Next Regime Change War?

Fuzzyduzzy

Given that Trump was against regime change wars and regularly spoke out against the military industrial complex (first US president in 40 years to not invade another country) it is very likely we will return to the good old 'spreading democracy' days under the Biden/Harris presidency.

Which country is this most likely to occur against? Russian and North Korean relations with US will not be as friendly now, to name the most worrying two. PS this is not a pro or anti either candidate post, just don't like the war craic. Interesting article below highlighting the US profit to be made from war.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/39092315

Ten of Swords

Ethiopia is on the brink of civil war since an operation was launched 2 days ago to reassert control over the northern Tigray region after separatists attacked a government army base

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54838282

Gatling

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Now that Putin is meeting karma I'd say Eastern Ukraine ,south oscetia and Belarus are on shakey ground,Assad must be ****ting himself now daddy Putin won't be around to save him again

perrito caliente

Gatling wrote: »

Now that Putin is meeting karma I'd say Eastern Ukraine ,south oscetia and Belarus are on shakey ground,Assad must be ****ting himself now daddy Putin won't be around to save him again

You must be champing at the bit Gatling. We all know you love a good war [from the sidelines].

McGinniesta

It's happening in Washington at the moment.

Not necessarily in a good way

Kivaro

When I saw this thread pop up, I thought; very interesting.
As in, we are going to be in for very interesting times in all our futures with the vacuum of Trump and Putin.
How is your Mandarin classes going people?

I reckon we'll be seeing movement more towards South America. There just isn't the support for foreign wars, whereas SA is still considered their backyard. Perhaps a reactivation for the war on drugs.

biko

Biden will probably stop the return of Afghanistan troops so that war will continue.

He will probably start bombing Yemen (even though he says he won't).

Either way, he will pick up after Obama and become another Dems war president.
Gotta keep that complex happy.

Joe Biden, like­ly to secure the elec­toral col­lege votes he needs to win the pres­i­den­tial elec­tion,
bears direct respon­si­bil­i­ty for a host of griev­ous for­eign pol­i­cy harms, from the 2003 U.S. inva­sion of Iraq
to the occu­pa­tion and per­se­cu­tion of Pales­tini­ans to the still-ongo­ing war in Afghanistan. SRC

Cheerful Spring2

Hearing from people CNN says Dick Cheney will be advising Biden on foreign policy. Not a fresh start. Do we really need these mad men whispering in Biden ear? I hope for the best with Biden, news like this if true, sets things back.

the purple tin

If Cheney is advising then Iran is in trouble.

ancapailldorcha

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

Given that Trump was against regime change wars and regularly spoke out against the military industrial complex (first US president in 40 years to not invade another country) it is very likely we will return to the good old 'spreading democracy' days under the Biden/Harris presidency.

Which country is this most likely to occur against? Russian and North Korean relations with US will not be as friendly now, to name the most worrying two. PS this is not a pro or anti either candidate post, just don't like the war craic. Interesting article below highlighting the US profit to be made from war.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/39092315

I'd say he was just too incapable, corrupt and impotent to ever get to it more than anything else.

Kivaro wrote: »

When I saw this thread pop up, I thought; very interesting.
As in, we are going to be in for very interesting times in all our futures with the vacuum of Trump and Putin.
How is your Mandarin classes going people?

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gozunda

"ancapailldorcha wrote:

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"Man woman man camera tv"?

But certainly an Interesting viewpoint. Could you elaborate on that?

completedit

US foreign policy is so hard to juggle. Good men can look bad as they try to maintain the global order, albeit one that propagates the western democracy is good bias.

Limpy

It will happen for sure. Hopefully we see some black hawk down type event's to lol at.

Markcheese

Was the us abandoning it's kurdish allies in syria a "peaceful " move ,

Obama was critized by many for not bombing the assad regieme over chemical weapons ...

Can't see the Yanks bombing yemen , the Saudis are well capable of that and they're buying us bombs and planed to do it with .

