Another full lockdown looming? - mod warning in OP

mea_k

I work for non essential retail, and was due to go for mortgage in June /July it's now been pushed and pushed out again and again. With covid payments and then on the wage subsidy scheme and then back on covid payment. Im now physically feeling defeated.
With news saying all none essential retail can stay open I felt like celebrating because it ment I was step closer. But now with all the cases I'm driving myself mad. Will it go all backwards again?
I really hope I will be able to work.

Mod warning 26/12/20

Beasty wrote: »

No more mask talk in this thread

Use the dedicated thread

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_Kaiser_

mea_k wrote: »

I work for non essential retail, and was due to go for mortgage in June /July it's now been pushed and pushed out again and again. With covid payments and then on the wage subsidy scheme and then back on covid payment. Im now physically feeling defeated.
With news saying all none essential retail can stay open I felt like celebrating because it ment I was step closer. But now with all the cases I'm driving myself mad. Will it go all backwards again?
I really hope I will be able to work.

Well Tony has already called for "non-essential" retail to be closed, and the Government are to meet next week so I would say he'll probably get his way yet again.

Complete nonsense of course. You can go spend hours wandering around Dunnes or Tesco's food aisles if you like, but doom awaits if you venture into the clothing or homeware sections :rolleyes:

pconn062

Unfortunately you are going to have to assume that for the next 6-12 months they are going to roll from one pointless lockdown to another. It's a disgrace but it seems to be the only thing in the government and NPHET covid playbook. We are in a similar position, we had AIP last February which was pulled as soon as I was forced to close my business. Since then it's been a case of opening up and closing down. We have written off trying to apply for a mortgage in 2021 entirely and will put it off until 2022 as this cycle is going to continue, even after they vaccinate people IMO.

mea_k

Absolute madness if he gets his way. All I'm trying to do is put roof over our heads to call our own. This will kill economy completely if we close down the country again.. 2 of my friends lost their jobs completely due to covid with last lockdown. All families with kids. Its tragic to be honest.

kowloonkev

Not in Ireland, but is it just a case of not being able to trust people to wear a mask in shops? Is everybody wearing masks in shops? Are they being kicked out for not wearing one?

kowloonkev

kowloonkev wrote: »

Not in Ireland, but is it just a case of not being able to trust people to wear a mask in shops? Is everybody wearing masks in shops? Are they being kicked out for not wearing one?

Staff will say they won’t tell people to put one on but then will lament their workplace being closed.

Collie D

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Staff will say they won’t tell people to put one on but then will lament their workplace being closed.

Adults shouldn’t need to be told to wear a mask at this stage.

Collie D

Collie D wrote: »

Adults shouldn’t need to be told to wear a mask at this stage.

Yet they’ve proven time and time again that they should. From day one, staff should have been told not to serve anyone without one.

mike8634

mea_k wrote: »

Absolute madness if he gets his way. All I'm trying to do is put roof over our heads to call our own. This will kill economy completely if we close down the country again.. 2 of my friends lost their jobs completely due to covid with last lockdown. All families with kids. Its tragic to be honest.

This thread will be closed or merged soon

But yeah feel your pain, absolute disgrace whats happening now with the closures

I had to eat Christmas dinner outside yesterday under a canopy as my parents and sister have been completely brainwashed by the media, thinking we are going to kill each other

My wife is a nurse and her colleagues are having a good laugh about it this morning in work, its gone way too far now

NIMAN

To be honest, it's incredibly rare now to see an adult without a mask on in any store or shop. From my own experience, compliance is near total.

So it's some other actions that are spreading the virus, not lack of face coverings.

_Kaiser_

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Staff will say they won’t tell people to put one on but then will lament their workplace being closed.

Because it's unnecessary. Mask compliance in shops is not an issue from what I see every time I'm in one.

