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Why do people struggle to lose body fat?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Omega28


    I try tell myself I won't die if I don't eat that chocolate bar nut it's no good, I keep going for it in a state of anxiety without thinking of the calories.

    I'd love to go cold turkey and stop eating the junk food all together but it's not just the junk food. Yesterday, I had 9 slices of bread and almost 3 litres of milk on top of everything else. I weighed myself today at 100kg so I did my strenght workout plus 1 hr incline walking on the treadmill (15% Gradient/5kmh) burning 1000 calories and the sweat was pouring heavily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Omega28 wrote: »
    I try tell myself I won't die if I don't eat that chocolate bar nut it's no good, I keep going for it in a state of anxiety without thinking of the calories.

    I'd love to go cold turkey and stop eating the junk food all together but it's not just the junk food. Yesterday, I had 9 slices of bread and almost 3 litres of milk on top of everything else. I weighed myself today at 100kg so I did my strenght workout plus 1 hr incline walking on the treadmill (15% Gradient/5kmh) burning 1000 calories and the sweat was pouring heavily.

    At some stage, you'll need to put up or shut up. No amount of forum posts will stop you from eating too much. Only you can do that. I know it's hard to do, but you really have only 2 choices: Be fat or be thin.

    Trust me the first time you can clip your toenails without popping a rib will be a great experience.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Omega28 wrote: »
    I try tell myself I won't die if I don't eat that chocolate bar nut it's no good, I keep going for it in a state of anxiety without thinking of the calories.

    I'd love to go cold turkey and stop eating the junk food all together but it's not just the junk food. Yesterday, I had 9 slices of bread and almost 3 litres of milk on top of everything else. I weighed myself today at 100kg so I did my strenght workout plus 1 hr incline walking on the treadmill (15% Gradient/5kmh) burning 1000 calories and the sweat was pouring heavily.

    Honestly, seems you should be looking for professional help with your eating habits (and I don't mean a nutritionist or dietitian... I mean the behavioural element). I don’t think your problem is a lack of knowledge.

    You seem like someone who could benefit from some kind of structured, professional assistance. Maybe counselling or similar would be a relief to you.

    Good luck.


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    Omega28 wrote: »
    ...... I weighed myself today at 100kg so I did my strenght workout............

    What sort of strength training do you do ?

    1000 calories burnt would look after the bread but there's 1800 calories in the 3 litres of milk unless it was skimmed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭Patsy167


    Augeo wrote: »
    What sort of strength training do you do ?

    1000 calories burnt would look after the bread but there's 1800 calories in the 3 litres of milk unless it was skimmed.

    As others have said, best to check with a professional to figure it out.

    Going down the road of trying to out-train a bad diet won't end well.

    Even Marcus Aurelius—a guy who literally ruled the world—said: “Don’t be ashamed of needing help. You have a duty to fulfill just like a soldier on the wall of battle. So what if you are injured and can’t climb up without another soldier’s help?”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭bladespin


    It really feels like we overcomplicate things to make us feel better about failing on them, it's very much a story of tracking your calories and exercising, with the emphasis on calories.
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    Patsy167 wrote: »
    ..............

    Going down the road of trying to out-train a bad diet won't end well. .............

    Indeed, I said the following in one of the first replies to the OP
    Augeo wrote: »
    To lose bodyfat you'd need to be eating under 3000 kcals/day.
    You're carrying at least 10kg of fat ....... I say that as someone who was 105kg a few years ago and thought I was big as I used to lift weights etc.

    ...........


    I was just curious as to what strength training the chap did. Like at 100kg if he was benching 170kg or something I'd say fair enough you might need a load of grub if you want to train like that. Accepting there's still a bit of excess going in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    bladespin wrote: »
    It really feels like we overcomplicate things to make us feel better about failing on them, it's very much a story of tracking your calories and exercising, with the emphasis on calories.

    Yep. But we're also guilty of overcomplicating advice here at times, which just makes it seem out of a poster's control, which doesn't help.

