FBI Thwarted another assassination plot - this time against Joe Biden

Overheal

https://www.tmz.com/2020/10/22/joe-biden-targeted-assassination-plot-north-carolina-man-guns-explosives/?fbclid=IwAR2jbjZqj1BwcqYXn8XY-zi3iEj4A2sb_Y7Wfa-78sz_g_veS-YyPE-pefU

This is coming out now because the FBI is trying to keep the suspect locked up ahead of trial for child pornography charges. In the appeal the FBI said the man (in addition to the child pornography) made significant preparations to assassinate Joe Biden as well as carry out a mass shooting at a shopping mall food court on Black Friday or Christmas Day.

in docs, obtained by TMZ, the feds say back in May they found Treisman's van filled with guns and explosives ... from an AR-15 style rifle and a Taurus .380 caliber handgun to a canister of the explosive material Tannerite. What's more ... the feds say Treisman had $509k in U.S. currency, books about survival and bomb-making and drawings of swastikas and planes crashing into buildings.

The feds also say they uncovered driver's licenses from 3 different states. According to docs ... Treisman's Internet searches between March and May 2020 also included information about Biden's home address and night-vision goggles, among other things.

This is actually the 2nd assassination plot thwarted by the FBI this year alone against Joe Biden. A Maryland man was also arrested for plotting to kidnap, beat, and sodomize Joe Biden and Kamala Harris on National TV

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/maryland-man-arrested-over-plot-to-kidnap-beat-sodomize-and-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-on-national-tv/

But I suppose we will never know what their politics were will we :rolleyes:

RWCNT

Overheal wrote: »

But I suppose we will never know what their politics were will we :rolleyes:

BLM/Antifa no doubt.

ohnonotgmail

the scary part is that the tannerite was purchased legally.

Donald Trump

There are good people on both sides












(But seriously, how mental do you have to be to think that you would be able to pull off kidnapping and sodomizing and executing a presidential candidate and his running mate live on national TV!)

Urquell

Donald Trump wrote: »

kidnapping and sodomizing and executing a presidential candidate and his running mate live on national TV

Not going to lie ... if that was Pay-per-view, Id sign right up.

ChikiChiki

Urquell wrote: »

Not going to lie ... if that was Pay-per-view, Id sign right up.

See a counsellor.

RWCNT

spook_cook wrote: »

Like the guy who made a terrorist attack on an ICE centre last year, or the mass shooting attempted assasination of multiple GOP politicians in 2017, I fail to see what your point is.

Plots of terror come from all political sides and none. That you're attempting to make hay on yours is pretty funny.

But let me guess, it's only people with different politics to you who are violent. Right? Funny that.

Yes, but strands of extreme right wing ideology are responsible for a large majority of domestic terrorism in the states. The data supports this - https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states.

mynamejeff

Aw a tmz the real source of news you can trust ……

ohnonotgmail

mynamejeff wrote: »

Aw a tmz the real source of news you can trust ……

would you prefer Fox News? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/man-arrested-in-north-carolina-had-van-full-of-guns-explosives-planned-to-assassinate-joe-biden-report

Donald Trump

Urquell wrote: »

Donald Trump wrote:

kidnapping and sodomizing and executing a presidential candidate and his running mate live on national TV!

Not going to lie ... if that was Pay-per-view, Id sign right up.

I don't think I'd go that far.......but I can tell you that some of them would be quite happy to chip in to pay to be pissed on live on TV by hookers in a Moscow hotel

Donald Trump

ChikiChiki wrote: »

See a counsellor.

Ah leave the poor fella alone. If he'd want to pay to see any form of sexytime with DT then who are you to judge him! :pac:

RWCNT

spook_cook wrote: »

Cool, in this context nothing after a "but" is usually worth reading so I'll leave it there.

:D

In other words, I'm telling you something you don't want to hear so you're sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "La, la, la".

Really odd behaviour to jump into a thread about what appears to be a far right terrorist to pull some "whataboutery" to deflect from the terrorist's political motivations, and now you don't want to hear about any evidence of these positions being associated with the majority of domestic terrorism in the country in question. Seems as though you have some sympathies with those positions.

