Are many people being overly self indulgent in terms of the depression/gloom?

Cluedo Monopoly

Obviously there are many many people who are being heavily impacted by Covid19 and it cannot be easy for those people. Financial impacts, Services impacts, Healthcare impacts, Employment impacts, Bereavement etc.

But it strikes me that many other people have been relatively unaffected and yet are being overly self indulgent on the depression/gloom stakes and woe-is-me rhetoric. Especially on social media. They are showing a distinct lack of resilience and fortitude.

The media and George Lee types are certainly selling the wartime-like doom and gloom and maybe many people have bought into that a bit too much even if it's not always warranted. Others have nearly welcomed the new slower way of life but probably wont admit it.

I listened to someone the other day saying he was really annoyed that he couldn't go to the cinema anymore. That he really missed it. Giving out about the Bond movie being pushed out to 2021 etc. Maybe that would have been a major lifestyle change in times gone by but now people have massive TVs and Netflix and Sky and whatever else. And you can buy popcorn anywhere. It's not the end of the world.

Others were bemoaning the restaurants closing and yet they can order Italian, Indian, Chinese, Burger/Chips from more outlets than ever.

Soon people will be panicking about the retail shops closing when they can satisfy their consumerism online. I am not sure those same people have much empathy for the business owners or their staff who are taking the real hit. No retail therapy for them.

I guess for those people that kept their jobs (and possibly the luxury of work-from-home) and their family members are healthy/safe, there really shouldn't be much to get down about.

NPHET are being overly self-indulgent, not a chance one single member will find ever themselves compromised on the PUP. While they inflict hundreds of thousands of involuntary job losses. There are also a few corners of the public sector that are untouchable. The rest of us are forced to scramble by.

And I have little sympathy for the whinge baskets who can work from home with salaries unimpacted.

Many people are overly self indulgent in any circumstances.

It's just now they are all focused on covid.

Remember when everyone was happy and getting on with things before 2020?

Yeah, me neither.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

NPHET are being overly self-indulgent, not a chance one single member will find ever themselves compromised on the PUP. While they inflict hundreds of thousands of involuntary job losses. There are also a few corners of the public sector that are untouchable. The rest of us are forced to scramble by.

You understand that covid is an actual thing that has happened to the world, right?

It wasn't invented by our public health body to upset you

beauf

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Obviously there are many many people who are being heavily impacted by Covid19 and it cannot be easy for those people. Financial impacts, Services impacts, Healthcare impacts, Employment impacts, Bereavement etc.

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I guess for those people that kept their jobs (and possibly the luxury of work-from-home) and their family members are healthy/safe, there really shouldn't be much to get down about.

Some people are more effected by the lack of social contact than others. Especially older people, though it can be at any age. They are basically depressed.

Cluedo Monopoly

beauf wrote: »

Some people are more effected by the lack of social contact than others. Especially older people, though it can be at any age. They are basically depressed.

Yes you are right. I know this to be true. I think many people are doing their best to help older people by calling to chat to them (outside & distanced obviously) and dropping in shopping etc. Especially in rural areas.

is_that_so

beauf wrote: »

Some people are more effected by the lack of social contact than others. Especially older people, though it can be at any age. They are basically depressed.

Chatting to someone who works in a care home, a few weeks back and they said that a lot of the residents were depressed.

Kermit.de.frog

is_that_so wrote: »

Chatting to someone who works in a care home, a few weeks back and they said that a lot of the residents were depressed.

We are in the middle of a pandemic where older people are particularly vulnerable.

The only way to protect them is restrict visits.

There is no other way. So your point about depression is moot. All that can be done is keep them as comfortable and active as possible.

I kept my job and can work from home, but I lost my mother. If given a choice, I know which I would rather have lost.

I am sorry and have sympathy for those who have lost jobs / income. But they are receiving financial help and new jobs will be found. The economy will recover.

I guess it depends on your perspective. Burying someone you love before their time and not allowed to have a proper funeral to see them on their way will colour your perspective.

The thing that is depressing me is other people's lax attitude towards Covid, usually by those who believe themselves invulnerable to it or that its "just a mild flu."

Some one mentioned people n care homes being depressed, of course they are. Because they can't see their loved ones, and why not? Because of other people being irresponsible idiots who think they can do what they like and ignore the restrictions. Refuse to wear masks.