    Fundamentaly, in this instance, I do think the mental side of things is clouding the OP's judgement. That needs to be addressed first and foremost and then the quantities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    I'm about 3 cm shorter than the OP, I go to the gym 6 times per week and aim to get +10k steps a day just from walking, with additional cardio on top of that. In the final 3 weeks of my cut I was eating approx 1600 calories a day.

    OPs last day of eating had astronomically high calories. It's very simple, he is eating far, far too much food.

    I remember being overweight and binging like OP, and the thought of going to low cal scared me as I was always hungry. The reason you are hungry is the low quality diet you have, filled with high sugar foods from top to bottom. I could knock back 5000 calories of sugary food and still be hungry too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Omega28


    OP here, thanks again for the advice to everyone.

    I weighed 98kg today after my cardio session today. Regarding my strenght training, I do this 6 x times per week with the main compound lifts. My bench is pretty weak (100kgmax) so I primarily use dumbells for a lot of workouts. E.g I would use 40kgs dbells for 3 x 5 on flat bench DB press.

    I follow my strenght training up with cardio (incline walk or spin) I also do a bit of walking and always aim for 20k steps daily. I did my cardio and burned 900 cals and thought to myself while doing it "that's only a few slices ofbread and choclates worth of work". Although I exercise quite a lot, I stuggle to gain any muscle or strength, so all eating isn't helping me there either. In fact I'm no stronger at 100kg than I am 85/90kg.

    I eat so fast without even thinking. Like I know better than this. I don't know why I'm eating this and why I'm so hungry all the time. People here telling me it's because I'm not eating enough quality food yet I'm eating nuts, chicken, salmon, oats etc

    I've had a blood work done two weeks ago and everything was spot on.

    Hope that provides some more information regarding people's questions


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    A lot of people struggle to push themselves below a healthy weight or to lose weight dangerously fast. Many obsess over numbers and don't mind warning signs like losing hair and losing periods and losing the ability to poop properly and losing fertility as long as the numbers are on a downward trend. People also over-restrict which is counterproductive and results in weight gain in the long term (long term in this case being 12 months).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Omega28 wrote: »
    I try tell myself I won't die if I don't eat that chocolate bar nut it's no good, I keep going for it in a state of anxiety without thinking of the calories.

    I'd love to go cold turkey and stop eating the junk food all together but it's not just the junk food. Yesterday, I had 9 slices of bread and almost 3 litres of milk on top of everything else. I weighed myself today at 100kg so I did my strenght workout plus 1 hr incline walking on the treadmill (15% Gradient/5kmh) burning 1000 calories and the sweat was pouring heavily.

    Is it possible to savor the chocolate bar and eat it slowly? Not like super slowly, that's just disordered eating, but slowly enough that you really taste it and really enjoy it. After a few squares it stops giving you a dopamine hit and then you can stop when you notice it's not delicious anymore... UNLESS you have been heavily restricting sugar or some other ingredient in it, in which case you could probably eat 10 bars and not stop getting a dopamine hit. That's one of the many reasons that over-restriction causes long term weight gain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Omega28


    Is it possible to savor the chocolate bar and eat it slowly? Not like super slowly, that's just disordered eating, but slowly enough that you really taste it and really enjoy it. After a few squares it stops giving you a dopamine hit and then you can stop when you notice it's not delicious anymore... UNLESS you have been heavily restricting sugar or some other ingredient in it, in which case you could probably eat 10 bars and not stop getting a dopamine hit. That's one of the many reasons that over-restriction causes long term weight gain

    How exactly does long term restricting lead to weight gain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭dublin49


    I am a regular exerciser ,everyday,rarely eat takeaway.Can stay off sugary foods for weeks on end and drink very little alcohol,I am 62 and reckon I am 2 stone overweight.I can and do 50kms cycles regularly and walk at least an hour a day.My view is unless you are very lucky genetically it is almost impossible to avoid the paunch as you age unless you are willing to be feel hungry most of the time and be extremely disciplined re portions,goodies,takeaways etc,I did do it for a period some years ago but you have to live like a Shaolin monk to maintain weight.Unfortunately lifesytle as you get older that involves foreign holidays ,lunches ,nights out all make the task extremely difficult,My one word of advice to parents is never encourage your children to clear their plates.An awful habit to develop that is hard to throw off later in life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Omega28 wrote: »
    How exactly does long term restricting lead to weight gain?