Of course, using the same empirical evidence, you can also see that they're largely ineffective regardless. They played no part at all in the reducing cases and spread in the summer months, and have done nothing to prevent the increasing number of cases in the autumn and winter months. The same effect is seen outside Ireland too. One might say they're only a placebo for those who need one.

Retailers being open or closed has zero to do with masks.

PowerToWait

mea_k wrote: »

Absolute madness if he gets his way.

Absolute hysteria from the string-up-Holohan crowd as usual.

cee_jay

NIMAN wrote: »

To be honest, it's incredibly rare now to see an adult without a mask on in any store or shop. From my own experience, compliance is near total.

So it's some other actions that are spreading the virus, not lack of face coverings.

You are very lucky then. In my local Lidl on Christmas eve, there were people (customers and staff) without masks and masks below noses/Chins.
The amount of people who wear masks below their nose is quite high in my experience, I don't know why they even both wearing one in the first place if they won't wear it properly.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Because it's unnecessary. Mask compliance in shops is not an issue from what I see every time I'm in one.

Of course, using the same empirical evidence, you can also see that they're largely ineffective regardless. They played no part at all in the reducing cases and spread in the summer months, and have done nothing to prevent the increasing number of cases in the autumn and winter months. The same effect is seen outside Ireland too. One might say they're only a placebo for those who need one.

Retailers being open or closed has zero to do with masks.

You forgot to bring up the lizard people and mind control.

PowerToWait

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Because it's unnecessary. Mask compliance in shops is not an issue from what I see every time I'm in one.

Are you seriously that self absorbed? That all that you see or choose to see is all that happens in the world?

kowloonkev

NIMAN wrote: »

To be honest, it's incredibly rare now to see an adult without a mask on in any store or shop. From my own experience, compliance is near total.

So it's some other actions that are spreading the virus, not lack of face coverings.

If that's the case then there is no need to close non-essential businesses, apart from pubs.

Schools and home gatherings are by far the bigger issue. Maybe small retailers need to come together with some kind of legal action.

mike8634

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Retailers being open or closed has zero to do with masks.

Very true

They just don't want people to leave the house

They might as well put loud speakers on the roofs of guarda cars pelting out stay inside, dont leave your house, in every town and village at this stage

drunkmonkey

Collie D wrote: »

Adults shouldn’t need to be told to wear a mask at this stage.

Your correct they should be told to get their Vitamin D levels checked instead to prevent 9 out of 10 deaths.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/vitamin-d-other-everyday-vitamins-could-counter-coronavirus-effects-report

_Kaiser_

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

You forgot to bring up the lizard people and mind control.

Your idiotic response and inability to actually respond to the points raised says more about your argument than mine to be honest.

Not an uncommon thing among those who spend more time bothering themselves about what others are doing I'll grant you.

Happydays2020

I must say that from what I have seen - in shops, on the Dart and on the LUAS, there is a very high compliance rate on masks. The odd person not wearing or on their chin but it is very much the exception not the rule.

The evidence in respect to the retail sector is that there have been very few outbreaks with retail staff. If there had been evidence, Tony and his mate George would be constantly telling us this.

pjohnson

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Your idiotic response and inability to actually respond to the points raised says more about your argument than mine to be honest.

Not an uncommon thing among those who spend more time bothering themselves about what others are doing I'll grant you.

Your "points" have been addressed and debunked for months already. Why do you think everyone should keep running in circles to amuse you?

Ficheall

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Complete nonsense of course. You can go spend hours wandering around Dunnes or Tesco's food aisles if you like, but doom awaits if you venture into the clothing or homeware sections :rolleyes:

They're probably using some crazy rationale like people needing to eat to survive.

Ficheall

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Of course, using the same empirical evidence, you can also see that they're largely ineffective regardless. They played no part at all in the reducing cases and spread in the summer months, and have done nothing to prevent the increasing number of cases in the autumn and winter months.

Presumably you can provide some research to back this up?

_Kaiser_

pjohnson wrote: »

Your "points" have been addressed and debunked for months already. Why do you think everyone should keep running in circles to amuse you?

