it a race issue with your “new Irish” shoite

bigpink

So what's the view on the behaviour of the African community in Dublin in the aftermath of this shooting?
People being attacked
They attacked the shop where he was shot
That's wrong in my book?

bigpink

frag420 wrote: »

You’re the one making it a race issue with your “new Irish” shoite

Ok what term am I allowed use?
Black African Afro Irish people if colour?

frag420

bigpink wrote: »

Polish and Africans would be classe as new Irish

Maybe by racists, nationalists, xenophobics, Gemma supporters etc but nobody I know refers to the Polish or Africans as mew Irish...

eviltwin

bigpink wrote: »

So what's the view on the behaviour of the African community in Dublin in the aftermath of this shooting?
People being attacked
They attacked the shop where he was shot
That's wrong in my book?

The entire African community? That was a handful of teens. I wouldn’t go judging an entire group by it.

fantaiscool

bigpink wrote: »

So what's the view on the behaviour of the African community in Dublin in the aftermath of this shooting?
People being attacked
They attacked the shop where he was shot
That's wrong in my book?

Why don't you talk about the kinahan/hutches or other irish criminals? there's no shortage. The "new irish" are an easy target. You and others like you show your cowardice and racism with your one-sided attack.

endacl

An Ri rua wrote: »

I can remember John's name as he was a neighbour. He was not treated correctly during the siege and they were way below par in that regard. It contributed to his death. It was a very sloppy operation and there was quite a bit of disquiet towards the report and outcome. FBI my hole.
So don't talk so freely while disrespecting someone. Abbeylara was complex and a ****-up start to finish. He was no criminal.

I wasn't disrespecting anybody. Simply pointing out that for the vast majority of people, unconnected with the deceased, he's now out of mind and out of memory.

I never insinuated he was a criminal. The only thing I said about him was that he was shot, and was from a particular townland.

For context.

Cluedo Monopoly

frag420 wrote: »

What’s a “New Irish” ?

I think you have to go to a Gaelscoil and also learn how to do Irish dancing. You must also know how to play the fiddle/accordion.
You must also be an expert in grants.

bigpink

eviltwin wrote: »

The entire African community? That was a handful of teens. I wouldn’t go judging an entire group by it.

Not at all but the community are getting a bad name over it

Spanish Eyes

soso02 wrote: »

Because "our own" are so well behaved

Get a life. This is different. The brother wants the Gardai to be targeted and used a megaphone to fire up the brothers and sisters to foment chaos.

God almighty, time has come to stop this stuff that is largely overlooked because many are afraid to say anything due to the R word.

The fight back has to come, sadly. Imagine our Gardai being publicly targeted. Nope from me anyway. Would not be tolerated anywhere.

Cluedo Monopoly

bigpink wrote: »

Ok what term am I allowed use?
Black African Afro Irish people if colour?

Are you really big and pink?

eviltwin

bigpink wrote: »

Not at all but the community are getting a bad name over it

Only by a certain type who things 1 African = all Africans

Would it make you happy if we deport them all?

Cilldara_2000

Nobody's backing down to anyone. Wait and see. The Gardaí deciding that it might be best to not inflame things by baton charging a gang of teenagers roaming around Blanchardstown is not equal to "backing down".

I'm sure both sides will be very disappointed that when this whole thing blows over but the vast majority of people won't be.

bigpink

eviltwin wrote: »

Only by a certain type who things 1 African = all Africans

Would it make you happy if we deport them all?

No but a for a small community they seem to involved in a lot of crime

Cilldara_2000

bigpink wrote: »

No but a for a small community they seem to involved in a lot of crime

Source?

eviltwin

bigpink wrote: »

No but a for a small community they seem to involved in a lot of crime

So what’s your solution?

endacl

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Source?

Lagos!

:pac:

Sorry. I'll get me coat...

bigpink

eviltwin wrote: »

So what’s your solution?

That's a debate that's needed for sure but any mention it's racist
If a black person attacks me and I said black in the description I'm a racist as a country we are afraid to have the debate
We could or should tighten out border control to anyone from any country coming in

bigpink

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Source?

Read the media
Ask people if you know any living in areas with these problems

Cluedo Monopoly

bigpink wrote: »

No but a for a small community they seem to involved in a lot of crime

It so true.

What.Now

bigpink wrote: »

No but a for a small community they seem to involved in a lot of crime

This is an outrageous statement, so back it up please.

bigpink

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

It so true.

So African youths arent causing problems in Dublin?

Sleeper12

frag420 wrote:

What’s a “New Irish†?

People use this term to make them sound less racist (in their eyes anyway)

Cluedo Monopoly

bigpink wrote: »

So African youths arent causing problems in Dublin?

Do you want George to give you 36,000 Ugandan dollars or not!?
He can wire you the monies.

bigpink

Sleeper12 wrote: »

People use this term to make them sound less racist (in their eyes anyway)

Well if you say Black your racist
What term can we use here when debating?

bigpink

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Do you want George to give you 36,000 Ugandan dollars or not!?
He can wire you the monies.

Yeah send to to the Go Fund me for his victims thanks

Sleeper12

endacl wrote:

There was an incident. GSOC are investigating as mandated in all such incidents. They'll make their recommendations, and we'll all move on. Some folks will twit and bookface about it. Most people won't. Some people will jump up and down. Most people won't. Self-serving politicians, and self-serving and spurious 'academics' will have plenty to say about it, until they're on to the next item. Feel free to ignore them.

Protesters & posters should leave well enough alone until the several separate investigations are complete. We have a process & we should hold judgement until the end of the process.

I will say that from what little facts I can find on this it appears that the Gardai acted accordingly but I haven't seen all of the facts

Cilldara_2000

bigpink wrote: »

Read the media
Ask people if you know any living in areas with these problems

So no proof only anecdotes then?

Anecdotes are no sound basis for national policy.