    I'm not talking about small calorie deficits that might help you lose weight over a few years, or making healthy swaps with food that doesn't matter to you (e.g. swapping whole fat milk in your tea for skimmed milk or soy milk and not even noticing after a few days) but bigger calorie deficits or having food rules and forbidden foods.

    1. you crave what you over-restrict and the cravings overcorrect. I stop myself eating one slice of bread now and I end up eating 10 slices of bread later. It's amazing how specific the binges are, if you are on a low fat diet you'll be binging fat and if i'm on a low carb diet i'll be binging carbs and if we try and generally restrict we will binge on anything! It's not any personal flaw in you, it's your body's natural reaction to over-restriction

    2. When we over-restrict energy our metabolism adapts and slows down to make it harder for us to lose weight, then we go back to normal eating it overcorrects and we gain wait on a diet that would previously have allowed us to maintain weight or even lose a little bit at a time. There's a lot of evidence that dieting leads to weight gain: you take 200 people with the same BMIs and put half of them on a diet, one year later the ones who dieted have higher BMIs than the ones who didn't (controlling for people who became body builders and gained BMI through sheer muscle ;) )

    3. Losing weight and putting it on and losing it and putting it back on is a predictor of far worse health outcomes than just staying at a high weight, so slow and steady wins the race.

    There are people who manage to beat all the odds, and many of them then they say the majority whose health is hurt by dieting are being hurt because of their own human weakness, which is not true.

    Dieticians these days study this and study our relationship with food. I nearly think Dieticians and Nutritionists need to swap names since Nutritionists seem to always want to put you on a diet and Dieticians seem to want to improve your nutrition and relationship with food.

    I second the idea of getting a Dietician to help with the relationship with food and a counsellor to help deal with the stress, dieticians are quite short term and there are lots of low cost counselling options

    I am sure a lot of people will disagree with what I said but I think what most of us will agree on is this: any "diet" that you can't *happily* do for the rest of your life is not a good diet. Could you go your entire life eating a low-fat diet? a low carb one*? No, you'd go off your game, almost no one could do that. So it will probably be another yo-yo diet and not worth starting


    (*for a lot of Irish people, the normal diet means getting 90% of your energy from carbs... it's not a low-carb diet to reduce that :D)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    bladespin wrote: »
    Learn to enjoy it, if you feel hungry you're doing something towards your goal.

    Being hungry on purpose is disordered eating. No ifs ands or buts. It is bad for your health, whatever your weight is, and it doesn't even work. Online forums are not a good place to get advice and there's a lot of stealthy pro-anorexia content. Anorexia is not an effective weight-loss plan. I know a lot of us will do something we know is dangerous to help us reach our goals (look at all the people who die taking illegal diet pills that they know are dangerous!) but this is not even an effective way to reach your goals. If I'm going to risk hurting myself it should at least work (sorry for being facetious)

    Ok, also not a dietician, but I think Kelly from Fitness Blender's story is a great example of how eating less was a less effective weight-loss diet than eating more. This applies whether your goal is to eventually lose 0.3 stone or 30 stone
    https://www.fitnessblender.com/blog/my-before-and-after-story-how-i-lost-40-lbs-and-beat-my-eating-disorder-


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Being hungry on purpose is disordered eating. No ifs ands or buts. It is bad for your health, whatever your weight is, and it doesn't even work. Online forums are not a good place to get advice and there's a lot of stealthy pro-anorexia content. Anorexia is not an effective weight-loss plan. I know a lot of us will do something we know is dangerous to help us reach our goals (look at all the people who die taking illegal diet pills that they know are dangerous!) but this is not even an effective way to reach your goals.


    This is a load of absolute rubbish.