More immaturity and childishness. See my post above.

A group of posters thanking each others posts and repeating the same narrative regardless of being presented with the facts (as I've done here) is not debunking anything.

But feel free to continue to say more about the strength (or lack thereof) of your argument than mine with your responses

wirelessdude01

Every Covid thread ends up the same, same idiots arguing.

siblers

pconn062 wrote: »

Unfortunately you are going to have to assume that for the next 6-12 months they are going to roll from one pointless lockdown to another. It's a disgrace but it seems to be the only thing in the government and NPHET covid playbook. We are in a similar position, we had AIP last February which was pulled as soon as I was forced to close my business. Since then it's been a case of opening up and closing down. We have written off trying to apply for a mortgage in 2021 entirely and will put it off until 2022 as this cycle is going to continue, even after they vaccinate people IMO.

I would have thought with the vaccine being rolled out, we'd be looking at level 1/2 lock downs in the second half of the year (if not a bit sooner) and we would no longer have level 3 to 5 lockdowns

pjohnson

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

More immaturity and childishness. See my post above.

A group of posters thanking each others posts and repeating the same narrative regardless of being presented with the facts (as I've done here) is not debunking anything.

But feel free to continue to say more about the strength (or lack thereof) of your argument than mine with your responses

Aye that about sums up the "anti-restrictions/open up/all hail Sweden" crowd. Its about ten of ye regurgitating the same copy-paste posts

_Kaiser_

Ficheall wrote: »

Presumably you can provide some research to back this up?

Simple facts..

Masks were not mandatory or in general use until the late summer during which the numbers of cases continued to fall with zero deaths on many days. This despite the country being almost (pubs aside) fully reopened since late May.

Masks were introduced around August as I recall and since then we've had much concern from the HSE about rising cases in those months with other restrictions on movements and interaction imposed alongside the mask requirements.

Source : HSE figures and statements.

Ficheall

siblers wrote: »

I would have thought with the vaccine being rolled out, we'd be looking at level 1/2 lock downs in the second half of the year (if not a bit sooner) and we would no longer have level 3 to 5 lockdowns

I'd expect one big 5 one in Jan and then hopefully they'll gradually peter out.

Darc19

pconn062 wrote: »

Unfortunately you are going to have to assume that for the next 6-12 months they are going to roll from one pointless lockdown to another. It's a disgrace but it seems to be the only thing in the government and NPHET covid playbook. We are in a similar position, we had AIP last February which was pulled as soon as I was forced to close my business. Since then it's been a case of opening up and closing down. We have written off trying to apply for a mortgage in 2021 entirely and will put it off until 2022 as this cycle is going to continue, even after they vaccinate people IMO.

More hysterical sh1te - you'd wonder if people engaged their brains sometimes, or maybe they take all their news from fakebook and the daily muck.

Majority of population will be vaccinated by end of April.

All vulnerable caregories will be vaccinated by end of February.


But one thing I notice is that those who are the most hysterical about covid seem also to be against getting the vaccine.

Go figure.

prunudo

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Every Covid thread ends up the same, same idiots arguing.

Op had some obvious concerns and questions but as usual the thread gets derailed and goes off topic and back to the same back and forth he siad/she said posts. Not sure if posters do it on purpose or if they just think they're being right all the time.

Pitch n Putt

Collie D wrote: »

Adults shouldn’t need to be told to wear a mask at this stage.

Yeah it’s long been seen what effect masks are having....

No effect what so ever and in reality are probably contributing to some of the cases.

They should be an optional item at this stage as their effectiveness with almost full compliance is nil.

We’re still heading into a second panic lockdown now despite 5 months of mandatory mask wearing.

If that’s not evidence enough of their effectiveness then there is not point talking to some people.

They are a useless placebo and only being used as a means to enter a shop without hassle from the fear filled public thanks to Dr Tony and his cohorts.

