Why are so many people still going to work

c68zapdsm5i1ru

I had a medical appointment this morning so was out on the road about 8ish. The traffic going in towards town was unbelievable. They couldn't possibly all have been essential workers. The last time we were asked to only go into work if our work was both essential and couldn't be done from home there was huge compliance. But now there seems to be huge ignoring of this restriction and apparently workplaces are one of the causes of figures starting to rise again.

alentejo

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

I had a medical appointment this morning so was out on the road about 8ish. The traffic going in towards town was unbelievable. They couldn't possibly all have been essential workers. The last time we were asked to only go into work if our work was both essential and couldn't be done from home there was huge compliance. But now there seems to be huge ignoring of this restriction and apparently workplaces are one of the causes of figures starting to rise again.

Schools, construction traffic and workers and manufacturing staff all on the move

Mrs OBumble

Schools are open. How do you think the kids get to school.

Construction is open.

Manufacturing is open.

s1ippy

Yeah I've a feeling it's probably more than just those three industries based on the movement in and out of Cork City.

Still going to work, I know people working in pharma, upholstery, computer shops, the legal profession, counselling and supermarkets.

Pharma, fair enough.

Furniture and computer shops, ridiculous.

Legal profession, counsellors, should all be online but if your boss says ye're open, ye're open.

Personally I don't see why shopping centres need to be open and why they can't just do click and collect on a bigger scale but then I saw the demographics attending Lidl when I was getting in my 5k yesterday and those people all looked like they badly need an excuse to get out of the house. Hopefully it's correct that they're not areas with a lot of spread.

Have to say, the volume of traffic in the evenings really confuses us. Where are so many people in such an insane rush to at 9pm?

Thats me

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Schools are open. How do you think the kids get to school.

Construction is open.

Manufacturing is open.

LOL, even some "essential workers" are regularly bringing me advertisements into the door (with all their viruses on it, no gloves noticed).

Fred Cryton

People travelling to work in their private cars are hardly spreading Coronavirus now are they.

Worry more about house parties from our delightful citizens out in Tallaght, Darndale etc. Which just so happen to have the highest incident rates in Dublin.

funnydoggy

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

I had a medical appointment this morning so was out on the road about 8ish. The traffic going in towards town was unbelievable. They couldn't possibly all have been essential workers. The last time we were asked to only go into work if our work was both essential and couldn't be done from home there was huge compliance. But now there seems to be huge ignoring of this restriction and apparently workplaces are one of the causes of figures starting to rise again.

They have to go to work to keep themselves, their families and the wider economy afloat.

Mrs OBumble

Also, public transport is at 25% capacity. Lots of people are now driving, who wouldn't have previously.


And, ahh ... was your medical appointment really essential?

fits

I could absolutely work from home 100% but have been deemed essential and management expect us in a couple of days a week. 3 others in my big office but they’d be the only contacts.

Eircom_Sucks

carpark in airside yesterday at 5pm was bloody mental , wardens directing traffic

i mean why is harvey norman open ? currys ? furniture places had q's outside

woodies a massive q

crazy , you think there wasn't a lockdown and not a gaurd in sight to maybe quiz these shops as to why they are open

ixoy

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

carpark in airside yesterday at 5pm was bloody mental , wardens directing traffic

i mean why is harvey norman open ? currys ? furniture places had q's outside

woodies a massive q

crazy , you think there wasn't a lockdown and not a gaurd in sight to maybe quiz these shops as to why they are open

But they're allowed open for selling essential goods, such as electric items. Why wouldn't they be open?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Fred Cryton wrote: »

People travelling to work in their private cars are hardly spreading Coronavirus now are they.

Worry more about house parties from our delightful citizens out in Tallaght, Darndale etc. Which just so happen to have the highest incident rates in Dublin.

Well actually workplaces have become one of the main areas for rising figures, as I said in my opening post.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Also, public transport is at 25% capacity. Lots of people are now driving, who wouldn't have previously.


And, ahh ... was your medical appointment really essential?