I cried my eyes out when I heard of the deaths in a nursing home this week. These people are thee most vulnerable of all, and I don't care if some people think "oh, they're going to die soon anyway" that their lives are worth gambling with for the sake of saving jobs.

Probably some ****wit who'd been at a houseparty the weekend before then visited a relative who carried Covid back into that nursing home.

is_that_so

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We are in the middle of a pandemic where older people are particularly vulnerable.

The only way to protect them is restrict visits.

There is no other way. So your point about depression is moot. All that can be done is keep them as comfortable and active as possible.

Aye, wait till you get to that point so they can make you feel comfortable. What an utterly crass condescending post!

Kermit.de.frog

is_that_so wrote: »

Aye, wait till you get to that point so they can make you feel comfortable. What an utterly crass condescending post!

Well, what's your solution then? Just keep visits going is it?

pgj2015

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Well, what's your solution then? Just keep visits going is it?

what about let them visit and chat behind a perspex window?

Kermit.de.frog

pgj2015 wrote: »

what about let them visit and chat behind a perspex window?

Aren't some already doing that?

The question is whether that is also a risk too far for something that will go through a nursing home like wildfire in the context of how rampant the virus now is in the community. The health professionals are best placed to decide that. People should wait and see what they decide.

pgj2015

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Aren't some already doing that?

The question is whether that is also a risk too far for something that will go through a nursing home like wildfire in the context of how rampant the virus now is in the community. The health professionals are best placed to decide that. People should wait and see what they decide.

im not sure if they are or not to be honest.

you would imagine it could be done safely.

salamiii

Of the cases notified today:
651 are women / 628 are men
68% are under 45 years of age
The median age is 31 years old
The counties with the highest cases are:
408 in Dublin
156 in Cork
88 in Kildare
80 in Meath
55 in Limerick
the remaining 496 cases are spread across 21 counties.

pgj2015

salamiii wrote: »

Of the cases notified today:
651 are women / 628 are men
68% are under 45 years of age
The median age is 31 years old
The counties with the highest cases are:
408 in Dublin
156 in Cork
88 in Kildare
80 in Meath
55 in Limerick
the remaining 496 cases are spread across 21 counties.

What has that got to do with this thread?

Ellie2008

I realise it’s a first world problem but WFH is not all it’s cracked up to be. I find my job hugely stressful & hate that I can’t see my team in person to talk through points. I also at times feel very lonely.

beauf

pgj2015 wrote: »

What has that got to do with this thread?

I assume the implication is people in that 68% will bring it into their parents and relations, and older neighbours. Not that there was any need to be cryptic about it.

beauf

Ellie2008 wrote: »

I realise it’s a first world problem but WFH is not all it’s cracked up to be. I find my job hugely stressful & hate that I can’t see my team in person to talk through points. I also at times feel very lonely.

That also an issue for many. I think its mistake to under estimate the impact.

eastie17

beauf wrote: »

That also an issue for many. I think its mistake to under estimate the impact.

Plus there’s a bit of an element of being trapped where ever u are, very difficult to even consider moving to a different job as long as covid is around

Sardonicat

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We are in the middle of a pandemic where older people are particularly vulnerable.

The only way to protect them is restrict visits.

There is no other way. So your point about depression is moot. All that can be done is keep them as comfortable and active as possible.

Gotta agree with this. Though I can understand how unbearable it must be for someone in a nursing home who is still lucid but frail enough to require nursing home care wondering if they will outlive this pandemic and get to touch their children and grandchildren, see their remaining siblings etc. It really is devastating for them.

Rodin

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Obviously there are many many people who are being heavily impacted by Covid19 and it cannot be easy for those people. Financial impacts, Services impacts, Healthcare impacts, Employment impacts, Bereavement etc.

But it strikes me that many other people have been relatively unaffected and yet are being overly self indulgent on the depression/gloom stakes and woe-is-me rhetoric. Especially on social media. They are showing a distinct lack of resilience and fortitude.

The media and George Lee types are certainly selling the wartime-like doom and gloom and maybe many people have bought into that a bit too much even if it's not always warranted. Others have nearly welcomed the new slower way of life but probably wont admit it.