    We know the science behind weight loss. You eat fewer calories than you burn in a day. It's as simple as that. If you happen to feel hungry while eating in a slight deficit that is not 'disordered eating'. Nor is it remotely comparable to anorexia, and I dont have the slightest clue what random 'illegal diet pills'have to do with anything, or the supposed deaths from them.

    If the OP wants to lose fat, he will have to eat at a deficit. Simple. Eating at a deficit may make him hungry. Eating at a deficit does not make him anorexic. Jesus Christ. He was in a surplus to get to this point, now he needs to be in a defecit to get to where he wants to be.

    Whatever nonsense you are peddling would be best kept for a forum that isnt fitness related, because you are coming out with ridiculous tripe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    This is a load of absolute rubbish.

    We know the science behind weight loss. You eat fewer calories than you burn in a day. It's as simple as that. If you happen to feel hungry while eating in a slight deficit that is not 'disordered eating'. Nor is it remotely comparable to anorexia, and I dont have the slightest clue what random 'illegal diet pills'have to do with anything, or the supposed deaths from them.

    If the OP wants to lose fat, he will have to eat at a deficit. Simple. Eating at a deficit may make him hungry. Eating at a deficit does not make him anorexic. Jesus Christ. He was in a surplus to get to this point, now he needs to be in a defecit to get to where he wants to be.

    Whatever nonsense you are peddling would be best kept for a forum that isnt fitness related, because you are coming out with ridiculous tripe.

    Everything i said is evidenced based and in line with the consensus among eating disorder specialists and dieticians at the moment. I'm sorry if it offends you, maybe in the future new studies will show that I am wrong, but at the moment this is where we are, this is what the evidence shows.


    The weight loss pill thing was an aside but since it peaked your interest check out this article in the Independent: https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/healthy-eating/the-5-worst-dieting-fads-to-avoid-dietitian-orla-walsh-on-the-diets-that-dont-work-and-the-strategies-that-do-37702240.html

    Wishing you all the best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Everything i said is evidenced based and in line with the consensus among eating disorder specialists and dieticians at the moment. I'm sorry if it offends you, maybe in the future new studies will show that I am wrong, but at the moment this is where we are, this is what the evidence shows.

    Wishing you all the best.

    Nope.

    The evidence shows that to lose weight you must eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day.

    That is it. No ifs buts or maybes. The evidence shows nothing but that scientific fact.

    Anything else is absolute waffle and pseudo babble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    Nope.

    The evidence shows that to lose weight you must eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day.

    That is it. No ifs buts or maybes. The evidence shows nothing but that scientific fact.

    Anything else is absolute waffle and pseudo babble.

    Dieting is a major predictor of weight gain, this is consensus this is not some kind of groundbreaking fringe thing I am saying, it's just the diet industry obviously doesn't talk about it a lot. Here's one of many things you can read, it's a meta-study so it's a good place to start, but if you google this you'll find lots more. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3759019/ (restrained eating does not imply going hungry). I'd google in incognito mode or skip right to google scholar because if you are big into fitness it's likely standard google will show you stuff that supports your world view rather than showing you both.

    I hope that helps! :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    The weight loss pill thing was an aside but since it peaked your interest check out this article in the Independent: https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/healthy-eating/the-5-worst-dieting-fads-to-avoid-dietitian-orla-walsh-on-the-diets-that-dont-work-and-the-strategies-that-do-37702240.html

    Wishing you all the best.

    That article is basically dieting tips for people who dont know the slightest thing about food. Nobody is advocating starvation diets. People are advocating a slight deficit based on his tdee. Nobody is pushing any teas or any other nonsense on him.

    You can have protein with every meal and dramatically under consume your requirement for the day. She advocates for eating carbs based on your size? Yeah because that is measurable to the ordinary Joe. She talks about fruit and veg with every meal with people shouldn't be consuming mass quantities of fruit which is high in sugar.

