Women Detained, Stripped for Involuntary Medical Check at Doha Airport

s1ippy

Australia demands answers after women taken from Qatar Airways flight and strip-searched (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/australia-demands-answers-after-women-taken-from-qatar-airways-flight-and-strip-searched-1.4391109

I don't give a sh!t how much money they have, that part of the world is clearly populated by neanderthals. I was optimistic that with everything else going on this year, maybe women would not be subjected to treatment like that, but here we are in 2020.

4068ac1elhodqr

All sounds rather barbaric, yet not that surprising in that part of the world.

Spanish Eyes

Any woman who decides to go to these Neanderthal places should have their heads examined before flying.

But getting the impression that one of them had a baby or something. Another thing women should not do. Even though it takes two to tango.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-25/passengers-invasively-searched-qatar-after-report-baby-found/12811716

s1ippy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any woman who decides to go to these Neanderthal places should have their heads examined before flying.

But getting the impression that one of them had a baby or something. Another thing women should not do. Even though it takes two to tango.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-25/passengers-invasively-searched-qatar-after-report-baby-found/12811716

From the Irish Times article it seems they stripped all the women who were on the plane and checked them for signs of having given birth but still didn't find the mother of the abandoned child. I don't know what you're insinuating justifies the invasive behaviour of airport officials.

KevRossi

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any woman who decides to go to these Neanderthal places should have their heads examined before flying.

But getting the impression that one of them had a baby or something. Another thing women should not do. Even though it takes two to tango.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-25/passengers-invasively-searched-qatar-after-report-baby-found/12811716

It was a scheduled stop-over and transfer of a few hours for a lot of the passengers. Most Europe - Oceania flights stop somwhere in the Middle East or countries where women are treated as 2nd and 3rd class citizens, so I'm not sure how you're going to get around that.

Charles Babbage

This all seems rather odd in 2020. Surely a DNA test or suchlike could be used to establish relationship with the child.

ChikiChiki

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any woman who decides to go to these Neanderthal places should have their heads examined before flying.

But getting the impression that one of them had a baby or something. Another thing women should not do. Even though it takes two to tango.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-25/passengers-invasively-searched-qatar-after-report-baby-found/12811716

It's a huge transit hub, the same as Abu Dhabi and Dubai for onwards travel to heaps of destinations in Europe, Asia, Africa and South America.

You can't ask for someone to have their head examined for travel through these countries.

Spanish Eyes

ChikiChiki wrote: »

It's a huge transit hub, the same as Abu Dhabi and Dubai for onwards travel to heaps of destinations in Europe, Asia, Africa and South America.

You can't ask for someone to have their head examined for travel through these countries.

Well I can if women are invaded like this TBH.

Rodney Bathgate

It is fairly easy to avoid these ****holes if you choose to.

s1ippy

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This all seems rather odd in 2020. Surely a DNA test or suchlike could be used to establish relationship with the child.

No, we just strip them and check their undercarriage.

It's their own fault for booking a flight with a stopover??

Oink

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This all seems rather odd in 2020. Surely a DNA test or suchlike could be used to establish relationship with the child.

Yeah but you’d have to give a sh!t about women to do that.
Much easier to tell them to shut up and spread their legs isn’t it.

Fvcking savages. I’m amazed that the Australian government is so polite about it.

Charles Babbage

Oink wrote: »

Yeah but you’d have to give a sh!t about women to do that.
Much easier to tell them to shut up and spread their legs isn’t it.

Fvcking savages. I’m amazed that the Australian government is so polite about it.

Well you have sorted of answered your own question there. Even you don't give a sh!t about woman do you really want the publicity for your airport hub?

Ugly situation with an abandoned new born. The alternative is "Women involuntarily imprisoned in Doha for three days while awaiting DNA test. Australian government raises concern."

I think people should post what they think the authorities should have done. A female doctor checking who gave might have given birth doesn't seem that bad given the pretty extreme circumstances.

Charles Babbage

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This all seems rather odd in 2020. Surely a DNA test or suchlike could be used to establish relationship with the child.

Is that not an invasion of their bodily integrity? The only evidence seemed to be they were female and women have babies so throwing them all in jail, forcibly taking they dna and then waiting for the results is hardly any better

I'm a little saddened that the abandonment of a newborn baby, presumable to die, wasn't considered an important aspect of the story by the op.

"The incident occurred earlier in October at Hamad International Airport after staff discovered an infant, described as a premature baby, “abandoned” in the terminal bathroom."

Such an awful story.

quokula

Strip searches happen routinely in airports all over the world including this country, for far lesser reasons than this. Let's not pretend this thread is anything to do with disagreeing with that policy or caring about the people in question, or the terrible situation of a baby being abandoned. It's just a straightforward dogwhistle thread. It'll be at 50 pages in no time.

