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Interesting interview with Dr Mike Yeadon

  • 03-12-2020 11:45am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭✭ mouldybiscuits


    This is an interesting interview with Dr Mike Yeadon who is an outspoken critic of many government's approach to covid. It's truly puzzling to me why opinions like his and the scientific data he quotes is completely ignored by mainstream media. Why can't we have discussion anymore, it seems like the government's narrative can't be criticized without someone calling you an anti-vaxxer or a conspiracy theorist. Whatever happened to honest debate? Our liberal societies are becoming more similar to a communist regime with every passing year.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭ Caraibh


    This is an interesting interview with Dr Mike Yeadon who is an outspoken critic of many government's approach to covid. It's truly puzzling to me why opinions like his and the scientific data he quotes is completely ignored by mainstream media. Why can't we have discussion anymore, it seems like the government's narrative can't be criticized without someone calling you an anti-vaxxer or a conspiracy theorist. Whatever happened to honest debate? Our liberal societies are becoming more similar to a communist regime with every passing year.


    Unless you have the "right" opinion then you're either a quack or a conspiracy theorist. Welcome to the new Brave New World.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭ hmmm


    The use of the phrase "Mainstream media" reminds me of something I heard years ago - if alternative medicine worked, it'd just be called "Medicine".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭✭ mouldybiscuits


    hmmm wrote: »
    The use of the phrase "Mainstream media" reminds me of something I heard years ago - if alternative medicine worked, it'd just be called "Medicine".

    The bias shown in mainstream media has separated them into a different entity. Propaganda would actually be a more accurate term than media for some of these news organisations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,725 ✭✭✭✭ Mrs OBumble


    hmmm wrote: »
    The use of the phrase "Mainstream media" reminds me of something I heard years ago - if alternative medicine worked, it'd just be called "Medicine".

    The difference being that doctors are registered professionals, journalists ain't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭ raind


    Change the thread title - he is not an immunologist.

    https://investors.biontech.de/static-files/53f0968a-279b-4f82-a2fc-d67dcb6e4e91


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭ Ficheall


    To save anyone's 11 minutes, he basically says it makes more sense for vulnerable people to get it and not enforce a mass rollout because we don't know enough about the risk/benefit.


    Which is what's effectively going to happen anyway - the vulnerable will get it, and by the time the rest of us are offered it in X months, we'll know better where we stand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭ Stihl waters


    Someone has to call the shots, if we listened to every arsehole with an opinion we wouldn't know if we were coming or going


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭ Caraibh


    Someone has to call the shots, if we listened to every arsehole with an opinion we wouldn't know if we were coming or going

    But the point is that they're (the governments of the world) ignoring those scientists and doctors who disagree with WHO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,086 ✭✭✭✭ Harry Palmr


    When GO'D has decided to cite you as evidence it's not your fault of course but it's not helpful either!

    Dead link btw so don't bother clicking it.

    https://gemmaodoherty.com/investigations/dr-mike-yeadon-understanding-the-covid-hoax/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ElJeffe


    Do tin foil hats have to be stored at -72c as well as the vaccine?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭ Caraibh


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Do tin foil hats have to be stored at -72c as well as the vaccine?

    The tin foil hatters who dare to question the severity of the one and two case a day raging Irish pandemic of the summer of 2020?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭ xhomelezz


    Caraibh wrote: »
    The tin foil hatters who dare to question the severity of the one and two case a day raging Irish pandemic of the summer of 2020?

    It's December mate, summer 2020 is gone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭ Stihl waters


    Caraibh wrote: »
    But the point is that they're (the governments of the world) ignoring those scientists and doctors who disagree with WHO.

    My point exactly, they've seen all the evidence and made the call in the best interests of the people, I'd imagine government appointed scientists aren't in their position because they slept their way to the top, these people are in place to advise, where does it stop if we have to listen to anyone with a degree in science who thinks they're right and everyone else wrong


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭ Caraibh


    My point exactly, they've seen all the evidence and made the call in the best interests of the people, I'd imagine government appointed scientists aren't in their position because they slept their way to the top, these people are in place to advise, where does it stop if we have to listen to anyone with a degree in science who thinks they're right and everyone else wrong

    But why then was there an article in the BMJ recently about the politicisation, corruption and suppression of science? Many scientists have been censored, dismissed or ignored since March.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,897 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles


    It's truly puzzling to me why opinions like his and the scientific data he quotes is completely ignored by mainstream media.

    Because he is a fúcking fruit loop talking completely out of his hole would be my guess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,744 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    Hmm, 14 posts on a topic that looks like it got separated from the CT forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭ Caraibh


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Hmm, 14 posts on a topic that looks like it got separated from the CT forum.

