Are you adhering to the Households rule?

zerosugarbuzz

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

That's a very strange comment and really displays your ignorance. Pre Covid-19, there was a huge shortage of skilled health service employees despite years of continuous recruitment campaigns. Increasing hospital capacity isn't like extending a shop or factory and slapping up a 'staff wanted' notice.

One of the arguments politicians make for themselves having big salaries is to attract the right caliber of people. If the applied the appropriate pay and conditions to the jobs advertised they would have no problem getting the staff. Fine gale are morally opposed to free health care, that’s why it’s not managed correctly.

zerosugarbuzz

JustAThought wrote: »

f* everyone not bothering. Not giving a s* and for putting lives at risk because they are too selfish to bother. Happy to risk Infecting healthy people, people who have fought through cancer and years of treatment to stay alive, elderly people who have worked their whole lives bit will be refused an ICU place because they are over 60 & have heart condition and are male,

F those who are putting lives and hospital workers and their families at risk because they are too impotent and selfish to pull their weight and do the basics. F those who think their last responsibility to their child was then they spat them out of their vagina.


I hope they all die screaming in regret.Preferably
from covid.

You need to get yourself some help, I mean that in the best possible way.

Shadow Dancer

rinleezz wrote: »

Funny you say that, because if you look back, you will notice that everything went downhill when restrictions were eased and schools reopened. You only seem interested in the financial effects of a lockdown, which is understandable. I'm lucky enough to have been working this entire time and I can only imagine what business owners are going through.

I'm glad you've been working. I genuinely mean that. I'm actually more interested than the financial effects to be honest. Eg. missed diagnosis, destruction of the fabric of society, unscientific methods and incorrect modelling by Nphet. The list goes on.
The constant propaganda on mainstream media.

facehugger99

People who blindly follow illogical rules are dangerous, weak-minded fools IMO.

zerosugarbuzz

Brother Andy wrote: »

To see people openly breaking the rules during a global pandemic is a reasonable source of anger.
To see people reaching a whole new level of selfishness and stupidity is infuriating

I would see the stupidity being with the people who, even at this late stage can’t see that lockdowns don’t work. I couldn’t be bothered posting the evidence. People like you want the lockdowns for whatever mad reason. Not much of a life in normal times I guess and jealous of others who do.

_Kaiser_

Brother Andy wrote: »

To see people openly breaking the rules during a global pandemic is a reasonable source of anger.
To see people reaching a whole new level of selfishness and stupidity is infuriating

A pandemic which doesn't pose any significant risk to the vast majority of people in this country. Where despite cases jumping significantly in the last 2 months, deaths have remained in single digits every day (and some of those from months ago because of the way the numbers are calculated and quoted) and hospitals reported recently that they were no busier than normal.

The really infuriating part is the impact of the daily overload of fear and pronouncements from Holohan and RTE has had on people like yourself and others in this thread - lashing out against those who in your mind aren't taking it as seriously as you are.

If you are part of the small percentage of people who are actually at risk from CV-19, or live with or visit someone who is then absolutely should you and they do whatever necessary to be and indeed feel safe, but stop complaining about others who aren't in the same risk bracket or who don't share your risk assessment of the situation.

Me, I live alone, work from home since March and don't generally go anywhere beyond the shops once or twice a week anyway, but then I was in a similar position before all this anyway. I'm not sick, haven't been sick, and am minimal risk to or from anyone anyway. But because of these restrictions and messaging I'm further restricted anyway because others are afraid.

What I AM sick of though is attitudes like the above and Holohan and co crying Wolf every day and scaring people more.
As a result I haven't been able to give my 8 year old son a hug in months and hardly see him because his mother is so scared by this (not helped by her generally always jumping to the worst case scenario anyway) that she's afraid they'll catch it from me if I'm down or within 2m of them. He hasn't been back to school either for the same reasons, and while home schooling is working OK for now, kids need to be around other kids and free to play normally - actual normal, not this pods and strictly regulated way that has been imposed.

It's ludicrous, but I can't entirely blame her as, as above, this scaremongering feeds into her natural state of worry about things and the damage its causing her mental health has to be significant, to say nothing about the impact on my son and our relationship. Oh sure we still talk daily on WhatsApp and can play online games etc but it's very hard on me watching him remember to keep his distance when I have been down, or seeing young kids generally in shops with masks on as if there's nothing wrong with this whole situation.

