Holly vandalism

amens

To all those who bought berry holly this Christmas this is what you're responsible for. Same as the ivory trade kills elephants and rhinos. Had several trees destroyed. They even went through the ditch and a drain of water to get to one.

Nekarsulm

amens wrote: »

To all those who bought berry holly this Christmas this is what you're responsible for. Same as the ivory trade kills elephants and rhinos. Had several trees destroyed. They even went through the ditch and a drain of water to get to one.

Tramps, you'd love to catch them at it....

Not sure who that message is supposed to reach here, surely the people who buy holly are people who don't have access to it. Meaning people not living out in rural areas mostly.

listermint

amens wrote: »

To all those who bought berry holly this Christmas this is what you're responsible for. Same as the ivory trade kills elephants and rhinos. Had several trees destroyed. They even went through the ditch and a drain of water to get to one.

Wait.


Your basically saying all Holly sales are from your trees and that is the same as killing an elephant or a Rhino


Right.... Few sherries this morning?

Markcheese

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Tramps, you'd love to catch them at it....

You might want back up though , I doubt it's a one man band ....
And I doubt the guards would too interested ...

On the plus side ,the tree will bounce back pretty quick ...

amens

listermint wrote: »

Wait.


Your basically saying all Holly sales are from your trees and that is the same as killing an elephant or a Rhine.


Right.... Few sherries this morning?

I don't drink. The sale of a product provides the incentive for holly trees whether they be mine or someone else's to be hacked to bits. I'm making no assertion on the relative value of the life of a tree and the life of an animal.

listermint

amens wrote: »

I don't drink. The sale of a product provides the incentive for holly trees whether they be mine or someone else's to be hacked to bits. I'm making no assertion on the relative value of the life of a tree and the life of an animal.

Have you considered...
.I don't know. It might be wild thought.


That the sale of Holly's can be from someone's actually own personal Holly tree stock.


I know it's totally bizarre and your opening post was designed to be hysterical. But not everything in life is stolen...

Tails142

Lol the premise of this thread is hilarious

Fair enough, someone hacked your tree up, probably saw it as a bit of free pruning for you.

But are you really trying to shame people who buy berry holly.. Lol

You would prefer they use plastic rather than something sustainable/enviro friendly? The tree will survive I think, the planet? Jury is still out.

amens

Tails142 wrote: »

Lol the premise of this thread is hilarious

Fair enough, someone hacked your tree up, probably saw it as a bit of free pruning for you.

But are you really trying to shame people who buy berry holly.. Lol

You would prefer they use plastic rather than something sustainable/enviro friendly? The tree will survive I think, the planet? Jury is still out.

I see you've never pruned a tree.

elperello

Tails142 wrote: »

Lol the premise of this thread is hilarious

Fair enough, someone hacked your tree up, probably saw it as a bit of free pruning for you.

But are you really trying to shame people who buy berry holly.. Lol

You would prefer they use plastic rather than something sustainable/enviro friendly? The tree will survive I think, the planet? Jury is still out.

There is nothing remotely hilarious about what was done to that tree.

Holly is a slow grower and needs to be treated with care.

The people who did that are thieves, plain and simple.

The take away message for anyone thinking of buying holly is don't unless you are 100% where it came from.

Nekarsulm

Markcheese wrote: »

You might want back up though , I doubt it's a one man band ....
And I doubt the guards would too interested ...

On the plus side ,the tree will bounce back pretty quick ...

I'd take their ladder, at the very least!

whelan2

Maybe they weren't selling it, they could need it to cure ringworm

SpacialNeeds

It's should be a protected species.

If everyone is just pilfering "one or two" sprigs of it it, will still be decimated yearly.

What happened the OP is shocking vandalism. Thoughtless and destructive.

greysides

I noticed almost no well-berried Holly trees this year, even ones that had been fruitful previously. That may be why this one was so devastatingly pruned.

gozunda

Tails142 wrote: »

Lol the premise of this thread is hilarious

Fair enough, someone hacked your tree up, probably saw it as a bit of free pruning for you.

But are you really trying to shame people who buy berry holly.. Lol

You would prefer they use plastic rather than something sustainable/enviro friendly? The tree will survive I think, the planet? Jury is still out.