Well aaah yes, it was. I should have had it 8 months ago.

woodchuck

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

carpark in airside yesterday at 5pm was bloody mental , wardens directing traffic

i mean why is harvey norman open ? currys ? furniture places had q's outside

woodies a massive q

crazy , you think there wasn't a lockdown and not a gaurd in sight to maybe quiz these shops as to why they are open

We recently bought a house and we've gone to these shops a lot for essential items. Basic things we just didn't own before like a washing machine, hoover, kettle, wifi booster etc. And woodies for very exciting things like sealant and grout :rolleyes:

I highly doubt everyone going to these shops are desperate for essential items though. A lot of people are just bored sh1tless I'm guessing.

road_high

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

I had a medical appointment this morning so was out on the road about 8ish. The traffic going in towards town was unbelievable. They couldn't possibly all have been essential workers. The last time we were asked to only go into work if our work was both essential and couldn't be done from home there was huge compliance. But now there seems to be huge ignoring of this restriction and apparently workplaces are one of the causes of figures starting to rise again.

Did they not know Paxton Great Mirage had a medical appointment? Inconsiderate people trying to get to work, school etc and keep some semblance of economy running

road_high

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

Well actually workplaces have become one of the main areas for rising figures, as I said in my opening post.

Proof of this?

AssetBacked2

I've noticed the roads in the mornings busier on my walk to the office (when I go in, I generally play it by ear depending how I feel), even out and about during the day it feels busier, which is odd as there are only food places open so I'm not sure what people are doing. Good to see that people are just getting on with life, it would be better if more places were open for business though.

GazzaL

Everyone is sick of the people who do nothing but whinge and moan about people getting on with their lives safely. "Oh look at all these people going out and doing or buying X, Y, Z. I don't need those things in my life so these people are a disgrace.".

c68zapdsm5i1ru

road_high wrote: »

Did they not know BellaBella had a medical appointment? Inconsiderate people trying to get to work, school etc and keep some semblance of economy running

I think you, and the people agreeing with you, have completely misunderstood the point I'm making.

JustAThought

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

carpark in airside yesterday at 5pm was bloody mental , wardens directing traffic

i mean why is harvey norman open ? currys ? furniture places had q's outside

woodies a massive q

crazy , you think there wasn't a lockdown and not a gaurd in sight to maybe quiz these shops as to why they are open

And harvey norman had a 30% sale on ALl goods including bedding and interiors - these were excluded last time & are not ‘essential’ services. Also last lockdown they had click and collect only in HN - and you could not just drift in with your family and saunter around. Its becoming a total joke.

I agree with the OP re all the cars - there are traffic jams ffs. Its a farce.

Also florists , cosmetics shops, hair bauble and gift trinket shops for kids - not essential services. Why are the gaurds not operating any checks afaics.

zf0wqv9oemuasj

While I believe that a lot of the morning traffic is due to schools I also think there are plenty going to work who should be working from home, there should be no offices open and so on when the people can easily be working from home.

PirateShampoo

Fred Cryton wrote: »

People travelling to work in their private cars are hardly spreading Coronavirus now are they.

Worry more about house parties from our delightful citizens out in Tallaght, Darndale etc. Which just so happen to have the highest incident rates in Dublin.

Before you go blaming House parties, what about the crowds of people sat outside pubs in the freezing cold and rain drinking pints from plastic cups?

growleaves

Because money can be exchanged for goods and services?

lemonTrees

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

I had a medical appointment this morning so was out on the road about 8ish. The traffic going in towards town was unbelievable. They couldn't possibly all have been essential workers. The last time we were asked to only go into work if our work was both essential and couldn't be done from home there was huge compliance. But now there seems to be huge ignoring of this restriction and apparently workplaces are one of the causes of figures starting to rise again.

It's not a lockdown. I can guarantee you that if pubs opened tomorrow they would be packed on the run up to Xmas. People are selfish and stupid.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

road_high wrote: »

Proof of this?

Tony Holohans statement

road_high

GazzaL wrote: »

Everyone is sick of the people who do nothing but whinge and moan about people getting on with their lives safely. "Oh look at all these people going out and doing or buying X, Y, Z. I don't need those things in my life so these people are a disgrace.".

Yes very bored of these lot poking to their busybody noses into everyone else’s business. Funnily enough, They appear to be able to give running commentary on how many people were in certain places and what they could purchase or not to down to the bed linen. Draw your own conclusions there....

km991148

Fred Cryton wrote: »

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Worry more about house parties from our delightful citizens out in Tallaght, Darndale etc. Which just so happen to have the highest incident rates in Dublin.

