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EV home charger

  • 10-12-2020 1:17am
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    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    What is best and cheapest EV charger to get without a grant. My boss has ordered me a new ID3 which I will collect first week of January.

    I need an outside fast charger at my garage beside my house. As it is a company car, I believe I can't qualify for a grant. I would like to charge at 15+ miles per hour. I want a charger that has latest technology and will still be working/valid in 10 years time.

    Has anyone got experience or what do you recommend? Would €500 get much?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    I’m currently doing this for my dad.

    The QUBEV from EVONESTOP appears to be the best value for a plug and charge unit. No fancy apps or any of that silly stuff.

    Nothing much popping up here second hand in recent times.

    QUBEV - EV CHARGING UNIT | TYPE 2 SOCKET | 32 AMP/7.2 KW | IP65 | (17th Edition) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07WW6ZWVN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_UwD0Fb6NBSR9J


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Well in terms of technology, the standard plug is a Type 2 which the ID.3 already has and that's unlikely to change anytime soon

    The highest charging power you'll be able to support is probably 7kW, so go for that if you can. You'll be doing most of your charging overnight so speed doesn't matter as long you have a full battery in the morning

    Depending on your company, they might pay for the cost of the charger, it's worth asking the question if you can.


  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    How many km per hour will a 7w 32A give me. I like to go for a long spin over the weekend. Will it give me 20km charge per hour.

    Is there a formula to work out how much it will charge per hour?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭ graememk


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    How many km per hour will a 7w 32A give me. I like to go for a long spin over the weekend. Will it give me 20km charge per hour.

    Is there a formula to work out how much it will charge per hour?


    Depends on how heavy your foot is!

    We're currently averaging 17kwh/100km on our e niro.. --> 0.17kwh/km

    So you'll get 7kwh in an hour -> 7 / 0.17, so roughly 40 km/hr

    Realistically you should get the day night meter, and be charging at night anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    40km per hour sounds great. Could be home late and then an early start for 300km trip. Won't let it go below 20% so should be ok.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    At 7kW it'll take around 8.5 hours to charge the battery from 0 to 100%

    So of you arrive home at 9pm and plug in the car you'll still be ready to go at 6am of needed

    As you say the car in unlikely to go below 20% so you should be fine with a 7kW charger

    You should definitely switch over to a day/night meter if you don't already have one, it really makes an EV very economical to run.

    For example, I used to drive around 12,000km per year in my Leaf (pre lockdown) and charge only at the night rate. The lost of electricity for the Leaf was less than €200 for the whole year

    Also, will you be traveling long distances for business with the car? If so, it might be worth seeing if your employer will allow you to expense any public charging you require.

    If they're paying for fuel for the other company cars then there's precedent there for you to ask, especially since you'll be saving them a lot of money


  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    Can anyone recommend an ev charger for my house. Brand and installation company. I'm not eligible for grant.


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    Summer8181 wrote: »
    40km per hour sounds great. Could be home late and then an early start for 300km trip. Won't let it go below 20% so should be ok.

    Have you seen the id3 thread here ?
    Some not getting near 300km on a full charge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Can anyone recommend an ev charger for my house. Brand and installation company. I'm not eligible for grant.


    That QUBEV one Gumbo spotted seems like a good bet and is probably the cheapest


    Other basic chargers:


    EO Mini
    Wallbox
    Rolec


    In theory any electrician can install them, so feel free to shop around. Be sure to mention you aren't eligible for the grant, there's a bit of history of the installation costs suddenly going up by €600 when the grant came out :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Have you seen the id3 thread here ?
    Some not getting near 300km on a full charge.


    To be fair it's the middle of winter and a lot of that can be solved by preheating while plugged in


    There is a software bug with the ID.3 which means the battery heater doesn't switch on while the car is plugged in. They should hopefully resolve that soon which will fix a lot of the initial high consumption people are seeing


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Can anyone recommend an ev charger for my house. Brand and installation company. I'm not eligible for grant.

    What do you want?

    Simple plug and charge?
    All singing all dancing WiFi and fancy app control?

