Accused of criminal offence by hotel

Danni21

I'll keep this brief. Mods please move if not in the relevant department. I recently stayed in a hotel. I had several issues which I emailed about but didn't intend on leaving a bad review or anything.

What followed has absolutely blown my mind and left me outraged. The hotel has accused me of putting a shower cap over the smoke detector (yes the one on the ceiling that nobody can reach). They said I was lucky I wasn't being charged etc. I expressed that I was outraged to be accused of such yobbish behaviour and that I absolutely in no uncertain terms did this. The responses I got where so rude and dismissive. I was told they weren't discussing any further. I was told "oh you say you didn't but I have proof". She has a picture of the shower cap over the smoke detector given to her by the house keeping team. That's it. She claims there was a chair in the room that I could have stood on (which there wasn't). She has basically in no uncertain terms called me a liar and said that I have done this. I'm furious to be treated like this and that they think it's acceptable to throw accusations at hotel guests like this.

I really don't want to just leave this lie as I don't think it's acceptable to be accused of such a thing. Anyone have any advice on how I can approach this?

con747

Neither of you can prove anything. Let it go and move on.

GarIT

I don't think putting a shower cap over the smoke detector is a criminal offence. Leave a one star review with your original issues and move on.

argentum

What were the issues with the hotel that you needed to email a complaint about instead of saying something to the staff and did you look for a refund
A hotel cant charge you with anything and I presume that there's nothing in writing anyway
Do you honestly want to take a case against a hotel for this
Was it a certain hotel on The North Circular road by any chance

BorneTobyWilde

They have proof, is that admitting there is a hidden camera above the bed.

punisher5112

Were you smokin

punisher5112

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They have proof, is that admitting there is a hidden camera above the bed.

Its in the smoke detector

Danni21

punisher5112 wrote: »

Were you smokin

No. I don't smoke. Even if I did I would never do something like that. Plus I'm 5 foot so there's no way in hell they could even suggest I could reach up to do that

KaneToad

I'd ignore them. Let them accuse you all they want. If they overstep the mark, take a civil action against them.

You're unlikely to want to stay there again so why bother getting het up over it...

Danni21

argentum wrote: »

What were the issues with the hotel that you needed to email a complaint about instead of saying something to the staff and did you look for a refund
A hotel cant charge you with anything and I presume that there's nothing in writing anyway
Do you honestly want to take a case against a hotel for this
Was it a certain hotel on The North Circular road by any chance

I am studying part time and was assured the room had a desk. It did not. No desk, table or chair. I asked how long the check in would be as I had 10 minutes between arrival and lecture starting. I was told everything would be sorted WiFi etc. No WiFi was given to me. Then the shower temperature tap didn't work so couldn't shower properly. The only reason I stayed was because of my studies and they said they had these facilities I had no time to go to reception during my classes and then I just crashed out and I was running out the door to work the next day so dropped my key. No time to speak to anyone

Padre_Pio

Why do you care?
It has no impact on you, you had other issues with the hotel so probably weren't going to stay there again.

So long as they haven't charged you money it's no more important that a lad shouting at you on the street.
Move on and forget it.

File a GDPR with them and ask for all documentation or video surveillance they have on you and this alleged incident.

If they don't produce the non existent "proof" they'll either have to admit it doesn't exist or if they claim it does but they won't give it to you, you can report them to the DPC.

punisher5112

Danni21 wrote: »

No. I don't smoke. Even if I did I would never do something like that. Plus I'm 5 foot so there's no way in hell they could even suggest I could reach up to do that

Sorry I was only joking. I understand, seems very strange, most likely previous person was there before you done it.

Danni21

punisher5112 wrote: »

Sorry I was only joking. I understand, seems very strange, most likely previous person was there before you done it.

All good. They literally said in an email "You say you didn't do it but we have a proove" (not my spelling, direct quote). The manager then jumps on saying there was no bad intent shevwas simply informing me there was a violation of house rules. Like on what planet was she not accusing me in that sentence

Samuel T. Cogley

Danni21 wrote: »

Anyone have any advice on how I can approach this?

Stay in better hotels.