Hardly hilarious. Holly theft is a well organised illegal activity at this time of the year. With whole trees being hacked down and dragged away to be chopped up and then sold out of the back of a van. Same lot who been doing it for years....

Holly is a relatively rare native tree species which is very slow growing and is an important food source for invertebrates and birds.

Last going we need is scrotes flogging it for cash. Important people know what they're buying...

coathanger

Seen Roma gang destroying the holly trees in the woods/ forests locally, collecting 3 & 4 one tonne bags full of holly & whatever fell out was just left behind ! The woods are decimated.

duffysfarm

The same people will be back next Christmas to do it again so keep an eye out if you remember or if you can

Daisy 55

whelan2 wrote: »

Maybe they weren't selling it, they could need it to cure ringworm

Really?

Daisy 55

Old cure? Never heard this one!.

whisky_galore

Same as elephants and rhinos? Hyperbole much?

Don't worry the tree will live, elephants and rhinos not so much.

whisky_galore

greysides wrote: »

I noticed almost no well-berried Holly trees this year, even ones that had been fruitful previously. That may be why this one was so devastatingly pruned.

Our holly had a ton of berries. Birds had a ball gorging themselves.

whelan2

An elderly neighbour had a stroke in October. The family said they'd care for her at home . From her bedroom she can see a holly tree. The birds started taking the berries off it in November. Her son wrapped netting around the tree to save the berries and took the netting off recently for Christmas.

SmartinMartin

We've a couple of hundred or so Holly trees. Not one berry this year, whereas last year the place was awash with them.

elperello

SmartinMartin wrote: »

We've a couple of hundred or so Holly trees. Not one berry this year, whereas last year the place was awash with them.

Funny how it goes. Good year for berries here.

malinheader

coathanger wrote: »

Seen Roma gang destroying the holly trees in the woods/ forests locally, collecting 3 & 4 one tonne bags full of holly & whatever fell out was just left behind ! The woods are decimated.

Yes, but it's ok for a certain few because it's there culture. Nothing going to be done about this.

Nekarsulm

SmartinMartin wrote: »

We've a couple of hundred or so Holly trees. Not one berry this year, whereas last year the place was awash with them.

Had loads of berries back in October, but nothing at all by the start of December.
One Bush opposite our gateway always has berries, and always loses a few sprigs to passing motorists but was completely bare this year.

NcdJd

The birds love them. Same here berries gone now.

Bees needed to fertilise the female holly tree flowers from the male tree flower's pollen. So if you have loads of holly trees and no berries could be they are all female trees with no male trees nearby, bees are scarce around your locality or the trees are still young.

whelan2

My dad reckons some years the berries are sour so birds dont go near the berries then ?

enricoh

coathanger wrote: »

Seen Roma gang destroying the holly trees in the woods/ forests locally, collecting 3 & 4 one tonne bags full of holly & whatever fell out was just left behind ! The woods are decimated.

They're worth big money in germany apparently, they're was eastern europeans sending container loads out a few years ago here.
They weren't too big into sustainability as they butted the trees!

1373

listermint wrote: »

Have you considered...
.I don't know. It might be wild thought.


That the sale of Holly's can be from someone's actually own personal Holly tree stock.


I know it's totally bizarre and your opening post was designed to be hysterical. But not everything in life is stolen...

The guys selling holly in our area are the same guys that steal your chainsaw and then your holly

NcdJd

Some interesting reading on the Brehon law relating to trees. The Holly is one of the noble seven. Cutting down a holly tree was regarded as a very serious offence.

https://www.forestryfocus.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Trees-in-Early-Ireland.pdf

Any commercial holly tree plantations in Ireland ? I've never heard of any myself.

yosemitesam1

greysides wrote: »

I noticed almost no well-berried Holly trees this year, even ones that had been fruitful previously. That may be why this one was so devastatingly pruned.

Late flowering apples and all the whitethorn got hammered by wind and cold around here. Holly probably did too only you wouldn't notice the how the flowering looked unless you paid close attention

Cattlepen

I wouldn’t mind people taking a few sprigs but I had a very old holly tree completely sawed down on me. And the worst was the losers only took a bit of it. Really annoying

Nekarsulm

October, two years ago. Last year was similar, this year nothing.
Would the drought in Spring affect them?