This isn't about living with Covid. This is protecting the civil servants and politicians who have mismanaged the HSE for decades. Nothing more than that. It's just a pity that people like yourself and others don't realise that

Dakota Dan

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I am, but there's definitely some family and friends who aren't and it's frustrating to see

Is it Restrictions fatigue or is it ignorance?

Are people following the Households rule or just doing whatever they like now?

Poll to follow

Does it bother you?

[Deleted User]

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I would see the stupidity being with the people who, even at this late stage can’t see that lockdowns don’t work. I couldn’t be bothered posting the evidence. People like you want the lockdowns for whatever mad reason. Not much of a life in normal times I guess and jealous of others who do.

This is the most ridiculous response I have ever seen on boards, congratulations, that’s quite an achievement

Why do you say people like me want the lockdown? You know nothing about me. It’s a necessary evil.
I hate the lockdown.

“Not much of a life at normal times” oh holy sweet Jesus. Again, you know nothing about me but great way to form an argument

Enjoy school tomorrow

zerosugarbuzz

Brother Andy wrote: »

This is the most ridiculous response I have ever seen on boards, congratulations, that’s quite an achievement

Why do you say people like me want the lockdown? You know nothing about me. It’s a necessary evil.
I hate the lockdown.

“Not much of a life at normal times” oh holy sweet Jesus. Again, you know nothing about me but great way to form an argument

Enjoy school tomorrow

Thanks, I’ll try to do even better. Live and let live, you can happily stay in and the rest of us will do our thing. No need for it to be any of your business.

[Deleted User]

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Thanks, I’ll try to do even better. Live and let live, you can happily stay in and the rest of us will do our thing. No need for it to be any of your business.

Sorry, when idiots who break the rules and contract Covid and transmit it, it is my business, it’s everyone’s business. The numbers go up, the lockdowns continue. Are you so short sighted.
Follow rules, numbers go down, lockdown ends.
Just the selfish few who believe they don’t need to follow the rules.

Not my business????

pjohnson

Brother Andy wrote: »

Sorry, when idiots who break the rules and contract Covid and transmit it, it is my business, it’s everyone’s business. The numbers go up, the lockdowns continue. Are you so short sighted.
Follow rules, numbers go down, lockdown ends.
Just the selfish few who believe they don’t need to follow the rules.

Not my business????

Its always been a self fulfilling prophecy.

The eejits that whinge and moan about lockdown behave in the very way that causes the lockdowns they whinge and moan about, while blaming everyone else and refusing to look in a mirror.


That level of awareness has constantly been amusing.

zerosugarbuzz

Brother Andy wrote: »

Sorry, when idiots who break the rules and contract Covid and transmit it, it is my business, it’s everyone’s business. The numbers go up, the lockdowns continue. Are you so short sighted.
Follow rules, numbers go down, lockdown ends.
Just the selfish few who believe they don’t need to follow the rules.

Not my business????

Interesting that it is pro lockdown brigade on here that are so full of bile and anger. Not exactly painting a positive picture for staying indoors.

[Deleted User]

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Interesting that it is pro lockdown brigade on here that are so full of bile and anger. Not exactly painting a positive picture for staying indoors.

I couldnt agree more. Now, do you get it?????

iamwhoiam

Antares35 wrote: »

Maybe they can't afford crèche? Is it not a good thing if grandparents can mind their grandchildren and facilitate the parents working and paying tax etc. where they might not otherwise be able to (or it simply might not be worth their while by the time they've paid crèche fees)?

Also some grand parents enjoy minding the grandchildren ! They keep us young and we get such enjoyment taking them to the beach or park or to the National Stud
I will admit I also enjoy handing them back at 5 pm but we love having them and it is entirely our choice .
We get out far more now with the kids here and get to the zoo and all sorts of exciting places . !


Many grand parents were minding the kids before Covid and are now essential child carers as they are who are needed to look after the children . Someone has to look after them as the parents are back at work and so according to the guidelines the grandparents are essential carers

zerosugarbuzz

Brother Andy wrote: »

I couldnt agree more. Now, do you get it?????

Do I get what brother angry?

[Deleted User]

Numbers are coming down nicely so I’m really not that fussed. Enough people are adhering to the rules for the restrictions to be working. There’s nothing to be gained from stressing about other people

[Deleted User]

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Do I get what brother angry?