I listened to someone the other day saying he was really annoyed that he couldn't go to the cinema anymore. That he really missed it. Giving out about the Bond movie being pushed out to 2021 etc. Maybe that would have been a major lifestyle change in times gone by but now people have massive TVs and Netflix and Sky and whatever else. And you can buy popcorn anywhere. It's not the end of the world.

Others were bemoaning the restaurants closing and yet they can order Italian, Indian, Chinese, Burger/Chips from more outlets than ever.

Soon people will be panicking about the retail shops closing when they can satisfy their consumerism online. I am not sure those same people have much empathy for the business owners or their staff who are taking the real hit. No retail therapy for them.

I guess for those people that kept their jobs (and possibly the luxury of work-from-home) and their family members are healthy/safe, there really shouldn't be much to get down about.

"Anxiety" is cool these days...

People need to toughen up. We indulge them too much.
The anxious should go to a 3rd world country for a bit of perspective

Ellie2008

Rodin wrote: »

"Anxiety" is cool these days...

People need to toughen up. We indulge them too much.
The anxious should go to a 3rd world country for a bit of perspective

I’ve suffered from anxiety for years, there’s nothing cool about it, it’s destroyed my life & negatively impacted those around me.

Cluedo Monopoly

Ellie2008 wrote: »

I realise it’s a first world problem but WFH is not all it’s cracked up to be. I find my job hugely stressful & hate that I can’t see my team in person to talk through points. I also at times feel very lonely.

It' s a fair point. I don't know anything about you but I would recommend leaving your job if you find it very stressful. Maybe not during covid but as soon as you can. Stress can have major health impacts if not addressed. And health is wealth.

mohawk

Ellie2008 wrote: »

I realise it’s a first world problem but WFH is not all it’s cracked up to be. I find my job hugely stressful & hate that I can’t see my team in person to talk through points. I also at times feel very lonely.

I won’t dismiss it as a first world problem completely because loneliness is not good for your health. Some health experts have said it’s as bad as smoking 20 cigarettes a day.

rob316

Rodin wrote: »

"Anxiety" is cool these days...

People need to toughen up. We indulge them too much.
The anxious should go to a 3rd world country for a bit of perspective

It ain't cool I've suffered with it my whole life and it's rife in my family. Don't be acting the internet hardman

Rrrrrr2

Rodin wrote: »

"Anxiety" is cool these days...

People need to toughen up. We indulge them too much.
The anxious should go to a 3rd world country for a bit of perspective

Don’t worry with the way this ****eshow is going “The anxious” won’t even have to leave to get it

screamer

I find Irish people are more drawn to misery than optimism generally. There are exceptions but few and far between. A lot of people only love to bitch and moan and complain about things, they’d never think how can I change something for the better, and these types of people bring everyone around them down.
Now I will concede, this whole covid19 thing has been hard on us all. 2020 has been a horrible year, devoid of normality, and it just seems to trundle on.
There are definitely people whose mental health has suffered and continues to, and I can only imagine how much harder it is for them.
Still, personally I get on with things. I get a bit down in myself that there’s no end in sight yet, but I take comfort that I haven’t been very badly affected by it. I don’t really care about loneliness as I’ve my kids and family, and I just keep trying to do my best to protect us from covid, and I keep in mind, we’ll get through this, it will end, we just have to hang in there.

osarusan

screamer wrote: »

I find Irish people are more drawn to misery than optimism generally.

"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through temporary periods of joy.'' (WB Yeats)

pgj2015

Ellie2008 wrote: »

I realise it’s a first world problem but WFH is not all it’s cracked up to be. I find my job hugely stressful & hate that I can’t see my team in person to talk through points. I also at times feel very lonely.

The way to look at it is there are people who have it way tougher than you.

I just saw a youtube video about a prisoner who has been locked up since 1974.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-most-dangerous-prisoner-entombed-22559359

Kermit.de.frog

Sardonicat wrote: »

Gotta agree with this. Though I can understand how unbearable it must be for someone in a nursing home who is still lucid but frail enough to require nursing home care wondering if they will outlive this pandemic and get to touch their children and grandchildren, see their remaining siblings etc. It really is devastating for them.

Yes, it is very hard on them. It's a very unfortunate situation.

There are no other options to protect nursing homes other than restrict visits.

You have posters here who want it both ways "isn't it terrible some are depressed by the actions of the authorities", same posters would slam the authorities for major outbreaks in nursing homes.