TheBlackPill

Shure it was a latex glove and not a showercap. Other possibility is the previous guest left the cap and hsekeeping didnt see it then. If it was me i'd leave it lie. Wouldnt post about it on tripadvisor. Kind of glad a hotel will confront guests about such a thing

Danni21

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Shure it was a latex glove and not a showercap. Other possibility is the previous guest left the cap and hsekeeping didnt see it then. If it was me i'd leave it lie. Wouldnt post about it on tripadvisor. Kind of glad a hotel will confront guests about such a thing

You're kind of missing the point. They said as a good will gesture they weren't going to message me about it or follow it up. So no apparently they don't follow these things up. But just decided to attack me because they can't take constructive feedback

TheBlackPill

Danni21 wrote: »

You're kind of missing the point. They said as a good will gesture they weren't going to message me about it or follow it up. So no apparently they don't follow these things up. But just decided to attack me because they can't take constructive feedback

Life is too short. forget about it. constructive feedback lol

Danni21

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Life is too short. forget about it. constructive feedback lol

Easy to throw around cliches and jeer at people when you're not in the situation

coylemj

Danni21 wrote: »

Easy to throw around cliches and jeer at people when you're not in the situation

The 'situation' you're in is precisely what the hotel has engineered by making that accusation against you - you're running around in a fit of rage and achieving absolutely nothing. They got under your skin and that's probably what they set out to do.

As this is a legal forum, you need to realise that if that accusation was made in a private communication i.e. one which was not shared with third parties, it does not count as defamation and there is nothing you can do about it. So move on.

Op, no one knew about this accusation until you shared it here.

Secondly, it's a pathetic accusation. A smoker disabled a smoke detector. So what? Plenty do.

Third, they aren't trying to take any action and you weren't planning on taking any action either. Hit delete and move on.


To all the others taking about data requests and such, it's PERSONAL data that can be used to identify you. They already said they have a photo of the smoke detector covered. That's not identification and it's not sinister. It's their hotel, they can photograph the bloody ceiling if they want to.

Danni21

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Op, no one knew about this accusation until you shared it here.

Secondly, it's a pathetic accusation. A smoker disabled a smoke detector. So what? Plenty do.

Third, they aren't trying to take any action and you weren't planning on taking any action either. Hit delete and move on.


To all the others taking about data requests and such, it's PERSONAL data that can be used to identify you. They already said they have a photo of the smoke detector covered. That's not identification and it's not sinister. It's their hotel, they can photograph the bloody ceiling if they want to.

They said they have proof that I did it. That's where the posters were coming from.

I'm not a smoker and I didn't cover it. Actually it is a big deal if they fell asleep with a cigarette for example and set the room on fire.

Danni21

Danni21 wrote: »

They said they have proof that I did it. That's where the posters were coming from.

I'm not a smoker and I didn't cover it. Actually it is a big deal if they fell asleep with a cigarette for example and set the room on fire.

stop now, you said yourself the proof was a photo taken by a cleaner. Others users should read posts fully instead of rushing to be legal eagles.

Also stop with the hysterics. No one fell asleep and set the great Dublin fire of 2020 so its irelevent.

You are being hysterical over an email that was in reply to your not very pleasant email.

Danni21

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

stop now, you said yourself the proof was a photo taken by a cleaner. Others users should read posts fully instead of rushing to be legal eagles.

Also stop with the hysterics. No one fell asleep and set the great Dublin fire of 2020 so its irelevent.

You are being hysterical over an email that was in reply to your not very pleasant email.

There was nothing unpleasant about my email. I replied to them expressing concerns. I'm entitled to do so. Would you be happy to be accused of such yobbish behaviour?

punisher5112

I'd be stating it wasn't you, provide proof as you would love to see how they were able to see you yourself actually doing so, you are disgusted with such comments and won't be darkening their door again.

If the stay was nice etc then give a good review but you could add in the issue at the end and state you were disappointed with such remarks after a good stay or bad whichever it was.

Can't see anything else coming out of it.

Danni21

Danni21 wrote: »

There was nothing unpleasant about my email. I replied to them expressing concerns. I'm entitled to do so. Would you be happy to be accused of such yobbish behaviour?

I wouldnt give a flying **** because its only an email. I have ten times worse screamed in my face most days.

You sent them an email of 'concerns'. you considered that reasonable and now your outraged because instead of replying "yes sir, sorry sir, three bags full sir" they replied with their own 'concerns'.

Try being a bus driver, customer care for Eir or the hundreds of jobs out there that are abused daily because in all honesty, this is very very trivial and suggests you work / live a fairly insulated life. Good for you if you do by the way.

partyguinness

Leave an appropriate review online. Simples.

Zebrag

Of all the things they wanted to accuse you of and putting a shower cap on an alarm was one of them...