CtevenSrowder

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.tmz.com/2020/10/22/joe-biden-targeted-assassination-plot-north-carolina-man-guns-explosives/?fbclid=IwAR2jbjZqj1BwcqYXn8XY-zi3iEj4A2sb_Y7Wfa-78sz_g_veS-YyPE-pefU

This is coming out now because the FBI is trying to keep the suspect locked up ahead of trial for child pornography charges. In the appeal the FBI said the man (in addition to the child pornography) made significant preparations to assassinate Joe Biden as well as carry out a mass shooting at a shopping mall food court on Black Friday or Christmas Day.



This is actually the 2nd assassination plot thwarted by the FBI this year alone against Joe Biden. A Maryland man was also arrested for plotting to kidnap, beat, and sodomize Joe Biden and Kamala Harris on National TV

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/maryland-man-arrested-over-plot-to-kidnap-beat-sodomize-and-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-on-national-tv/

But I suppose we will never know what their politics were will we :rolleyes:

Well the last thread you started about kidnapping, the people's politics seemed more aligned with anti-fa, or anarchy, then what you were initially hoping for. Maybe this time these terrorists will be more to your liking: white and right-wing.

Outlaw Pete

spook_cook wrote: »

Plots of terror come from all political sides and none. That you're attempting to make hay on yours is pretty funny.

But let me guess, it's only people with different politics to you who are violent. Right? Funny that.

Reminds of this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1230573658768379910

RWCNT

spook_cook wrote: »

I guess making up stuff in your head is a fun activity.

You tell me then. There's clearly something motivating your need to chip in and bring up corresponding violence motivated by another political position, and refusing to engage with evidence that the opposite position is responsible for the majority of domestic terrorism in the country being discussed. What is that?

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Well the last thread you started about kidnapping, the people's politics seemed more aligned with anti-fa, or anarchy, then what you were initially hoping for. Maybe this time these terrorists will be more to your liking: white and right-wing.

No, they also appeared to be a far right group. Being anti-police or anti-government isn't exclusive to "anti-fa". There are far right groups like the Boogaloo Bois (laugh every time I see that name) that consider themselves anarchists in an extreme libertarian sense. The accused ring-leader Adam Fox's boss described him as "anti-police, anti-government. He was afraid if he didn’t stand up for the Second Amendment and his rights that the country is going to go communism and socialism".

excludedbin

Gotta love Boards where right wingers can do no wrong and left wingers can do no right.

spook_cook wrote: »

Sorry for pointing out the terrorism on the other political side.

Good because it's not relevant to the subject of this thread and people like you only bring it up because you just can't condemn right wing violence without mealy-mouthed equivocations.

No, don't start mewling about "people like you", you know damn well what I mean by it.

a loon acting on his own mad theories

Except they're not just "his own", are they? They're mad theories that're shared with gusto in right wing circles online; on this very bloody site even. Or, to use a more accurate term, right wing terrorists are being radicalised online in right wing echo chambers.

Islamist terrorism is proof positive that all Muslims are slavering maniacs but every single instance of right wing terror (never mind that Islamism is a conservative ideology...) has to be taken in isolation. They're all lone wolves with mental problems because right wingers can never, ever be expected to take some goddamn responsibility for the violence their ideology breeds.

fly_agaric

spook_cook wrote: »

Should a loon acting on his own mad theories...

Have to say I loled. That is often a muslim response to acts of violence by Islamic extremists, just isolated loonies acting on their own madness ah well! Nothing to do with some underlying issues in our religion. It is fairly bogus & a response that is often derided by the right/conservatives in the US or UK but I suppose a handy one to pull out of the bag in extremis.

CtevenSrowder

RWCNT wrote: »

No, they also appeared to be a far right group. Being anti-police or anti-government isn't exclusive to "anti-fa". There are far right groups like the Boogaloo Bois (laugh every time I see that name) that consider themselves anarchists in an extreme libertarian sense. The accused ring-leader Adam Fox's boss described him as "anti-police, anti-government. He was afraid if he didn’t stand up for the Second Amendment and his rights that the country is going to go communism and socialism".

If they are 'anarchists in an extreme libertarian sense' then they aren't right-wing, whether that be far-right or not.

randd1

Donald Trump wrote: »

(But seriously, how mental do you have to be to think that you would be able to pull off kidnapping and sodomizing and executing a presidential candidate and his running mate live on national TV!)

I suspect, though I have no actual proof, that abiding by a rational reality is not that persons strongest attribute.

That being said, what is scary is that he would have been able to make the plans, get the equipment and tried to carry them out had he not been found out.