If people stepped back from all the media driven hysteria and actually looked and thought logically about what is Actually happening around them and not listening to what they’re been force fed daily this country would be heading on the right road.

_Kaiser_

pjohnson wrote: »

Aye that about sums up the "anti-restrictions/open up/all hail Sweden" crowd. Its about ten of ye regurgitating the same copy-paste posts

You're nothing if not consistent and predictable anyway.

We've gone from lizard people to hail Sweden. Neither of which I mentioned at all.

Keep it up. You're doing more to validate my argument than my own posts.

Blondini

The longer people keep referring to restrictions as "nonsense", the longer restrictions will go on for.

That repeated overuse of the word "Nonsense" gives these people away easily; maybe Santa should have brought them a thesaurus.

Choosehowevr.

Darc19 wrote: »

More hysterical sh1te - you'd wonder if people engaged their brains sometimes, or maybe they take all their news from fakebook and the daily muck.

Majority of population will be vaccinated by end of April.

All vulnerable caregories will be vaccinated by end of February.


But one thing I notice is that those who are the most hysterical about covid seem also to be against getting the vaccine.

Go figure.

70000 Jan/Feb

2.5 million march/April

Numbers don't add up

Ficheall

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Simple facts..

Masks were not mandatory or in general use until the late summer during which the numbers of cases continued to fall with zero deaths on many days. This despite the country being almost (pubs aside) fully reopened since late May.

Masks were introduced around August as I recall and since then we've had much concern from the HSE about rising cases in those months with other restrictions on movements and interaction imposed alongside the mask requirements.

Source : HSE figures and statements.

They weren't mandatory, but they were in general use. The number of cases fell due to the other restrictions, people being cautious etc. People weren't happy with the other restrictions (fair enough in some cases), and masks were supposed to mitigate the damage caused by the inevitable easing and ignoring of the other restrictions. They help, but they can't fix the problem on their own.



People get the flu vaccine in Sepetmber/October. Flu cases and deaths go up thereafter. It doesn't mean the flu vaccine contributes to the cases or deaths. Correlation doesn't imply causation.

siblers

Ficheall wrote: »

I'd expect one big 5 one in Jan and then hopefully they'll gradually peter out.

I think we will be between 3 and 5 between now and March and things should then start to ease

km991148

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Every Covid thread ends up the same, same idiots arguing.

You could drop the word COVID and that sentence still works!

Darc19

Choosehowevr. wrote: »

70000 Jan/Feb

2.5 million march/April

Numbers don't add up

I suggest you get the facts from reliable sources and not fakebook.

70,000 by end January. This first list are the most difficult and time consuming as every hospital and care home have to be visited.

The Feb roll out to able bodied people will see multiples of that number as it will be the people traveling to get vaccination rather than the vaccination teams traveling to them

It probably would take a day to set up and provide vaccination in a care home of 30 residents. That same team could easily vaccinate multiples of that number in a medical facility.

daheff

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Complete nonsense of course. You can go spend hours wandering around Dunnes or Tesco's food aisles if you like, but doom awaits if you venture into the clothing or homeware sections :rolleyes:

This is just a very disingenuous post on your part and others who spout this nonsense.

People need food...but don't need the non essentials. Hence why you can go into the food aisles. This is a necessary risk for people. The thinking is people will be rational and limit their time in food aisles. Health authorities know this won't always be the case though.


Browsing homewares is an unnecessary risk. So not allowed...again cos health authorities know there will always be some who will want to browse anyways.

Choosehowevr.

Darc19 wrote: »

I suggest you get the facts from reliable sources and not fakebook.

70,000 by end January. This first list are the most difficult and time consuming as every hospital and care home have to be visited.

The Feb roll out to able bodied people will see multiples of that number as it will be the people traveling to get vaccination rather than the vaccination teams traveling to them

It probably would take a day to set up and provide vaccination in a care home of 30 residents. That same team could easily vaccinate multiples of that number in a medical facility.