I wouldn't bother doing anything. Their responce enough has shown their professionalism and quiet frankly, it's laughable. Bit like Fawlty Towers if I say so myself.

Leave a one star with a bad review if you want but it won't gain anything towards yourself. The hotel can look at the review, shrug their shoulders and try and delete the review but honestly to save yourself the bother, laugh it off and don't recommend the hotel to anyone else.

Next time, as I say all the time, take photos of any hotel room of how you entered it and if any issues arise late on, your photos can show well this was how I entered it and when you leave, another photo of this it how I left it. The hotel can deal with whatever issues they have themselves

Yyhhuuu

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I wouldnt give a flying **** because its only an email. I have ten times worse screamed in my face most days.

You sent them an email of 'concerns'. you considered that reasonable and now your outraged because instead of replying "yes sir, sorry sir, three bags full sir" they replied with their own 'concerns'.

Try being a bus driver, customer care for Eir or the hundreds of jobs out there that are abused daily because in all honesty, this is very very trivial and suggests you work / live a fairly insulated life. Good for you if you do by the way.

Judgemental of you to accuse somebody of living an "insulated life". You dont know what way this person lives their life.

partyguinness

Not sure why most posters seem to be piling in on the OP.

The OP emailed unhappiness about certain items. Instead of the hotel either just ignoring it or just throwing out a token 'Sorry that you did not enjoy your stay blah blah blah. End of.' the hotel fires back rather weird inapprorpiate accusations.

Ultimatley this is going nowhere. Just get it off your chest with a crappy online review.

Alf Veedersane

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Try being a bus driver, customer care for Eir or the hundreds of jobs out there that are abused daily because in all honesty, this is very very trivial and suggests you work / live a fairly insulated life..

That's awful guff.

Danni21

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

Judgemental of you to accuse somebody of living an "insulated life". You dont know what way this person lives their life.

Very judgemental. I'm clearly not allowed to be outraged by being accused of committing an offence without it suggesting i'm a bit precious and have a cushy number.

I've actually broke my back my entire life working since 15 and put myself through college. Worked all sorts of sh**y jobs to get where I am today and always prided myself as being an honest person. So yeah this has outraged me because i'm the last person in the world to do this.

Danni21

Danni21 wrote: »

Very judgemental. I'm clearly not allowed to be outraged by being accused of committing an offence without it suggesting i'm a bit precious and have a cushy number.

I've actually broke my back my entire life working since 15 and put myself through college. Worked all sorts of sh**y jobs to get where I am today and always prided myself as being an honest person. So yeah this has outraged me because i'm the last person in the world to do this.

You can be anything you want but again, to be 'outraged' over an email ffs! You are now outraged about my comment about your outrage which is just reinforcing my opinion.

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

Judgemental of you to accuse somebody of living an "insulated life". You dont know what way this person lives their life.

Read the words. I said it suggested he lives an insulated life and my opinion hasnt changed. One that leads to being outraged a lot over minor, trivial things I might add.

Jesus, Imagine is someone actually really makes a criminal allegation against him or he was stopped on the street by the Gardai for matching a description of a suspect? I can only imagine the posts, emails and letters that would be forthcoming

99% of adults would delete the email and wouldnt give one iota of a toss. The OP brought it to a legal forum online ffs and has now become outraged about the response to his outrage which started with being outraged about someone making an accusation in an email that was in reply to his email about the people he was emailing

Danni21

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You can be anything you want but again, to be 'outraged' over an email ffs! You are now outraged about my comment about your outrage which is just reinforcing my opinion.



Read the words. I said it suggested he lives an insulated life and my opinion hasnt changed. One that leads to being outraged a lot over minor, trivial things I might add.

Jesus, Imagine is someone actually really make a criminal allegation against him or he was stopped on the street by the Gardai for matching a description of a suspect?

99% of adults would delete the email and wouldnt give one iota of a toss. The OP brought it to a legal forum online ffs and has now become outraged about the response to his outrage

Clearly very focused on pushing your own opinion of me because you get "so much stick" every day. I'll leave you to it

Danni21

Danni21 wrote: »

Clearly very focused on pushing your own opinion of me because you get "so much stick" every day. I'll leave you to it

Im not trying to insult you OP. If you arent subject to grief in work, more power to you. Its not something that people usually want or look for but can you not see the irony here? You are offended now by my opinion. You were outraged by their opinion but your opinion? Well thats sacrosanct. You shouldnt have to take this from them but they should take your opinion with a smile.

we all have em, correct or not. Try not to let it bug you so much. especially when you wont be going back and they already have forgotten your name because it will only lead to high blood pressure over something thats not goping to change nor be proven either way

Renegadema

Liveline

Yyhhuuu

Danni21 wrote: »

Very judgemental. I'm clearly not allowed to be outraged by being accused of committing an offence without it suggesting i'm a bit precious and have a cushy number.