What's even scarier is that their would be plenty in the US willing to make excuses for him, or actually cheer him on, had he gotten to the point of trying.

CtevenSrowder

randd1 wrote: »

I suspect, though I have no actual proof, that abiding by a rational reality is not that persons strongest attribute.

That being said, what is scary is that he would have been able to make the plans, get the equipment and tried to carry them out had he not been found out.

What's even scarier is that their would be plenty in the US willing to make excuses for him, or actually cheer him on, had he gotten to the point of trying.

You think a guy shooting up a shopping centre on Christmas day would've had 'plenty' of people cheering him on? I think you are talking nonsense.

RWCNT

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

If they are 'anarchists in an extreme libertarian sense' then they aren't right-wing, whether that be far-right or not.

I said "consider themselves". I don't agree that they are anarchists, but some choose to describe themselves as such. Are you not familiar with the concept of the libertarian right?

spook_cook wrote: »

What motivates me? Sorry but seeing such a lazy, poorly linked story of some loon targeting a US politician with a big nod-and-a-wink that it's Drumpf's fault is begging for it.

Sorry for pointing out the terrorism on the other political side. Doesn't fit. If Drumpf etc own this, do Bernie and AOC and others own the violence they've inspired?

Is the majority of terror from "right" wing sources? Sure, fine? Am I gonna read a study in order to debate with it? No, fk that.

Should a loon acting on his own mad theories impact how I or you, should vote? You'd need your head re-attached if your answer is anything but a firm No.

Thanks for explaining. I don't see the "wink and a nod" here, neither the OP or the two articles linked mentions Trump. You are right though, there are often attempts to link these sorts of antics with Trump which can be incorrect. He doesn't help himself with his "stand back, stand by" type comments, god bless him.

I agree that the antics of extremists should have no impact on who we vote for or identify politically - I don't see the antics of extremists as having anything to do with normal people on either side. This is why I find it puzzling that anyone feels the need to bring up the "both sides" talking point when we're talking about violent extremists, it comes across as defensive, which I see no need for as the extremes are not representative of that political perspective.

randd1

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

You think a guy shooting up a shopping centre on Christmas day would've had 'plenty' of people cheering him on? I think you are talking nonsense.

You’re completely naive or willfully ignorant if you don’t think there are plenty in America who would cheer him on.

CtevenSrowder

RWCNT wrote: »

I said "consider themselves". I don't agree that they are anarchists, but some choose to describe themselves as such. Are you not familiar with the concept of the libertarian right?

Why do you not see them as such? Would it be because it is more convenient to few them as being on the right? The Department of Homeland security doesn't few them as being on the right.

https://twitter.com/dhsgov/status/1274404688276754434?lang=en

CtevenSrowder

randd1 wrote: »

You’re completely naive or willfully ignorant if you don’t think there are plenty in America who would cheer him on.

Yes I can picture it now. People across America waving their Flag, singing the Star Spangled Banner, cheering on their latest hero who has just shot up a food market on Christmas Day. I think it's you who is ignorant.

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Well the last thread you started about kidnapping, the people's politics seemed more aligned with anti-fa, or anarchy, then what you were initially hoping for. Maybe this time these terrorists will be more to your liking: white and right-wing.

Haven’t seen any Antifa demonstrations going after Gov Whitmer so I don’t follow you.

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Reminds of this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1230573658768379910

Ah yes that mass shooter who was inspired by all that violent rhetoric of Bernies. :rolleyes:

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Why do you not see them as such? Would it be because it is more convenient to few them as being on the right? The Department of Homeland security doesn't few them as being on the right.

https://twitter.com/dhsgov/status/1274404688276754434?lang=en

What an unusual tweet from a US agency. Has the hallmarks of Trumps control over social media. Reminds me how he manipulated the NOAA to tweeting support of Sharpiegate:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-hurricane-idUSKBN23N06K

CtevenSrowder

Overheal wrote: »

What an unusual tweet from a US agency. Has the hallmarks of Trumps control over social media. Reminds me how he manipulated the NOAA to tweeting support of Sharpiegate:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-hurricane-idUSKBN23N06K

Why, because they corrected the record? Again, you just want these people to fit into a certain, politically convenient box for yourself.

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Why, because they corrected the record? Again, you just want these people to fit into a certain, politically convenient box for yourself.