    What's this conspiracy theory? All I see is an interview with Dr Yeadon and people discussing it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,744 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    Caraibh wrote: »
    What's this conspiracy theory? All I see is an interview with Dr Yeadon and people discussing it.
    Mike Yeadon has an unmoving position on this, some of which is completely wrong, but you're free to discuss him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭ Elmer Blooker


    Boggles wrote: »
    Because he is a fúcking fruit loop talking completely out of his hole would be my guess.
    If you have a few minutes to spare it might be worth your while to find out a bit more about this 'fruit loop'.
    Amazing what one can achieve by 'talking out of his hole'.
    Dr Yeadon is a co-founder of Ziarco and CEO. He is an Allergy & Respiratory therapeutic area expert, developed out of deep knowledge of biology & therapeutics, and is an innovative drug discoverer with over 25 years of experience in drug discovery and development. Dr Yeadon has published over 40 original research articles and since 2011 hasconsulted to more than 20 biotechnology companies. Prior to consulting as an independent, he was Vice President and Chief Scientific Officer of the A&R Research Unit of Pfizer. At Pfizer, Dr Yeadon was responsible for target selection and the progress into humans of new molecules, leading teams of up to 200 staff across all disciplines and won an Achievement Award for productivity in 2008. Under his leadership the unit invented oral and inhaled NCEs which delivered positive clinical proofs of concept in asthma, allergic rhinitis and COPD. He led productive external collaborations and was involved in product and device licensing.
    Prior to Pfizer, Dr Yeadon worked at the Wellcome Research Labs with Salvador Moncada with a research focus on airway hyper-responsiveness and effects of pollutants including ozone and working in drug discovery of 5-LO, COX, NO and lung inflammation. With colleagues, he was the first to detect exhaled NO in animals and later to induce NOS in lung via allergic triggers. He attended the University of Surrey in Guildford, U.K, where he received his PhD (under Professor Ian Kitchen), with thesis work in the respiratory field, and a BSc, First Class, with Joint Honours, in Biochemistry and Toxicology.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭ TomTomTim


    Boggles wrote: »
    Because he is a fúcking fruit loop talking completely out of his hole would be my guess.

    Typical of you, straight to slander, with little substance.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭ TomTomTim


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Mike Yeadon has an unmoving position on this, some of which is completely wrong, but you're free to discuss him.

    You still haven't explained the conspiratorial claim?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,897 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    Typical of you, straight to slander, with little substance.

    Slander would infer something I said was untrue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,744 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    You still haven't explained the conspiratorial claim?
    He's anti-lockdowns on sight, in that cohort who claims that there is immunity from previous illnesses, despite there being no evidence whatsoever and has been vocal in insisting we've got it all wrong all the way through. For most people that's a crank.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭ raind


    If you have a few minutes to spare it might be worth your while to find out a bit more about this 'fruit loop'.
    Amazing what one can achieve by 'talking out of his hole'.

    Not am immunologist then despite efforts to bestow unwarranted qualifications on him in the thread title in a effort to make him seem qualified to speak with authority on the vaccine


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,897 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles


    If you have a few minutes to spare it might be worth your while to find out a bit more about this 'fruit loop'.
    Amazing what one can achieve by 'talking out of his hole'.

    It took less than that.

    His continually claims that the global pandemic ended in June with out offering any supporting evidence for his bad shít nonsense immediately disqualifies him or anything he has to offer.

    His family if he has any should be staging a intervention and not allowing him to rant and rave on the internet destroying what ever good reputation he may have built up in the past.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭ Polar101


    Whatever happened to honest debate? Our liberal societies are becoming more similar to a communist regime with every passing year.

    I think the honest debate got buried somewhere under that heavily loaded statement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭ Panthro




    Interesting listen to a Dr Hodkinson talking at Edmonton city Council.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭ Caraibh


    Panthro wrote: »


    Interesting listen to a Dr Hodkinson talking at Edmonton city Council.

    Yes, but some factchecker tried to argue that what he said wasn't actually what he said, if you can believe it. This is how ridiculous this whole thing has become.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,407 ✭✭✭✭ pjohnson


    Caraibh wrote: »
    Yes, but some factchecker tried to argue that what he said wasn't actually what he said, if you can believe it. This is how ridiculous this whole thing has become.



    Off course you dont like fact checking :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭ speckle


    Mike Yeadon as a scientist may not be what the average person thinks an immunologist might be ie. a hospital specialist immunologist that deals with patients.
    Please see the below as many bio medical degrees including bio chemistry etc are accepted by the British society for immunology.

    I know in Ireland when I was at university there was no stand alone degree in immunology that I remember and less than 5 specialists in this country in all the hospitals put together but many more researching it in academia or working in the pharma industry with a variety of undergrad degrees as starting points in their careers. In fact the waiting list was up to 4 years to get an appointment via public health.

    https://www.immunology.org/careers/studying-immunology-undergraduate-level

    They link to here were his first class hons degree would sit as a bio chemist and toxiologist.

    https://careers.ibms.org/discover-biomedical-science/what-is-biomedical-science/

    Like many sciences the more the science evolves pathways are divided into more specialist areas with some over lap.

    Mike Yeadon has recently retired but has worked for decades within science as you can see from his bio and is absolutely a respected expert no matter if you disagree with his views on covid. And should at least be heard and not silenced.

    I dont think there would be room enough in the thread title to list all his titles and expertise but you could try it might actually be more impressive?


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