    You won’t get cheaper new than the QUBEV above. Trust me, I’ve searched.
    Any sparks can then install.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,876 ✭✭✭ zg3409


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    What is best and cheapest EV charger to get without a grant. My boss has ordered me a new ID3 which I will collect first week of January.

    I need an outside fast charger at my garage beside my house. As it is a company car, I believe I can't qualify for a grant. I would like to charge at 15+ miles per hour. I want a charger that has latest technology and will still be working/valid in 10 years time.

    Has anyone got experience or what do you recommend? Would €500 get much?

    You will be really struggling for 500 all in.
    Practically any/all will give you 7kW and that's maximum house and car can take anyway.

    7kW gives you 7kW per hour or 70kWh over 10 hours. Depending on your daily usage 3 or 4 hours should refill car overnight.

    Things you might pay extra for:
    -A tethered cable, saves you getting cable out of boot and putting wet cable back in boot for public charging

    -Load sensing, needed if you have an instant shower like a triton or a heat pump.

    There is also chargers with phone apps, so you can stop/start charger remotely or see energy used history

    There are chargers that work best with solar panels others don't work great

    Cheapest is installing a secondhand charger, but it might not last 10 years.

    You need to shop around and haggle with local electrician. You are asking for specific supplier name but best deal would be local to where you live. Non EV specialists are generally cheaper but you run the risk they won't know what they are doing and miss out on setting it up correctly or not be able to support or stand by issues. Many electricians will refuse to install second hand parts and won't stand over any parts you bought yourself online. Typical average cost is 1000 these days, often more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    I would like to set time when it comes on. I don't need all singing and dancing but good ip and be able to upgrade software if required. Wifi probably be good feature.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    I would like to set time when it comes on. I don't need all singing and dancing but good ip and be able to upgrade software if required. Wifi probably be good feature.


    The car can do that for you, don't need to set a timer on the charger


    Having said that, I decided to get a Zappi because among the other features it's able to set charging timers


    That's a bit of a price jump and probably more than what you're looking for though


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    I would like to set time when it comes on. I don't need all singing and dancing but good ip and be able to upgrade software if required. Wifi probably be good feature.

    Based on that then you need an all signing all dancing unit.
    You won’t have any change from €1000 plus then after you install.
    These are not in the same bracket as cheapest option per your first post.


    Are you aware you can time your charge etc from the car?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭ yannakis


    The car can do that for you, don't need to set a timer on the charger


    Having said that, I decided to get a Zappi because among the other features it's able to set charging timers


    That's a bit of a price jump and probably more than what you're looking for though

    How far are you from the consumer unit? Mind me asking how much you paid for the zappi + installation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    yannakis wrote: »
    How far are you from the consumer unit? Mind me asking how much you paid for the zappi + installation?

    So I've got an EO Mini at the moment, I'm swapping it for a Zappi in January when I get my ID.4

    My consumer unit is in the middle of the house, it's around 15m cable run to the charger. Luckily there was an air duct nearby that allowed the cable to be brought the the outside. Then it runs through steel conduit along the side of the house to the charger.

    I'd say the installation cost was around €700 as I recall. This was just when the grant came out so prices hadn't shot up just yet. The guy who did the job was the electrician who wired the house and they were still building houses nearby, so I think I got a slight discount for that


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    So I've got an EO Mini at the moment, I'm swapping it for a Zappi in January when I get my ID.4

    My consumer unit is in the middle of the house, it's around 15m cable run to the charger. Luckily there was an air duct nearby that allowed the cable to be brought the the outside. Then it runs through steel conduit along the side of the house to the charger.

    I'd say the installation cost was around €700 as I recall. This was just when the grant came out so prices hadn't shot up just yet. The guy who did the job was the electrician who wired the house and they were still building houses nearby, so I think I got a slight discount for that

    Are you gona sell the EO mini?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Are you gona sell the EO mini?

    I'm gonna sell it with my Leaf to try and get a quick sale, but if no one wants it then I'll sell it separately


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,993 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    I sold my Podpoint charge point few weeks back no hassle, and it qualifies for the grant too


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  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    Can I set the time charging from the car for VW app? If so what are the other benefits from getting a charger with app notifications.