If I was guessing, it'll involve turkey , either a turkish proxy war, or the Turks cutting off water to iraq , or something similar to the greek turkish stand off , the Egyptian / turkish dramas , ngorno karabach , turkey having a go at France , turkey doing something drastic against the kurds .
Plus their currency is in crisis ... So a good external show of force would help at home ...

RandomName2

gozunda wrote: »

"Man woman man camera tv"?

But certainly an Interesting viewpoint. Could you elaborate on that?

gozunda

RandomName2 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhZyHIZpzoM&ab_channel=TheLateShowwithStephenColbert

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person,_woman,_man,_camera,_TV


Its funny - but in context meh ...

Gatling

Markcheese wrote: »

Can't see the Yanks bombing yemen , the Saudis are well capable of that and they're buying us bombs and planed to do it with .

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They have been bombing targets in Yemen since Obama got in

suicide_circus

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Hearing from people CNN says Dick Cheney will be advising Biden on foreign policy. Not a fresh start. Do we really need these mad men whispering in Biden ear? I hope for the best with Biden, news like this if true, sets things back.

I've found one tweet saying CNN said Cheney will advise Biden and nothing else. Any more sources?

the purple tin

suicide_circus wrote: »

I've found one tweet saying CNN said Cheney will advise Biden and nothing else. Any more sources?

Why doesn't he just shuffle off this mortal coil and do the world a favour?
He's already had about 50 heart attacks. It's true what they say 'you can't kill a bad thing'.

suicide_circus

the purple tin wrote: »

Why doesn't he just shuffle off this mortal coil and do the world a favour?
He's already had about 50 heart attacks. It's true what they say 'you can't kill a bad thing'.

Joe Biden?

the purple tin

suicide_circus wrote: »

Joe Biden?

No, Cheney the scumbag. Rumsfeld and Baby Bush can feck off and die too.

Richard Hillman

ISIS are gaining traction in Afghanistan. The democrats will owe Jeep a favour after they paid for that product placement at his speeches. Based in Ohio too, so they'll want to win that back. A nice military contract will go down well

Maybe they might even go for Nigeria. A ton of Oil and Islamists control a very large part of the country (not in Oil country though). It would be a good way to flood Europe with more Migrants too.

Or maybe the oil wars are over. Maybe Cobalt is the future. DR Congo? They'll need to find a good excuse for that though.

Eric Cartman

The chinese have been buying up africa trading infrastructure for land and influence. If biden cops it I wouldnt be surprised if they had a war in africa to ‘liberate’ a country or two... countries with rare earth metals and other resources

biko

Yes, another sweet proxy war to keep the military industry happy.
And just like Vice President Cheney gave his own company Halliburton the oil rights in Iraq after President Bush invaded, I'm sure Hunter Biden will sit on the boards of some more companies after his dad have bombed the **** out of the natives.

Jimbob1977

Belarus possibly. Although it would be applied pressure rather than forceful regime change.

Syria

Iran

A new campaign to subdue Afghanistan again

The Caucusus

Everywhere else is relatively calm

gw80

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The chinese have been buying up africa trading infrastructure for land and influence. If biden cops it I wouldnt be surprised if they had a war in africa to ‘liberate’ a country or two... countries with rare earth metals and other resources

Yep, rare earths is where it's at now,
China is the top producer at the moment because you know, no human rights and all that, a lot of cancer villages and toxic lakes popping up in China, but we need them touch screens nice and shiny, and America and Australia recently pissed China off by trying to come together and find there own rare earths,

Gatling

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Belarus possibly. Although it would be applied pressure rather than forceful regime change.

Syria

Iran

We know Afghanistan is far from over definitely going to see an increase in US to NATO forces ,till the Afghans stand up and say they don't want the Taliban or Isis they will keep coming,

Can't see the assad regime lasting long without putin to prop him up and who ever replaces putin won't be committing several hundred thousand troops to stabilise what little area assad has some control over as well as fight the Kurds and then turkey .

Iran is interesting protests are getting bigger and lasting longer every year and the number of original revolutionaries are shrinking yearly could eventually see a younger more open government eventually comes through , still a possibility of some conflict in state.