There is no other option currently. Our oldest are highly vulnerable, they have to be protected.

Sardonicat

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yes, it is very hard on them. It's a very unfortunate situation.

There are no other options to protect nursing homes other than restrict visits.

You have posters here who want it both ways "isn't it terrible some are depressed by the actions of the authorities", same posters would slam the authorities for major outbreaks in nursing homes.

There is no other option currently. Our oldest are highly vulnerable, they have to be protected.

Oh, I know. I'm a carer and I've locked the front door. No one is allowed in ATM. That goes for my fiancé, too. A few weeks ago I was getting earache from people telling me I was being cruel not bringing Dad out for a meal and a pint. I had siblings sneering at me for insisting they keep 2 metres from him and wear a mask. As you say, people want it both ways. And they want restrictions but not ones they have to follow. This is why we are in this mess. Our health service is on the verge of toppling ( I witnessed this first hand this week) and that will effect everyone.

Ellie2008

pgj2015 wrote: »

The way to look at it is there are people who have it way tougher than you.

I just saw a youtube video about a prisoner who has been locked up since 1974.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-most-dangerous-prisoner-entombed-22559359

I know you are trying to be helpful but I’m obviously 100% aware that people have it way tougher than me. I cant go into detail about what I do but it has an impact on people & I worry about that. So I’m not in a position to shrug it off with it could be worse for me, it’s not about that.

completedit

What are you saying?

Honestly, human existence is suffering. That was true before covid. It is true during covid and it will be true after it has gone.

But in the midst of this suffering, we have our up moments. Whether it be going to a game, heading to the cinema or heading for a night on the town or just being able to look forward to something.

What are you actually saying in your original post? That people when presented with a life devoid of social interaction should just get over it?

First world problem is such an awful phrase BTW. It's a funny meme phrase to describe everyday modern world annoyances and gripes it's not applicable to being deprived of basic human needs.

douglashyde

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Obviously there are many many people who are being heavily impacted by Covid19 and it cannot be easy for those people. Financial impacts, Services impacts, Healthcare impacts, Employment impacts, Bereavement etc.

But it strikes me that many other people have been relatively unaffected and yet are being overly self indulgent on the depression/gloom stakes and woe-is-me rhetoric. Especially on social media. They are showing a distinct lack of resilience and fortitude.

The media and George Lee types are certainly selling the wartime-like doom and gloom and maybe many people have bought into that a bit too much even if it's not always warranted. Others have nearly welcomed the new slower way of life but probably wont admit it.

I listened to someone the other day saying he was really annoyed that he couldn't go to the cinema anymore. That he really missed it. Giving out about the Bond movie being pushed out to 2021 etc. Maybe that would have been a major lifestyle change in times gone by but now people have massive TVs and Netflix and Sky and whatever else. And you can buy popcorn anywhere. It's not the end of the world.

Others were bemoaning the restaurants closing and yet they can order Italian, Indian, Chinese, Burger/Chips from more outlets than ever.

Soon people will be panicking about the retail shops closing when they can satisfy their consumerism online. I am not sure those same people have much empathy for the business owners or their staff who are taking the real hit. No retail therapy for them.

I guess for those people that kept their jobs (and possibly the luxury of work-from-home) and their family members are healthy/safe, there really shouldn't be much to get down about.

I've 3 friends who have lost there jobs indefinitely. I work with a mix of 6 contractors in a wealthy multinational, 3 if these people are being let on Dec 31s. My friend's son (my godchild) was born a couple of months ago- he hasn't been able to attend appointments.

Myself and my fiancee are to marry this weekend - we're on our 3rd venue and 2nd date due to rolling and changing restrictions. The stress has not been worth getting married with any reception at all.

I've seen entrepreneurs and small businesses who actual drive economic activity and wealth for this country close. See here.
It's very difficult to relight this type of drive in people.

The sensationalist headlines focusing on case numbers and NPHET (who's sole objective is to eliminate COVID) lead to mass public ignorance and fear.

With an infection fatality rate of .23% and .05% for those aged <70 (WHO peer reviewed data) and our career civil servants in NPHET issuing press releases, I can understand why anyone regardless of circumstances would be pissed.

Ande1975

Deleted User wrote: »

I kept my job and can work from home, but I lost my mother. If given a choice, I know which I would rather have lost.