    And she makes a well known point about fat not being the devil. Yes we know, low fat being a diet fad is over a decade old.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Dieting is a major predictor of weight gain, this is consensus this is not some kind of groundbreaking fringe thing I am saying, it's just the diet industry obviously doesn't talk about it a lot. Here's one of many things you can read, it's a meta-study so it's a good place to start, but if you google this you'll find lots more. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3759019/ I'd google in incognito mode or skip right to google scholar because if you are big into fitness it's likely standard google will show you stuff that supports your world view rather than showing you both.

    I hope that helps! :)

    I genuinely dont know what you're talking about.

    Eating at a caloric deficit cannot lead to weight gain.

    What leads to weight gain can be a failure to adapt to a new maintenance level after a period of eating in a deficit. Or returning to older eating habits after eating in a deficit.

    That is why we promote sustainable weight loss by starting in a small deficit and increasing over time. By eating filling foods, such as oats, sweet potatoes etc.

    If by the diet industry you mean the likes of Motivation, where they give verage Joe's loads of shakes, then sure I'll agree that long term that does not give people the tools to maintain a healthy weight, and it is about getting to a certain number for publicity.

    However the following is indisputable.

    Eating in a deficit will cause you to lose weight. You must eat in a deficit if you want to lose weight. Eating in a defecit does not mean eating nothing. Eating in a deficit does not lead to weight gain. What happens after may lead to weight gain, the same as how eating in a surplus leads to weight gain.

    Nobody on this forum is advocating the OP eat 500 calories a day of juice. People are advocating he finds out his true TDEE and eats at a deficit if he wants to lose weight because his diet at the moment is gluttony and overeating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    Nothing you are saying coincides with the research but since I've pointed you in the direction of the research I don't know what more I can do? Did you read the meta-study? 80% of the people who went on diets had gained weight 12 months later, and that was just one meta study 7 years ago, there's been more and more research done since then and this is consensus now. Our body is ready and able to compensate for caloric deficits by slowing our metabolism and by giving us overwhelming cravings. They are designed by our brains to be overwhelming, the fact that 20% of people beat the odds doesn't mean that diets are evidence based in any way.

    If you really feel strongly that it is incorrect maybe it might inspire you to go into the field of dietetics and do your own research eventually, the world needs more scientists :)

    It's interesting you felt 500 calories a day was disordered eating and you didn't give 1200 calories a day as an example of over-restricting, which it would be unless OP is very short. You went all the way to 500? even though a 4 year old toddler needs 1200 calories a day. Also, i don't want to introduce another tangent, but callorie counting is not actually calorie counting, we can't get reliable information on calories because energy released in a lab does not mean that our body can use that food as energy. Here's an article about it: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie this caused people to say ridiculous things like "don't eat nuts" the calorie count in nuts includes fibre, which the human body doesn't actually digest. It might be very high calorie if you were a cow, because you'd get the full count, but as a human you only get about 60% and meanwhile you feel very full

    I'm not sure that you are interested in reading about this stuff so I think I might take your advice and feck off out of your forum and back to my own one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Nothing you are saying coincides with the research but since I've pointed you in the direction of the research I don't know what more I can do? Did you read the meta-study? 80% of the people who went on diets had gained weight 12 months later, and that was just one meta study 7 years ago, there's been more and more research done since then and this is consensus now. If you really feel strongly that it is incorrect maybe it might inspire you to go into the field of dietetics and do your own research eventually, the world needs more scientists :)

    The study is literally garbage.

    What is a diet in your eyes? What is a diet in their eyes? There is crazy variation there between what people were eating. Were their meals tracked? Their exercise? Their tdee? How much of a deficit they were in? Of course not. Absolute nonsense 'study'.

    You must eat at a deficit to lose weight. It's as simple as that. It is indisputable science. Stop trying to be patronising when you havent a clue. Stop peddling pseudoscience and misinformation on a fitness forum. The only person that needs to do more research is you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_



    It's interesting you felt 500 calories a day was disordered eating and you didn't give 1200 calories a day as an example of over-restricting, which it would be unless OP is very short. You went all the way to 500? even though a 4 year old toddler needs 1200 calories a day. Also, i don't want to introduce another tangent, but callorie counting is not actually calorie counting, we can't get reliable information on calories because energy released in a lab does not mean that our body can use that food as energy. Here's an article about it: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie this caused people to say ridiculous things like "don't eat nuts"

    What on earth are you talking about? I used an example of 500 calories because of the absurdity of it. In all of my posts I have advocated for finding out a TDEE and eating at a controlled deficit.