Because it’s highly irregular for a US agency to tweet jabs at news outlets for political reporting. They are meant to be nonpartisan agencies.

fly_agaric

spook_cook wrote: »

This is a particularly stupid thing to come out on an Irish board. Ask your parents about "not all Irish" during the madness unleashed a few decades ago. Ask your relatives who lived in the UK.

Tarring a whole group with whatever bs your shoving is long a sign of an arshole or moron.

You're protesting a bit much with your calling poster(s) "arseholes" and "morons" I think.

You piped up to offer your own both-sides opinions on US politics about "the guy who made a terrorist attack on an ICE centre last year, or the mass shooting attempted assasination of multiple GOP politicians in 2017" etc

Irish republicanism as an ideology definitely had a problem with legitimising/excusing violence in the name of the cause back then.
My parents thought the same.
That is not tarring all Irish people with the brush of being terrorist sympathisers, [nor was my comment tarring "all muslims" with being terrorist sympathisers].

CtevenSrowder

Overheal wrote: »

Because it’s highly irregular for a US agency to tweet jabs at news outlets for political reporting. They are meant to be nonpartisan agencies.

It's incorrect political reporting. And their isn't anything partisan about what they said. In fact it is correct, Americans trust in their media is around 40%, and a large problem is due to the inaccuracy and bias in reporting across the political divide.

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

It's incorrect political reporting. And their isn't anything partisan about what they said. In fact it is correct, Americans trust in their media is around 40%, and a large problem is due to the inaccuracy and bias in reporting across the political divide.

If they’re nonpartisan where are their tweets correcting inaccurate statements from the right?

CtevenSrowder

Overheal wrote: »

If they’re nonpartisan where are their tweets correcting inaccurate statements from the right?

Such as?

You do realise you sound very Trumpian at the moment, trying to delegitimise a government body because it doesn't suit your political Worldview.

RWCNT

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Why do you not see them as such? Would it be because it is more convenient to few them as being on the right? The Department of Homeland security doesn't few them as being on the right.

https://twitter.com/dhsgov/status/1274404688276754434?lang=en

As I've said, I don't conflate the extreme ends of the political spectrum with the left or right as a whole, so it's not convenient to me whether they're left, right or centre. The fact they exist alone is an inconvenience.

My impression of the Boogaloo Bois (still can't cope with this name) as extreme right wing rather than extreme left wing is made up of lots of little components really - the term "boogaloo" originated on the /k/ board of 4chan - hardly a bastion of the hard left, they emphasised protection of private property during the George Floyd protests - the far left wouldn't be famous for a love of property rights. The Middlebury Center on Terrorism, Extremism, and Counterterrorism have done some writing on this you might enjoy reading - https://www.middlebury.edu/institute/academics/centers-initiatives/ctec/ctec-publications-0/boogaloo-movement-wants-be-seen-anti-racist

Strange tweet from the DHS - a government agency using language like "mainstream media" has an odd feel to it. The DHS have been accused of trying to downplay right wing extremist threat in the past - interesting story about former DHS analyst Darl Johnson here - https://www.wired.com/2012/08/dhs/. He has accused them of "playing politics" with this tweet.

If you believe their assertion that the group is made up of both far left and far right then why do you think the chaps who plotted to kidnap that governor's ideology lines up with the far left Antifa?

Overheal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Such as?

Calling Antifa/BLM a terrorist organization for one.

excludedbin

spook_cook wrote: »

Up your hole. I mean that, right up your hole.

No thanks, I have much higher standards.

Leaving aside very, very limited situations, there is no justication for violence against anyone imo. How dare you say put words in my mouth.

Your words are right there:

spook_cook wrote: »

Plots of terror come from all political sides and none. That you're attempting to make hay on yours is pretty funny.

You brought that up, apropos of nothing. You had to try to drag attention away from the subject. So, I drew the only logical, reasonable conclusion from that. Especially given that it's a very common tactic among the right on Boards. As soon as a news story that makes them look bad breaks, they descend to try and drag the thread away from acknowledging it.

Did you type this one handed?

Did you really miss the obvious sarcasm that the second part of that sentence indicated? I suppose it's easy to completely misrepresent someone for a LE EPIC ONE LINER XD when you quote only part of a sentence without the full context.

sunnib

Plots of terror come from all political sides and none.

As long as they don't come from pazifists -