    Maybe I'm better going for a simple charger (maybe one that charges above average speed)

    How long should I expect these chargers to last?

    Does ID4 come with a charging lead?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Can I set the time charging from the car for VW app? If so what are the other benefits from getting a charger with app notifications.


    Maybe I'm better going for a simple charger (maybe one that charges above average speed)

    How long should I expect these chargers to last?

    Does ID4 come with a charging lead?

    Home chargers don’t charge above 7kw unless you have a 3phase connection which is extremely rare.

    All you need is a 32a/7.2kw chargepoint and the associated wiring. Usually 6mm Sq and a 40a RCBO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,177 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Can I set the time charging from the car for VW app?

    Not yet. Coming in the next update for the ID series of cars in Q1 2021.

    Summer8181 wrote: »
    If so what are the other benefits from getting a charger with app notifications.

    A charge point with app support is useful for remote monitoring and start/stop. Not required for everyday use.

    And there's the geek factor... looking at the stats etc.

    If apps turn you off then just stick with a basic charge point and utilise the cars timers alone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    Sorry for all the questions.

    If I park my car in the drive at 8pm and plug in my charger. Can i set my timer in car to start charging at 12 am for example.


    Would electrician have to be registered and provide cert to fit charger


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,993 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Sorry for all the questions.

    If I park my car in the drive at 8pm and plug in my charger. Can i set my timer in car to start charging at 12 am for example.


    Would electrician have to be registered and provide cert to fit charger

    Yes

    Yes if you want to conform to €600 Grant rules


  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭ Summer8181


    slave1 wrote: »
    Yes

    Yes if you want to conform to €600 Grant rules

    Not eligible for grant. Might get cheap one. Might do as a second charger in later years if we have 2 cars


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,245 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Sorry for all the questions.

    If I park my car in the drive at 8pm and plug in my charger. Can i set my timer in car to start charging at 12 am for example.


    Would electrician have to be registered and provide cert to fit charger

    No problem with all the questions. Keep asking.
    It’s a daunting process transition from ICE to EV and sometimes our replies might sound smart as we can forget that we may be dealing with new comers etc

    So if your ever in doubt about an answer ask us to clarify. You won’t regret it :)

    Answers

    1. Yes. You can set the charge start time, charging speed (16a/32a) or a departure time and the car will work out when it needs to start charging itself.

    2. Any electrician can install. In fact you can run the wiring,connect the charger to the wall and just let the sparks do the physical connections. Will need to be a registered sparks if getting grant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Sorry for all the questions.

    If I park my car in the drive at 8pm and plug in my charger. Can i set my timer in car to start charging at 12 am for example.


    Would electrician have to be registered and provide cert to fit charger

    With the ID.3 I believe that feature is coming in January, might be worth popping over to the ID.3 forum to double check

    So in my experience electricians come in 2 types, certified cowboys, and just plain cowboys.

    I would recommend getting a certified cowboy since at least in theory someone has gone and made sure they know the basics of what they're doing and if they screw it up you can take them to court afterwards


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,792 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Summer8181 wrote: »
    Can I set the time charging from the car for VW app? If so what are the other benefits from getting a charger with app notifications.


    Maybe I'm better going for a simple charger (maybe one that charges above average speed)

    How long should I expect these chargers to last?

    Does ID4 come with a charging lead?

    Yeah simple charger might be enough for your needs, particularly since you're ineligible for the grant

    Both ID.3 and ID.4 come with both a 3 pin charger for charging from a regular socket, and a Type 2 charging cable

    Be warned, the ID.3 only comes with a 16A charging cable. It can charge at full speed (11kW) on most public AC chargers, but if you plug it into a 7kW charger it'll only charge at 3.6kW

    For this reason, I'd recommend getting a 7kW tethered charger for home. This has a cable built in and will allow you to charge at the full 7kW


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,177 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    Be warned, the ID.3 only comes with a 16A charging cable. It can charge at full speed (11kW) on most public AC chargers, but if you plug it into a 7kW charger it'll only charge at 3.6kW

    FYI I think that’s just the 1st edition. The spec of the series production cars has a 32A cable in there.


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