Rubberchikken

Maybe better if the full facts were discovered first.
The Irish times is heading the way of the daily mail.

I'm no fan of any middle eastern country and their backward treatment of females but everyone knows that the full story doesn't come out on first telling.

TheRealPONeil

s1ippy wrote: »

Australia demands answers after women taken from Qatar Airways flight and strip-searched (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/australia-demands-answers-after-women-taken-from-qatar-airways-flight-and-strip-searched-1.4391109

I don't give a sh!t how much money they have, that part of the world is clearly populated by neanderthals. I was optimistic that with everything else going on this year, maybe women would not be subjected to treatment like that, but here we are in 2020.

Yep, clearly neanderthals - oh wait, a newsflash from the President of The Free World ... "We are energy independent for first time. We don’t need all of these countries that we had to fight war over because we needed their energy. We are energy independent" - OK men, at ease, as you were.

Ten of Swords

s1ippy wrote: »

that part of the world is clearly populated by neanderthals

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any woman who decides to go to these Neanderthal places should have their heads examined before flying.

Oink wrote: »

Fvcking savages.

If this inflammatory rhetoric continues the thread will be closed. Discuss the topic civilly or don't post

wotzgoingon

It's an airport would it not have cameras everywhere. All they had to do is review the footage of camera close to toilet the baby was found and search for the correct woman. They could even trace where she went after giving birth and what plane she got on.

wotzgoingon

wotzgoingon wrote: »

It's an airport would it not have cameras everywhere. All they had to do is review the footage of camera close to toilet the baby was found and search for the correct woman. They could even trace where she went after giving birth and what plane she got on.

If it was the world's slowest airport and only that woman used the toilet that day.

In reality however it's a busy airport with hundreds of people using that toilet all wearing face coverings and similar robes

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

What do people propose?

How could they have found the mother barring a DNA test and detaining all the people who submitted their samples and only releasing them when they're determined not to be the mother?

Ubbquittious

These countries are well known for their cavity searches and other barbaric practices. Only now it has reached a new level of bizarre.

dundalkfc10

Ubbquittious wrote: »

These countries are well known for their cavity searches and other barbaric practices. Only now it has reached a new level of bizarre.

Our country is known for letting the Church rape and beat Little kids for years and then try cover it up. A few strip searches is mild in the scheme of things

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Would a cavity search for drugs be met with similar levels of outrage?

jam_mac_jam

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Would a cavity search for drugs be met with similar levels of outrage?

Only in certain countries.

strandroad

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

What do people propose?

How could they have found the mother barring a DNA test and detaining all the people who submitted their samples and only releasing them when they're determined not to be the mother?

What would be done if the baby was found on the Eurostar train? Not mass detainment and strip searches of all women I hope.

Sardonicat

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

What do people propose?

How could they have found the mother barring a DNA test and detaining all the people who submitted their samples and only releasing them when they're determined not to be the mother?

Well, strip searching them didn't identify the mother, did it?

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

strandroad wrote: »

What would be done if the baby was found on the Eurostar train? Not mass detainment and strip searches of all women I hope.

That's what I'm asking.

How would countries in this neck of the woods do things?

dundalkfc10

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

That's what I'm asking.

How would countries in this neck of the woods do things?

In Ireland the poor would be either buried in mass graves or dumped into septic tanks.

Sardonicat

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

That's what I'm asking.

How would countries in this neck of the woods do things?

Make an appeal with assurances of medical assistance and support.

Ubbquittious

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Our country is known for letting the Church rape and beat Little kids for years and then try cover it up. A few strip searches is mild in the scheme of things

A lot of that is overblown and it doesn't happen anymore. Now Ireland is #3 in the world for civil liberties. Whereas the towel-heads in Saudi-land are still continuing the codology with much gusto.

strandroad

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

That's what I'm asking.

How would countries in this neck of the woods do things?

Most likely an investigation based on CCTV, newborn DNA, witness testimonials, staff interviews. Reaching out to passengers on the manifest only as a result of the above.
More likely for the mother to be a staff member anyway.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Sardonicat wrote: »

Make an appeal with assurances of medical assistance and support.

If a father dumped an innocent baby on a piss soaked floor would you be as understanding?

If a man abdicated his responsibility and abandoned the mother would you offer support and understanding?

I await your reply.

Ubbquittious

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

That's what I'm asking.

How would countries in this neck of the woods do things?

There would be a public appeal for someone to come forward and if nobody does the child would go into the system, hopefully a nice crowd will adopt them or else they will bounce around from one foster family to another becoming a ferocious tear-away and troublemaker in the process

dundalkfc10

Ubbquittious wrote: »

A lot of that is overblown and it doesn't happen anymore. Now Ireland is #3 in the world for civil liberties. Whereas the towel-heads in Saudi-land are still continuing the codology with much gusto.