Zerobuzz,
I don’t like the lockdowns
I dont want to be indoors
I want the lockdown to end as quickly as possible
But people who are deciding the lockdown doesnt apply to them are going to delay the restrictions being lifted
It’s not rocket science

[Deleted User]

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Also some grand parents enjoy minding the grandchildren ! They keep us young and we get such enjoyment taking them to the beach or park or to the National Stud
I will admit I also enjoy handing them back at 5 pm but we love having them and it is entirely our choice .
We get out far more now with the kids here and get to the zoo and all sorts of exciting places . !

I'm delighted for you! I remember reading your posts during first lockdown and I know how hard it was! Great to see you have the sense to go on living now, sensibly and with precautions, but living and seeing/minding your grandchildren.....plus providing an invaluable service to their Mum and Dad! Its called life.

I think most people whether they are on Boards or not have found a way that works for them at this stage. No more seeing Granny through the window, and not hugging grandkids, not seeing partners and lovers, this time round people are quietly making their own arrangements and its great to see.

prunudo

facehugger99 wrote: »

People who blindly follow illogical rules are dangerous, weak-minded fools IMO.

As is evident by the many people hanging on every word from a deranged man across the pond.

jackboy

Brother Andy wrote: »

Zerobuzz,
I don’t like the lockdowns
I dont want to be indoors
I want the lockdown to end as quickly as possible
But people who are deciding the lockdown doesnt apply to them are going to delay the restrictions being lifted
It’s not rocket science

Not necessarily. After the last level 5 lockdown it was agreed by Nphet and the government that now that we have learned what works and doesn’t, future lockdowns would be more focused. They said that the 5 k rule was not effective or necessary and would not form part of future lockdowns.

So, it’s safe to say the 5k rule can be ignored and it is being ignored by the majority (in rural areas, don’t know about urban areas).

_Kaiser_

Brother Andy wrote: »

Zerobuzz,
I don’t like the lockdowns
I dont want to be indoors
I want the lockdown to end as quickly as possible
But people who are deciding the lockdown doesnt apply to them are going to delay the restrictions being lifted
It’s not rocket science

And what do you think lockdowns will achieve? Because you do realise that once it's lifted, the case numbers (but thankfully not the actual deaths) will increase significantly again, right?

Lockdown won't get rid of CV-19. The only thing it does is kill jobs and businesses, and damage mental health. It's not about the health service either as they're no busier than normal.

Anyone who actually IS at any significant risk should be 'locking down" regardless of what meaningless (as the 'plan' was shredded before it landed on people's doormats) level we're at anyway.

I think you'd be better off directing your anger at Holohan and NPHET, or Micheal Martin, Leo, and RTE for making you so afraid and paranoid about what your fellow citizens (who don't share your fears) are doing.

[Deleted User]

jackboy wrote: »

Not necessarily. After the last level 5 lockdown it was agreed by Nphet and the government that now that we have learned what works and doesn’t, future lockdowns would be more focused. They said that the 5 k rule was not effective or necessary and would not form part of future lockdowns.

So, it’s safe to say the 5k rule can be ignored and it is being ignored by the majority (in rural areas, don’t know about urban areas).

Bring it on, the sooner we loose that 5km restriction the better. That would be the game changer and make everything a lot better

_Kaiser_

Brother Andy wrote: »

Bring it on, the sooner we loose that 5km restriction the better. That would be the game changer and make everything a lot better

Not if they keep county level travel restrictions. Fine if you live, work and socialise in Dublin or wherever you live, but if you're one of the tens of thousands who was priced out into neighbouring counties and commute every day or have family/friends where you came from it doesn't change much.

[Deleted User]

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think you'd be better off directing your anger at Holohan and NPHET, or Micheal Martin, Leo, and RTE for making you so afraid and paranoid about what your fellow citizens (who don't share your fears) are doing.

What is the story with boards? Do people just see what they want to see?

Where did I say I am afraid or paranoid?
I want to be able to travel to my parents without breaking the rules
I just want to be able to do the stuff I am passionate about at the weekend.

iamwhoiam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm delighted for you! I remember reading your posts during first lockdown and I know how hard it was! Great to see you have the sense to go on living now, sensibly and with precautions, but living and seeing/minding your grandchildren.....plus providing an invaluable service to their Mum and Dad! Its called life.

I think most people whether they are on Boards or not have found a way that works for them at this stage. No more seeing Granny through the window, and not hugging grandkids, not seeing partners and lovers, this time round people are quietly making their own arrangements and its great to see.