Those are your numbers not mine

Pitch n Putt

Darc19 wrote: »

I suggest you get the facts from reliable sources and not fakebook.

70,000 by end January. This first list are the most difficult and time consuming as every hospital and care home have to be visited.

The Feb roll out to able bodied people will see multiples of that number as it will be the people traveling to get vaccination rather than the vaccination teams traveling to them

It probably would take a day to set up and provide vaccination in a care home of 30 residents. That same team could easily vaccinate multiples of that number in a medical facility.

Major issues with all that is this is Ireland and the HSE and some rollout task force are being tasked with the roll out.

Efficiency and HSE don’t go together.

Guaranteed to be multiple problems along the way. Rest of Europe will be far ahead of us with multiples of our population.

Sad but true.

Mike Murdock

Whatever about Pubs & Restaurants, large, open shopping centres such as Liffey Valley, Pavillions etc should not be closed. Just enforce proper mask-wearing protocols and boot out anyone that refuses to wear one/won't wear one to begin with.

We need at least some retail to survive this year.

Happydays2020

daheff wrote: »

This is just a very disingenuous post on your part and others who spout this nonsense.

People need food...but don't need the non essentials. Hence why you can go into the food aisles. This is a necessary risk for people. The thinking is people will be rational and limit their time in food aisles. Health authorities know this won't always be the case though.


Browsing homewares is an unnecessary risk. So not allowed...again cos health authorities know there will always be some who will want to browse anyways.

People don’t need clothes? Or light bulbs? Or curtains? Or flooring?

Importantly, people need to work and the State cannot continue to hand out money where the public health risk is not providing sufficient evidence to close.

pconn062

Darc19 wrote: »

More hysterical sh1te - you'd wonder if people engaged their brains sometimes, or maybe they take all their news from fakebook and the daily muck.

Majority of population will be vaccinated by end of April.

All vulnerable caregories will be vaccinated by end of February.


But one thing I notice is that those who are the most hysterical about covid seem also to be against getting the vaccine.

Go figure.

Sorry, I don't engage with people who use an online hard man act that they wouldn't dare use in the real world. It's possible to debate civilly you know.

200motels

ReginaldSmythV wrote:

Yet they’ve proven time and time again that they should. From day one, staff should have been told not to serve anyone without one.

PowerToWait wrote:

Absolute hysteria from the string-up-Holohan crowd as usual.

Where are the case studies that masks actually work and what are the long term affects of wearing one for a considerable amount of time? No body can actually force anyone to wear a mask and the sooner people realise that the better.

Pitch n Putt

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Whatever about Pubs & Restaurants, large, open shopping centres such as Liffey Valley, Pavillions etc should not be closed. Just enforce proper mask-wearing protocols and boot out anyone that refuses to wear one/won't wear one to begin with.

We need at least some retail to survive this year.

You can make people wear two masks if you like but won’t make any difference.
Hasn’t made any difference in previous 5 months so ain’t going to be any difference from now on.

kenmc

cee_jay wrote: »

The amount of people who wear masks below their nose is quite high in my experience, I don't know why they even both wearing one in the first place if they won't wear it properly.

Simple. They're mouthbreathers.

Ray Donovan

If anybody thinks the Living With Covid levels are going to be abolished in 2021 they are kidding themselves.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/normality-will-not-return-for-six-months-says-taoiseach-1055717.html

sydthebeat

Ray Donovan wrote: »

If anybody thinks the Living With Covid levels are going to be abolished in 2021 they are kidding themselves.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/normality-will-not-return-for-six-months-says-taoiseach-1055717.html

??

That says the exact opposite of what you think it says

TheDriver

When it will be all over, I'm looking forward to some whistle blower type of statements from people at the NPHET meetings and the manner in which things were discussed. It does appear that Dr. Tony gets his way no matter what, especially the radical change on his return from leave.
Obsessed with level 5. That level of obsession needs a visit to a psychiatrist.