Lol.. yes it's all down in tallaght etc..

Never any dinner parties in clontarf or a sneaky like gathering in Terenure now is there?

road_high

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

Tony Holohans statement

That isn’t actual proof though. It’s it tittle tattle which is his specialty. That and cover ups of course

AssetBacked2

lemonTrees wrote: »

It's not a lockdown. I can guarantee you that if pubs opened tomorrow they would be packed on the run up to Xmas. People are selfish and stupid.

That's quite a self-righteous, unpleasant and begrudging statement to make.

road_high

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

That's quite a self-righteous, unpleasant and begrudging statement to make.

But perfectly sums up the woke Corona-atti with their virtue signalling, faux outrage and moral superiority

jetfiremuck

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

carpark in airside yesterday at 5pm was bloody mental , wardens directing traffic

i mean why is harvey norman open ? currys ? furniture places had q's outside

woodies a massive q

crazy , you think there wasn't a lockdown and not a gaurd in sight to maybe quiz these shops as to why they are open

People getting on with life irrespective as am I.

road_high

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I've noticed the roads in the mornings busier on my walk to the office (when I go in, I generally play it by ear depending how I feel), even out and about during the day it feels busier, which is odd as there are only food places open so I'm not sure what people are doing. Good to see that people are just getting on with life, it would be better if more places were open for business though.

Brilliant to hear and see normal citizens get on with their lives best they can

road_high

growleaves wrote: »

Because money can be exchanged for goods and services?

Well you would think that alright but even the Covid-ratti had a war on cash earlier on too. Bit of a push back against that mania happened though

prunudo

road_high wrote: »

That isn’t actual proof though. It’s it tittle tattle which is his specialty. That and cover ups of course

Hes not wrong though, hosptials, care homes and garda stations are all work places too, but I don't think thats what he was insinuating.

Melanchthon

Sylas Uninterested Peppercorn wrote: »

While I believe that a lot of the morning traffic is due to schools I also think there are plenty going to work who should be working from home, there should be no offices open and so on when the people can easily be working from home.

This is it, know people that were forced back into full time office despite being fully capable of working from home.
Irish company and Irish management style.

It's the governments fault though, if the companies doing this were being hit by regular HSA inspections it would be hastle for the owners/managers and they would stick with having staff working from home.

Thats me

road_high wrote: »

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

Well actually workplaces have become one of the main areas for rising figures, as I said in my opening post.

Proof of this?

This can be extracted from table "Number of clusters/outbreaks COVID-19 by location and HSE area" in HPSC' Epidemiology of COVID-19 in Ireland Report.

It contains totals, so you need get delta between two reports.
For example lets take latest reports with few days interval: 6 Nov and 13 Nov

The result:

                   6 Nov  13 Nov   Delta
----------------- ------ ------- -------
Private house      5,131   5,914    +783
Other                895     959     +64
Workplace            248     259     +11
Hospital             153     163     +10
Residential inst.    264     270      +6
Unknown                8      13      +5
Nursing home         340     344      +4
Comm. Hosp/LSU        32      33      +1

As you can see Workplace is on the 3rd place which does perfectly fit to definition "one of the main areas".

SuperRabbit

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah I've a feeling it's probably more than just those three industries based on the movement in and out of Cork City.

Still going to work, I know people working in pharma, upholstery, computer shops, the legal profession, counselling and supermarkets.

Pharma, fair enough.

Furniture and computer shops, ridiculous.

Legal profession, counsellors, should all be online but if your boss says ye're open, ye're open.

Vast majority of counselling is taking place online, many people can't do counselling online for a wide range of reasons and it is absolutely an essential service. Can we not shame people trying to take care of their mental health?

I don't understand why adult education is open in level 3, 10 people in a room 5 days a week 6 hours a day (8 hours for the teacher) that's my one that bugs me, I guess everyone has something they disagree with. Adults can learn online, you don't need privacy or anything you just need a 30 euro smart phone and internet. I think when the government decided to leave adult education open in level 3 they were thinking of people going to small evening classes once or twice a week and forgot about all the other types of adult ed.