Thank you for the lovely post . Most people I know are being careful , cautious but making choices that are best for them and their families . My family comes first and we are all adults who can think and make decisions that are the best choices for us all
I hope you and yours are keeping well and strong too

prunudo

pjohnson wrote: »

Its always been a self fulfilling prophecy.

The eejits that whinge and moan about lockdown behave in the very way that causes the lockdowns they whinge and moan about, while blaming everyone else and refusing to look in a mirror.


That level of awareness has constantly been amusing.

Thats a very broad sweeping statement. You can't tar everyone who complains about the restrictions as being the cause of the spread. This ultimately comes down to personal responsibility. I don't like the way people are banned from visiting parents and family or how businesses were made close their doors even though they didn't cause spread and adhered to guidelines.
Whether we are on level 2 or 5 I still won't gather in crowded places or stand too close to people. To say it is my fault that numbers increase is wrong and a very simplistic view of it. But I guess you already know that.

pjohnson

woody22 wrote: »

Numbers are coming down nicely so I’m really not that fussed. Enough people are adhering to the rules for the restrictions to be working. There’s nothing to be gained from stressing about other people

Yep and there will always be those scrotes like the Luas protesters but the majority are intelligent enough to do the right things. Theres always a very vocal fringe.

DSN

For the most part we are like lots others limiting contacts n staying within our 5km. Being sensible using common sense. Thank goodness live rural so no nosy neighbours to twitch and seethe. I happen to think loneliness is a good reason to 'break' the rule.

drunkmonkey

Brother Andy wrote: »

“I know for a fact that we’ll never get this time back with our loved ones, so we have to enjoy our time now”
It’s is precisely this logic that is putting your loved ones at risk, and also delaying me seeing my loved ones.

You won't get this time back and the older you are the more important it is to enjoy it now. There's a lot of old people out there thinking their kids have lost the plot. In trying to protect them they've completely isolated and bullied them. I find it disgusting what's happening.
You can't blame anyone else but yourself for not going to see them, it's entirely possible to mind your own behavior so when you go visit your not a risk regardless of any rules.

gozunda

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

A pandemic which doesn't pose any significant risk to the vast majority of people in this country. Where despite cases jumping significantly in the last 2 months, deaths have remained in single digits every day (and some of those from months ago because of the way the numbers are calculated and quoted) and hospitals reported recently that they were no busier than normal.

The really infuriating part is the impact of the daily overload of fear and pronouncements from Holohan and RTE has had on people like yourself and others in this thread - lashing out against those who in your mind aren't taking it as seriously as you are.

If you are part of the small percentage of people who are actually at risk from CV-19, or live with or visit someone who is then absolutely should you and they do whatever necessary to be and indeed feel safe, but stop complaining about others who aren't in the same risk bracket or who don't share your risk assessment of the situation.

Me, I live alone, work from home since March and don't generally go anywhere beyond the shops once or twice a week anyway, but then I was in a similar position before all this anyway. I'm not sick, haven't been sick, and am minimal risk to or from anyone anyway. But because of these restrictions and messaging I'm further restricted anyway because others are afraid.

What I AM sick of though is attitudes like the above and Holohan and co crying Wolf every day and scaring people more.
As a result I haven't been able to give my 8 year old son a hug in months and hardly see him because his mother is so scared by this (not helped by her generally always jumping to the worst case scenario anyway) that she's afraid they'll catch it from me if I'm down or within 2m of them. He hasn't been back to school either for the same reasons, and while home schooling is working OK for now, kids need to be around other kids and free to play normally - actual normal, not this pods and strictly regulated way that has been imposed.

It's ludicrous, but I can't entirely blame her as, as above, this scaremongering feeds into her natural state of worry about things and the damage its causing her mental health has to be significant, to say nothing about the impact on my son and our relationship. Oh sure we still talk daily on WhatsApp and can play online games etc but it's very hard on me watching him remember to keep his distance when I have been down, or seeing young kids generally in shops with masks on as if there's nothing wrong with this whole situation.

This isn't about living with Covid. This is protecting the civil servants and politicians who have mismanaged the HSE for decades. Nothing more than that. It's just a pity that people like yourself and others don't realise that

You know this isn't just about you?

Hospitals "no busier than normal"?????

I have a family member working on the front line and what they have told me would make you think about again.

But like fuk them right?

I think you're making it up or just having a laugh at this stage . Hard to tell tbh.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40077212.html