I've actually broke my back my entire life working since 15 and put myself through college. Worked all sorts of sh**y jobs to get where I am today and always prided myself as being an honest person. So yeah this has outraged me because i'm the last person in the world to do this.

The people who accused you of this with no evidence are such ignorant people.

Danni21

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Im not trying to insult you OP. If you arent subject to grief in work, more power to you. Its not something that people usually want or look for but can you not see the irony here? You are offended now by my opinion. You were outraged by their opinion but your opinion? Well thats sacrosanct. You shouldnt have to take this from them but they should take your opinion with a smile.

we all have em, correct or not. Try not to let it bug you so much. especially when you wont be going back and they already have forgotten your name because it will only lead to high blood pressure over something thats not goping to change nor be proven either way

What has work got to do with anything? You know nothing about me or my work. It's not about "opinion". It's about not providing a service as promised or advertised and then accusing someone of a pretty deplorable offence, calling them a liar and saying they have proof.

You're twisting things to suit your own agenda. Sacrosanct, really??? I am above smoking in a hotel room covering smoke detectors like a thug. So yes call it what you like.


You can't call fact and blatant accusations out as "opinion". I never said I wasn't subject to grief at work.

Danni21

Danni21 wrote: »

What has work got to do with anything? You know nothing about me or my work. It's not about "opinion". It's about not providing a service as promised or advertised and then accusing someone of a pretty deplorable offence, calling them a liar and saying they have proof.

You're twisting things to suit your own agenda. Sacrosanct, really??? I am above smoking in a hotel room covering smoke detectors like a thug. So yes call it what you like.


You can't call fact and blatant accusations out as "opinion". I never said I wasn't subject to grief at work.

**** me. :rolleyes:

its your OPINION that the hotel wasnt good enough, they disagree

Its their OPINION that you covered the smoke detector, you disagree

Its my OPINION that you are getting worked up over a very trivial thing, you disagree

It is your OPINION that Im harshly judging you and the situation, I disagree.

None of it is fact. Its all opinions and again, everyone is entitled to one.

Heres a few from other people, again they are entitled to their views.

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Life is too short. forget about it.

Renegadema wrote: »

Liveline

coylemj wrote: »

you're running around in a fit of rage and achieving absolutely nothing.

punisher5112 wrote: »

Can't see anything else coming out of it.

coylemj wrote: »

there is nothing you can do about it. So move on.

Zebrag wrote: »

I wouldn't bother doing anything.

28064212 wrote: »

Take 5 minutes and examine what good comes out of spending more time and energy on this, versus dropping it and just moving on with your life.

con747 wrote: »

Let it go and move on.

GarIT wrote: »

Leave a one star review with your original issues and move on.

KaneToad wrote: »

I'd ignore them.

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Why do you care?
It has no impact on you

Padre_Pio wrote: »

it's no more important that a lad shouting at you on the street.
Move on and forget it.

How many people do you need to tell you its trivial and move on before you actually relax, accept its trivial and actually move on?

28064212

OP, what do you actually want to happen here?

• An apology from the hotel? Not likely, or you wouldn't be in this situation
• Legal options? There are none (that I know of). It's not defamation if you're the only person they made the accusation to. Even if there was, a defamation case is a costly and time-consuming endeavour. Is it worth it?
• ...

So what do you see as a "good" outcome, given you can't control the hotel's behaviour? Take 5 minutes and examine what good comes out of spending more time and energy on this, versus dropping it and just moving on with your life.

Danni21

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

**** me. :rolleyes:

its your OPINION that the hotel wasnt good enough, they disagree

Its their OPINION that you covered the smoke detector, you disagree

Its my OPINION that you are getting worked up over a very trivial thing, you disagree

It is your OPINION that Im harshly judging you and the situation, I disagree.

None of it is fact. Its all opinions and again, everyone is entitled to one

You clearly don't understand the difference between saying you have absolute proof versus opinion. They're not the same thing

Dempo1

Danni21 wrote: »

I'll keep this brief. Mods please move if not in the relevant department. I recently stayed in a hotel. I had several issues which I emailed about but didn't intend on leaving a bad review or anything.