Biker79

ISIS gaining ground in Africa:

https://ctc.usma.edu/the-islamic-states-strategic-trajectory-in-africa-key-takeaways-from-its-attack-claims/

Gatling

Biker79 wrote: »

ISIS gaining ground in Africa:

https://ctc.usma.edu/the-islamic-states-strategic-trajectory-in-africa-key-takeaways-from-its-attack-claims/

Tons of various Islamist groups fighting in Africa for donkey years all for various reasons none on the scale of Isis or having isis type goals

biko

I think China has too many interests in various African countries for Biden to risk stepping on their toes.
That said, ISIS/Boko Haram/al Shabaab could do with a pounding.

Markcheese

gw80 wrote: »

Yep, rare earths is where it's at now,
China is the top producer at the moment because you know, no human rights and all that, a lot of cancer villages and toxic lakes popping up in China, but we need them touch screens nice and shiny, and America and Australia recently pissed China off by trying to come together and find there own rare earths,

They're not all that rare , and Australia and the us have quite large reserves , they're just dirty to extract and refine ,

Eric Cartman

Markcheese wrote: »

They're not all that rare , and Australia and the us have quite large reserves , they're just dirty to extract and refine ,

same issue with gold. Many commodities are in abundance, you just need to find a way to strip human rights away to get to them.

This is why Africa is the worlds last comodities playground. China knows it and has been trading their way in. The US will just war their way in under Biden.

biko

biko wrote: »

I think China has too many interests in various African countries for Biden to risk stepping on their toes.
That said, ISIS/Boko Haram/al Shabaab could do with a pounding.

Pretty much. I don't Biden will want to escalate conflict with China in Africa, beyond the diplomatic/economic. Actual military conflict with China could easily spiral out of control, which would be far too costly. They'll want a crackpot dictator or one of the more traditional targets. ISIS sounds most likely since it appeals to the war on terror.

ohnonotgmail

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd say he was just too incapable, corrupt and impotent to ever get to it more than anything else.



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ExMachina1000

Should probably hit China now or very soon. On course to overtake the United states and become world's most powerful.

If the Us doesn't act soon they will find themselves in a position of not being able to act

They should send antifa instead of the marines

Markcheese

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Should probably hit China now or very soon. On course to overtake the United states and become world's most powerful.

If the Us doesn't act soon they will find themselves in a position of not being able to act

They should send antifa instead of the marines

They're not going to hit china , it's too big , the "game"
Is about manouvring , spheres of influence and control over choke points ...
And from the outside it looks like china is playing a blinder while the U.S. hasn't even decided what the game is ..
China wants to control access to the resources it needs , and to have either client states or serious influence within it's sphere ...

Markcheese

Eric Cartman wrote: »

same issue with gold. Many commodities are in abundance, you just need to find a way to strip human rights away to get to them.

This is why Africa is the worlds last comodities playground. China knows it and has been trading their way in. The US will just war their way in under Biden.

They've been warring away for a long time In Central africa ,next to the French ...and precious little commodities to show ... Yet ...
Libya's a feic up . The Turks have kind of "stolen" it from under the noses of everyone else..

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Should probably hit China now or very soon. On course to overtake the United states and become world's most powerful.

If the Us doesn't act soon they will find themselves in a position of not being able to act

They should send antifa instead of the marines

China is nowhere close to reaching parity with the US in terms of technology, practical application of forces, or experience. Yes, they have some decent tech, but overall they're well behind the US, and their military is riddled with morale issues, and corruption. It's one of the reasons Xi pushed so hard to downsize the size of the military and create more elite forces.. but the Generals wanted a large military because they make money from it. So a large military it is, and growing larger. Larger doesn't mean it's a bigger threat...

China is impressive compared to other Asian countries, but it's 2-3 decades behind the US still. Big isn't enough considering the technologies involved... besides the fact, that China is extremely vulnerable to a range of attacks, whereas the US is sitting pretty secure. It also helps that China has managed to isolate itself, and remove all goodwill in Asia.. with the US now supplying most of their neighbors with weaponry.