    And as for the rubbish about calories, I dont know have I ever come across somebody so confident yet so absolutely clueless on a topic. You havent the slightest iota of knowledge about diet and nutrition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭SuperRabbit


    I'm sorry you were unhappy with the peer reviewed meta-analysis that I posted, if you want more details you can click the studies in the links that they provided at the end. There have also been many studies since confirming this. You seem to have your mind made up though. Any way I'm really happy you found something that worked for you! You can see that that's not a very common thing! :) All the best!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I think there is a difference between what is referred to as 'dieting' and modifying either quality, quantity or both.

    A lot of diets are inherently unsustainable. They are to lose weight as opposed to improve eating habits.

    That doesn't mean you can't restrict calories and be successful in the long term.

    I don't necessarily agree that you have to be feel hungry. You can bulk up meals with low calorie ingredients (veg etc) and address that. There might be a psychological component knowing that you're eating less and you feel hungry because of that in the same vein as people think they haven't eaten enough because it looks like less food on a bigger plate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,588 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    1. you crave what you over-restrict and the cravings overcorrect. I stop myself eating one slice of bread now and I end up eating 10 slices of bread later. It's amazing how specific the binges are, if you are on a low fat diet you'll be binging fat and if i'm on a low carb diet i'll be binging carbs and if we try and generally restrict we will binge on anything! It's not any personal flaw in you, it's your body's natural reaction to over-restriction
    That shouldn’t be happening with a normal healthy deficit. If that’s happens for you, it could be a deficiency or perhaps mental issue.
    When we over-restrict energy our metabolism adapts and slows down to make it harder for us to lose weight, then we go back to normal eating it overcorrects and we gain wait on a diet that would previously have allowed us to maintain weight or even lose a little bit at a time.
    This is massively overstated. It happens in response to ENERGY restriction, not food restriction. Basically not going to happen for anybody with a lot of weight to lose.
    There's a lot of evidence that dieting leads to weight gain: you take 200 people with the same BMIs and put half of them on a diet, one year later the ones who dieted have higher BMIs than the ones who didn't
    Dieting is hard. People fail. They often give up at this point and start to eat extra.
    Maintaining is easier, so that state is sustained for longer. But you’ll never get smaller. Many creep up slowly.

    That’s a list of people not losing weight.
    Kinda ignores the people who succeed. Energy deficit is the only way to do that.
    I am sure a lot of people will disagree with what I said but I think what most of us will agree on is this: any "diet" that you can't *happily* do for the rest of your life is not a good diet.

    The opposite is also true. Just because you can happily follow a particular diet for life doesn’t make it a good diet either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Being hungry on purpose is disordered eating. No ifs ands or buts. It is bad for your health, whatever your weight is, and it doesn't even work. O

    We are designed to eat when we're hungry, we're supposed to feel hungry, it's your one of your body's signals, if you don't know what that feels like then you're not eating properly, more than likely overeating - it's not an eating disorder or anything like it.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Cill94


    I'm sorry you were unhappy with the peer reviewed meta-analysis that I posted, if you want more details you can click the studies in the links that they provided at the end. There have also been many studies since confirming this. You seem to have your mind made up though. Any way I'm really happy you found something that worked for you! You can see that that's not a very common thing! :) All the best!

    You know how to use Pub-Med, congratulations. You don't seem to know the difference between a review and a meta though, this study being the former.

    All this study shows is that people who follow over-restrictive diets are likely to fail and regain their weight and then some. Most people on here are already aware of that fact.

    There's a difference between the above and following a sustainable calorie deficit, which may or may not include feelings of hunger.


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