What followed has absolutely blown my mind and left me outraged. The hotel has accused me of putting a shower cap over the smoke detector (yes the one on the ceiling that nobody can reach). They said I was lucky I wasn't being charged etc. I expressed that I was outraged to be accused of such yobbish behaviour and that I absolutely in no uncertain terms did this. The responses I got where so rude and dismissive. I was told they weren't discussing any further. I was told "oh you say you didn't but I have proof". She has a picture of the shower cap over the smoke detector given to her by the house keeping team. That's it. She claims there was a chair in the room that I could have stood on (which there wasn't). She has basically in no uncertain terms called me a liar and said that I have done this. I'm furious to be treated like this and that they think it's acceptable to throw accusations at hotel guests like this.

I really don't want to just leave this lie as I don't think it's acceptable to be accused of such a thing. Anyone have any advice on how I can approach this?

Just curious, do you have these allega in writing, email etc? Whilst it's likely covering a smoke detector with anything could be deemed a breach of health and safety rules, legislation etc, it would be up to a solicitor to determine if its a criminal offence, that said any allegations made and in particular in writing should be followed up, defended and not let go as it may at the very least be libellous, so my advice is seek legal opinion. Just surprised any business would make accusations in writing, if they have infact done so.

Danni21

Danni21 wrote: »

You clearly don't understand the difference between saying you have absolute proof versus opinion. They're not the same thing

I understand it very well. I understand it in its entire legal definition and practice. You appear confused on the issue. For the record, their opinion that then photo of the smoke detector is evidence of the fact that you put it there, isnt. It wouldnt hold water in a court

I know that someone ' thinking' they have proof is not a 'fact' that they do have 'factual proof'. Its their opinion / belief

Put another way, does a christian;
KNOW god exists for a FACT,
BELIEVE he exists based on ACCEPTED INFORMATION or
SUSPECT based on CIRCUMSTANCIAL EVIDENCE

Danni21

Dempo1 wrote: »

Just curious, do you have these allega in writing, email etc? Whilst it's likely covering a smoke detector with anything could be deemed a breach of health and safety rules, legislation etc, it would be up to a solicitor to determine if its a criminal offence, that said any allegations made and in particular in writing should be followed up, defended and not let go as it may at the very least be libellous, so my advice is seek legal opinion. Just surprised any business would make accusations in writing, if they have infact done so.

Yes it is in writing. I clearly stated it wasn't me and they responded with "You said you didn't do it but we have proof".

Smee_Again

OP let it go.

It’s clear from this thread and your Work Problems thread that you have issues with letting things go and seem to always have to have the last word.

Just let it go and stay in better hotels in future.

Danni21

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I understand it very well. I understand it in its entire legal definition and practice. You appear confused on the issue. For the record, their opinion that then photo of the smoke detector is evidence of the fact that you put it there, isnt. It wouldnt hold water in a court

I know that someone ' thinking' they have proof is not a 'fact' that they do have 'factual proof'. Its their opinion / belief

Put another way, does a christian;
KNOW god exists for a FACT,
BELIEVE he exists based on ACCEPTED INFORMATION or
SUSPECT based on CIRCUMSTANCIAL EVIDENCE

The hotel saying there is a desk in the room. There is NO desk in the room FACT not OPINION

HOTEL saying their is a working shower in the room. Shower does not work. FACT not OPINION

elperello

Danni21 wrote: »

Yes it is in writing. I clearly stated it wasn't me and they responded with "You said you didn't do it but we have proof".

Is the hotel part of a group?

Are the management you are corresponding with the owners?

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and that I absolutely in no uncertain terms did this

.

Danni21

Smee_Again wrote: »

OP let it go.

It’s clear from this thread and your Work Problems thread that you have issues with letting things go and seem to always have to have the last word.

Just let it go and stay in better hotels in future.

My work thread was to gain advice about leaving the company on short notice and if I could do so. Nothing to do with last words.

Smee_Again

Danni21 wrote: »

My work thread was to gain advice about leaving the company on short notice and if I could do so. Nothing to do with last words.

You made a mountain out of a molehill then and now you're doing the same here.

Life is too short to give a crap about what some hotel said in an email to you.

bucketybuck

Danni21 wrote: »

My work thread was to gain advice about leaving the company on short notice and if I could do so. Nothing to do with last words.

Your work thread was an example of unnecessary drama, and this is exactly the same.