Aravo

Nekarsulm wrote: »

October, two years ago. Last year was similar, this year nothing.
Would the drought in Spring affect them?

A fine Holly tree. Same here this year, very few berries about the place.

greysides

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Late flowering apples and all the whitethorn got hammered by wind and cold around here. Holly probably did too only you wouldn't notice the how the flowering looked unless you paid close attention

Didn't notice haws at all this autumn. Certainly not like other years.

On a Christmas day walk, I saw a Holly with a few flowers on it, slightly up the hedge another with a few berries..

Good loser

In a town in Galway a fruit shop was charging €3.95 for a bunch.

sasta le

Travellers are robbing it I bet

Nekarsulm

greysides wrote: »

Didn't notice haws at all this autumn. Certainly not like other years.

On a Christmas day walk, I saw a Holly with a few flowers on it, slightly up the hedge another with a few berries..

We had a world of haws in September.
I quit cutting one particular hedge because there were so many of them.
Of course, then I got injured and couldn't drive, and now the ground is too wet to travel!

SmartinMartin

NcdJd wrote: »

Some interesting reading on the Brehon law relating to trees. The Holly is one of the noble seven. Cutting down a holly tree was regarded as a very serious offence.

https://www.forestryfocus.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Trees-in-Early-Ireland.pdf

Any commercial holly tree plantations in Ireland ? I've never heard of any myself.

That's fascinating. It would certainly explain a lot of the piseogs around the cutting down of oak, Holly, etc.

Dunfyy

Holly is a inversive weed they were doing you a favour
https://weedsbluemountains.org.au/weeds/english-holly/

gozunda

Dunfyy wrote: »

Holly is a inversive weed they were doing you a favour
https://weedsbluemountains.org.au/weeds/english-holly/

That's Aus in case you are somewhat confused...

Here it is a slow growing native tree - important for birds and other wildlife in the winter especially


https://irelandswildlife.com/holly-ilex-aquifolium/

Nekarsulm

Dunfyy wrote: »

Holly is a inversive weed they were doing you a favour
https://weedsbluemountains.org.au/weeds/english-holly/

Slowest growing weed I ever came across!
Turn your back for twenty years, and it'd have spread three feet, and be as thick as your arm......

PS, your link is from Australia ........

The Continental Op

In the UK had the police out one year when the Travellers came around hacking at our Holly trees to make money for Christmas.

Luckily the police turned up when they were trying to fell a 30 ft Holly tree (on private property) because it was too tall for them to climb up with their stolen ladders.

Police did nothing but it stopped the problem for a few years.

patsy_mccabe

They really hacked it alright, but it will grow back. They must have been young lads that did that. I don't think I could get up that high and not kill myself.

Pkiernan

coathanger wrote: »

Seen Roma gang destroying the holly trees in the woods/ forests locally, collecting 3 & 4 one tonne bags full of holly & whatever fell out was just left behind ! The woods are decimated.

Did you call the Guards?

chooseusername

Dunfyy wrote: »

Holly is a inversive weed they were doing you a favour
https://weedsbluemountains.org.au/weeds/english-holly/

gozunda wrote: »

That's the US in case you are somewhat confused...

Here it is a slow growing native tree - important for birds and other wildlife in the winter especially


https://irelandswildlife.com/holly-ilex-aquifolium/

.au is Aussie .

gozunda

chooseusername wrote: »

.au is Aussie .

Yeah I know meant to write AUS ... -

still not relevant to here - the gas thing is you have people that look something up online they wouldn't know a tree from a lamppost :rolleyes:


Think times we had some response units with at this issue similar to Christmas tree thefts

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40087259.html

TheFarrier

Lots of big holly trees around the house and farm here, was always sorry we never had berries but after seeing this I’m glad.

They’re a tree I’m always mindful of when cutting for firewood. They take so long to grow it’d be shame to set them back.

coathanger

Pkiernan wrote: »

Did you call the Guards?

No, no point , they find it difficult to come out for house burglaries ....

Centrepassage

Word on the street is major demand for holly this year to compensate for huge fall in demand for mistletoe due to the social distancing rules.