I am sorry and have sympathy for those who have lost jobs / income. But they are receiving financial help and new jobs will be found. The economy will recover.

I guess it depends on your perspective. Burying someone you love before their time and not allowed to have a proper funeral to see them on their way will colour your perspective.

The thing that is depressing me is other people's lax attitude towards Covid, usually by those who believe themselves invulnerable to it or that its "just a mild flu."

Some one mentioned people n care homes being depressed, of course they are. Because they can't see their loved ones, and why not? Because of other people being irresponsible idiots who think they can do what they like and ignore the restrictions. Refuse to wear masks.

I cried my eyes out when I heard of the deaths in a nursing home this week. These people are thee most vulnerable of all, and I don't care if some people think "oh, they're going to die soon anyway" that their lives are worth gambling with for the sake of saving jobs.

Probably some ****wit who'd been at a houseparty the weekend before then visited a relative who carried Covid back into that nursing home.

I am so very sorry for your loss. I can't imagine how difficult it has been for you and your family during the pandemic.
Knowing how hard it is to lose a parent at the best of times, my heart breaks for people losing loved ones this year. You miss out on the important events, ceremonies and support to help you through your grief.
Take care of you.

smck321

[Deleted User] wrote: »

NPHET are being overly self-indulgent, not a chance one single member will find ever themselves compromised on the PUP. While they inflict hundreds of thousands of involuntary job losses. There are also a few corners of the public sector that are untouchable. The rest of us are forced to scramble by.

And I have little sympathy for the whinge baskets who can work from home with salaries unimpacted.

You talk about NPHET as if they invented covid. You are aware they didn't right?

Cluedo Monopoly

I am not sure that people get the purpose of this thread. Was my original post confusing?

Irish Aris

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I am not sure that people get the purpose of this thread. Was my original post confusing?

I guess the way you phrase it could be interpreted differently based on one's circumstances.

It's interesting you mentioned the example of someone complaining about going to the cinema.
For me it would be one of the main entertainment outlets, along with theatre, concerts and playing table tennis. Obviously I understand the necessity of them remaining closed for the time being and I wouldn't complain online, I do miss them though and really looking forward to having them back (hopefully some time next year).
The WFH aspect also had the negative effect of losing the social aspect of being at the office. I live on my own, so my personal prism means that I went from a very socially active lifestyle to one of lots of alone time. I know technology is there but personally I don't find it as meaningful as seeing my friends in the flesh, and the novelty of it has worn thin long ago. Still use it of course, as otherwise I wouldn't have anyone to talk to

I guess to your point of OP, I wouldn't be very quick to judge anyone complaining online, even if it is something really petty. I don't know what these people might be going through behind their trivial "first world" complains, so I reckon some empathy could go a long way under the current circumstances

suicide_circus

I've noticed friends of mine who were determinedly cheery and stoic for the March lockdown have started to let the heads drop a bit now. Hard to maintain that kind of facade when you see yourself back where you were 6 months ago with nothing to show for it.

Sam Quentin

I have to say: they mentioned barbers in possible closures in the upcoming new restrictions,. I personally would support the continued opening of barbers(I mention barbers in particular because it is my only experience)my 'guy' wont take us in for a haircut without an appointment/booking, only myself and himself in the barber shop and he cleans and disinfects between each booking. I must wear a mask. I genuinely don't see a problem!?
Of course it'll be what it will be, I myself only get a haircut every 4 weeks or longer so it probably wont effect me. So just saying.

paw patrol

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

But it strikes me that many other people have been relatively unaffected and yet are being overly self indulgent on the depression/gloom stakes and woe-is-me rhetoric. Especially on social media. They are showing a distinct lack of resilience and fortitude.
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you have described me tbh with the exception of social media. Financially I'm better off and I love wfh in fact i'll be looking at remote work forever if possible.


But I'm also not a dickhead and I can see beyond the hall door. My friends and family are suffering , my mate was over on sat and he is now on PUP again - he has a wife and small kids - why can't I be p1ssed off for him?



Although I'm not in the sh1tter, my life has been impacted - gyms closed and now closed again (i assume) - I miss nights out . My wife and kids activities have been curtailed dramatically. There have limited GAA but the other stuff hasn't happened since march.



I take issue with people who seem to belittle others complaints on the state of Ireland, you may be happy to suffer on but don't project that on us all.