Nah. The US can continue to dance around China for a while yet, especially if they can hit China's economy even more... which Trump started. That's really going to knock China back a dozen feet.

Markcheese

Markcheese wrote: »

They're not going to hit china , it's too big , the "game"
Is about manouvring , spheres of influence and control over choke points ...
And from the outside it looks like china is playing a blinder while the U.S. hasn't even decided what the game is ..
China wants to control access to the resources it needs , and to have either client states or serious influence within it's sphere ...

Pretty much. They want the Qing Dynasty back. Client states, tribute, 'respect', etc. They want to rule over Asia. Not going to happen now though.

Fuzzyduzzy

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/biden-will-have-the-most-diverse

An idea of the Biden team we can expect. Very worrying and littered with cheerleaders for the military industrial complex. Hopefully we still look back in 4 years feeling that Trump saying mean things was so awful.

Dr. Bre

If its true about Cheney he might aswell have Rumsfeld on the team also. Go full hawkish!

Gatling

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

An idea of the Biden team we can expect.

Maybe come back with some decent source not a trumpet

ohnonotgmail

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/biden-will-have-the-most-diverse

An idea of the Biden team we can expect. Very worrying and littered with cheerleaders for the military industrial complex. Hopefully we still look back in 4 years feeling that Trump saying mean things was so awful.

yeah that site doesn't sound biased at all

It's been obvious for a long time that Joe Biden's cabinet would be packed with Obama holdovers, war pigs and whatever primary opponents he owes favors to,

Fuzzyduzzy

Gatling wrote: »

Maybe come back with some decent source not a trumpet

I'm back, you'll find the same names here:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/07/joe-biden-cabinet-picks-possible-choices-433431

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/11/09/who-could-make-up-bidens-cabinet/amp/

Donald Trump

Gatling wrote: »

Maybe come back with some decent source not a trumpet

Pun intended?

Gatling

Donald Trump wrote: »

Pun intended?

Yes it was i trying to get something to go with trumpisms and not supporter trumpet (could be spelt different)

Fuzzyduzzy

The warhogs in the establishment (democrats /republicans) must be thrilled about this band getting back together. I'm not talking about one party here, I'm on about the US invading other countries under the guise of being the police force of the world and profiting from it.

Undeniably Trump has his flaws but a lot of people who hate him so much and voted against him rather than voting FOR Harris/Biden may look back fondly at 4 years without thousands of US troops losing their lives at the expense of millions of civilians in the Middle East or elsewhere.

Gatling

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

The warhogs in the establishment (democrats /republicans) must be thrilled about this band getting back together. I'm not talking about one party here, I'm on about the US invading other countries under the guise of being the police force of the world and profiting from it.

Undeniably Trump has his flaws but a lot of people who hate him so much and voted against him rather than voting FOR Harris/Biden may look back fondly at 4 years without thousands of US troops losing their lives at the expense of millions of civilians in the Middle East or elsewhere.

Markcheese

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may look back fondly at 4 years without thousands of US troops losing their lives at the expense of millions of civilians in the Middle East or elsewhere.[/quote]

That's one way of looking at it I suppose ....
You could look at the record arms sales to the Saudis and UAE, since we're looking at the mode east.
And they do seem to be getting through those bombs ..
Could look at the kurds in northern syria, Shure they're grand ..
You may end up right ...about biden/ haris but should you be righting them off now , before they're even in office ?

Fuzzyduzzy

Markcheese wrote: »

That's one way of looking at it I suppose ....
You could look at the record arms sales to the Saudis and UAE, since we're looking at the mode east.
And they do seem to be getting through those bombs ..
Could look at the kurds in northern syria, Shure they're grand ..
You may end up right ...about biden/ haris but should you be righting them off now , before they're even in office ?

Biden was in office as Vice President for 8 years, along with individuals who are likely to be in his cabinet. The devastation they left in the Middle East was atrocious. Many US companies moved in. There's no profit in peace, although I hope I am wrong and the new administration takes Trump's approach against the military industrial complex.

https://youtu.be/FG9EfHQmYeE