Overblown?

Who gives a **** if it never happens anymore.

The state tried to cover up for the Church

kathleen37

Deleted User wrote: »

. A female doctor checking who gave might have given birth doesn't seem that bad given the pretty extreme circumstances.

Really? Let me take a wild guess that you're not a woman.

How would you feel if you were taken off a plane and a male doctor carried out an internal exam on your undercarriage for a reason you weren't even told of?

Doesn't seem that bad?

dundalkfc10

Ubbquittious wrote: »

A lot of that is overblown and it doesn't happen anymore. Now Ireland is #3 in the world for civil liberties. Whereas the towel-heads in Saudi-land are still continuing the codology with much gusto.

Towel-heads, that's disgusting

dundalkfc10

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Overblown?

Who gives a **** if it never happens anymore.

The state tried to cover up for the Church

Cool. I agree. But that's not what this thread is about.

joseywhales

How does one give birth in a public bathroom without any witness. Did she manage to do it completely silently? Seems unlikely. Noone noticed her entering or leaving? She was in labour, I'm amazed she pulled it off but even more amazed that noone noticed. Seems implausible. In all likelyhood there were screams embryonic fluid and blood and a visibly shattered woman.

osarusan

That the airport security considered they had the authority to do what they did gives an insight into gender and power relationships in that part of the world.

Bizarre situation, and one that the security probably didn't have a set plan for, but an awful decision made in the heat of the moment. Surely at least one person would have realised it was going to be a scandal.

Ubbquittious

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Overblown?

Who gives a **** if it never happens anymore.

The state tried to cover up for the Church

They failed though and the practice came to an end. Things changed, talking about it now is only dwelling on the past. Whereas in Qatar bad things are still ongoing, a problem that still needs to be fixed

Sardonicat

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

If a father dumped an innocent baby on a piss soaked floor would you be as understanding?

If a man abdicated his responsibility and abandoned the mother would you offer support and understanding?

I await your reply.

So when these things happen here and this is the official response (appeals to a person who has just given birth and could be in need of urgent medical help, BTW) you don't agree with that approach?

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Sardonicat wrote: »

So when these things happen here and this is the official response (appeals to a person who has just given birth and could be in need of urgent medical help, BTW) you don't agree with that approach?

If a man did it he'd be jailed.

The child should be adopted by a loving family, the mother should be jailed.

Sardonicat

joseywhales wrote: »

How does one give birth in a public bathroom without any witness. Did she manage to do it completely silently? Seems unlikely. Noone noticed her entering or leaving? She was in labour, I'm amazed she pulled it off but even more amazed that noone noticed. Seems implausible. In all likelyhood there were screams embryonic fluid and blood and a visibly shattered woman.

Have a look at our own recent past. Plenty of stories of young women giving birth in bathrooms, bedrooms and garden sheds while no one else in the house noticed. The other possibility is that someone, not necessarily the mother brought the poor child to the airport and left it there.

Sardonicat

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

If a man did it he'd be jailed.

The child should be adopted by a loving family, the mother should be jailed.

You know nothing about who gave birth to this baby or her circumstances. She could be a child herself. She could have beeen forced by someone to conceal her pregnancy and abandon her child. She could be in complete shock having delivered prematurely and unexpectedly. Yes, it could be a case of callous abandonement, but given the extreme and horrific reality of delivering a child alone, that wouldn't be the first conclusion I would make and the fact you can't see any circumstances where someone would do this under duress and distress says a lot about your opinion of women.

I've one name for you to look up: Ann Lovett. Would you have criminalised her had she survived?

Jeff2

Would it have been possibly to do a urine test to find who was pregnant.

I'm not sure but wouldn't it still show up positive. ?

dundalkfc10

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Our country is known for letting the Church rape and beat Little kids for years and then try cover it up. A few strip searches is mild in the scheme of things

We've moved on now.... Their mums get free houses and the kids get scramblers & terrorise their neighbours.

Pkiernan

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

If a man did it he'd be jailed.

The child should be adopted by a loving family, the mother should be jailed.

Are you a cleric affiliated with a middle Eastern religion?

Ten of Swords

Ubbquittious wrote: »

the towel-heads in Saudi-land

Threadbanned

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kathleen37

kathleen37 wrote: »

Really? Let me take a wild guess that you're not a woman.

How would you feel if you were taken off a plane and a male doctor carried out an internal exam on your undercarriage for a reason you weren't even told of?

Doesn't seem that bad?

I said considering the extreme circumstances. Every way of handling it is bad. If you think the airport shouldn't look for the mother, that's fine. Every "solution" is gray and is pretty much as valid as the others.