Mrs OBumble

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

Well aaah yes, it was. I should have had it 8 months ago.

If you're still alive 8 months later without it, then no it wasn't.

Yeah I get that it may be a diagnostic test for a cancer or some such (I've missed a follow-up screening myself).

But there are degrees of essentialism.

hurikane

Can’t bate it, everyone ripping the OP a new one

lemonTrees

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

That's quite a self-righteous, unpleasant and begrudging statement to make.

No it's just a fact. People need to be lead by the hand instead of taking on a degree of self awareness and responsibility.

It's all about the self and not the collective.

It's not just a problem in Ireland either btw.

road_high

Thats me wrote: »

This can be extracted from table "Number of clusters/outbreaks COVID-19 by location and HSE area" in HPSC' Epidemiology of COVID-19 in Ireland Report.

It contains totals, so you need get delta between two reports.
For example lets take latest reports with few days interval: 6 Nov and 13 Nov

The result:

                   6 Nov  13 Nov   Delta
----------------- ------ ------- -------
Private house      5,131   5,914    +783
Other                895     959     +64
Workplace            248     259     +11
Hospital             153     163     +10
Residential inst.    264     270      +6
Unknown                8      13      +5
Nursing home         340     344      +4
Comm. Hosp/LSU        32      33      +1

As you can see Workplace is on the 3rd place which does perfectly fit to definition "one of the main areas".

What type of workplaces? Hospitals, care homes etc all are workplaces. There’s a major distinction to be made which tony didn’t address in his latest ramblings. As we all well know by now he isn’t someone across detail

s1ippy

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And, ahh ... was your medical appointment really essential?

Jesus Christ.

Thats me

road_high wrote: »

What type of workplaces? Hospitals, care homes etc all are workplaces.

You can add these counts to the "Workplace" counts if you want. This will not affect corrctness of what poster said.

SteM

Fred Cryton wrote: »

People travelling to work in their private cars are hardly spreading Coronavirus now are they.

Worry more about house parties from our delightful citizens out in Tallaght, Darndale etc. Which just so happen to have the highest incident rates in Dublin.

Would you stop, there are house parties all over the place. Was invited to 2 in Greystones over the last few weekends but keep sure bashing the obvious targets.

Thats me

SteM wrote: »

Would you stop, there are house parties all over the place. Was invited to 2 in Greystones over the last few weekends but keep sure bashing the obvious targets.

Of course they will since everybody sees these lockdown restrictions are not seriously enforced.

fly_agaric

road_high wrote: »

woke Corona-atti with their virtue signalling, faux outrage and moral superiority

Wew some amount of buzz words thrown out there!

Loads of sins on the other side of these arguments though too.

In extreme cases they are much worse ones like anti intellectualism, selfishness, arrogance & denial of facts.

A bit of shroud waving about issues like mental health that the "non woke" (if you want to use the term) could not have given a wet fart for before advent of Conronavius restrictions.

ednwireland

Paxton Great Mirage wrote: »

Why are so many people still going to work.

so they get paid, I'm in work cos broadband is rubbish at home (if only i had thought the eircom could be so incompetent 23 years ago)

jimmycrackcorm

Deaths aren't occurring at the same rate as they were in the initial period of the lockdown so we don't appear to need the same level of closures. However, I think a significant factor is that people are more used to social distancing and wearing masks now which means a lot of places, including schools can be open this time round.

I see sheep

lemonTrees wrote: »

It's not a lockdown. I can guarantee you that if pubs opened tomorrow they would be packed on the run up to Xmas. People are selfish and stupid.

I hope pubs are busy before Xmas.

I want pubs to stay viable as businesses.

Fred Cryton

km991148 wrote: »

Lol.. yes it's all down in tallaght etc..

Never any dinner parties in clontarf or a sneaky like gathering in Terenure now is there?

D4 and D6 have the lowest incident rate in Dublin. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

lemonTrees

I see sheep wrote: »

I hope pubs are packed before Xmas.

I want pubs to stay viable as businesses.

Yeah you and many more people and iv'e no problem with that as long as you and your ilk aren't moaning and groaning when many more businesses go to the wall because we have to enforce a harsher lockdown in the new year.