Course Rankings by Slope Rating

Rikand

Some of those slopes look really off based on experience, but having said that, I'm really going to enjoy playing Moate as a 9 or 10 handicapper next year

prawnsambo

Added Castlemartyr and Macreddin

Club|Slope Rating|Par|Course Rating
The Heritage|147|74|76.7
Mount Juliet|142|72|75.6
Dun Laoghaire|138|72|75.5
Corrstown|137|72|73.5
Faithlegg|137|72|73.2
St Margarets|136|73|73.9
Fermoy|136|70|70.8
Beaverstown|136|72|72.4
Macreddin|135|72|75.0
Castleknock|135|72|73.9
Moate|135|72|72.8
Co. Meath|135|73|73.4
Tramore|135|72|73
Birr|134|70|72.3
Portmarnock Links|132|71|75.2
The Island|132|72|75
Douglas|132|72|72.9
Fota Island|131|71|73.5
Castlemartyr|131|73|73.3
Youghal|131|71|72.1
Seapoint|129|72|75.1
Castlewarden|129|72|72.9
Tullamore|129|71|71.9
Craddockstown|128|72|72.4
Stackstown Gate|128|72|71.8
Balbriggan|127|72|72.4
Tuam|127|72|72.4
Royal Curragh|127|72|71.7
Athlone|126|72|72.2
Castlebar|126|72|71.4
Stackstown Cottage|125|71|70
Foxrock|122|70|70.4
Elmgreen|122|70|69.5
Corballis|112|66|65.5
Mulranny|112|71|69.7

paulos53

prawnsambo wrote: »

Added Castlemartyr and Macreddin

Castlemartyr is a par 72. Except if you are playing off the red tees

prawnsambo

paulos53 wrote: »

Castlemartyr is a par 72. Except if you are playing off the red tees

It's 73 off the blue tees too.

paulos53

Blue and White tees in Castlemartyr are both par 72. Ladies par is 73



Out of curiosity do any courses in Ireland have different pars for different men's tees? That USGA course lookup site has a few listed but I assume they are all incorrect?

BrandNewMedium

Rikand wrote: »

Some of those slopes look really off based on experience, but having said that, I'm really going to enjoy playing Moate as a 9 or 10 handicapper next year

Definitely something not quite right there, when you see Portmarnock Links supposedly easier.

How will inter clubs work now? Since an 8 in one club could be 10/11 in another, who will make the cut for teams? If you look at the slopes above, an 8 in The Heritage would be a 4/5 in Tullamore, supposedly

Wichita Lineman

BrandNewMedium wrote: »

Definitely something not quite right there, when you see Portmarnock Links supposedly easier.

How will inter clubs work now? Since an 8 in one club could be 10/11 in another, who will make the cut for teams? If you look at the slopes above, an 8 in The Heritage would be a 4/5 in Tullamore, supposedly

Do let me know how you both get on in Moate. It's not a soft touch. How have you scored there recently?

Mantis Toboggan

BrandNewMedium wrote: »

Definitely something not quite right there, when you see Portmarnock Links supposedly easier.

Moate is only 72.8 Portmarnock Links is 75.2?

DuckSlice

BrandNewMedium wrote: »

Definitely something not quite right there, when you see Portmarnock Links supposedly easier.

How will inter clubs work now? Since an 8 in one club could be 10/11 in another, who will make the cut for teams? If you look at the slopes above, an 8 in The Heritage would be a 4/5 in Tullamore, supposedly

I'd think they will carry on as they were before. The handicap index is the same as the current handicap you have essentially, just now it will change from course to course.

Rippeditup

BrandNewMedium wrote: »

Definitely something not quite right there, when you see Portmarnock Links supposedly easier.

How will inter clubs work now? Since an 8 in one club could be 10/11 in another, who will make the cut for teams? If you look at the slopes above, an 8 in The Heritage would be a 4/5 in Tullamore, supposedly

the slope is calculated into your handicap as the course slope and your score will be used to calculate the adjustments in handicap.. So a 10 handicapper in Mount Juliet is expected to hit +13/14 where in Stackstown Cottage they would be expected to shoot +9 to achieve the same handicap

prawnsambo

paulos53 wrote: »

Blue and White tees in Castlemartyr are both par 72. Ladies par is 73

Out of curiosity do any courses in Ireland have different pars for different men's tees? That USGA course lookup site has a few listed but I assume they are all incorrect?

That's where the par of 73 for the blue tees at Castlemartyr came from. I have a scorecard which lists them at 72, but it's possible that the rating system has changed the par on one hole. The 18th is a par 4 for men and par 5 for women, but the length off the blues is the same as the length of the par 5 4th off the whites at 473 yards.

prawnsambo

BrandNewMedium wrote: »

Definitely something not quite right there, when you see Portmarnock Links supposedly easier.

How will inter clubs work now? Since an 8 in one club could be 10/11 in another, who will make the cut for teams? If you look at the slopes above, an 8 in The Heritage would be a 4/5 in Tullamore, supposedly

If you look up Portmarnock, you get a dizzying array of courses and tee combinations. There are three courses listed - Blue, Yellow and Red. Click into one of those and you get a list as long as your arm. For example, here's what you get when you select Portmarnock - Blue:

Tee Name|Par|CR|SR
Blue - Red/Blue|72|77.1|146
Blue|72|76.2|142
Blue - Yellow/Blue|73|75.2|141
White - Red/Blue|72|74.6|138
White|72|73.8|135
Green - Red/Blue|72|73.6|135
White - Yellow/Blue|73|73.6|133
Green|72|73.0|132
Green - Yellow/Blue|73|72.6|129
Yellow|72|69.8|121
Yellow - Red/Blue|72|69.6|125
Yellow - Yellow/Blue|72|69.6|120


All men's tees obviously :rolleyes:

BrandNewMedium

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

Do let me know how you both get on in Moate. It's not a soft touch. How have you scored there recently?

Not well in either

Fully agree with you, both are tough courses for different reasons, but I would say PL is generally the harder of those two.

So the slopes surprise me, the same with a good few of the slope ratings here do. There are other weird ones that stand out to me, St Margarets sloped at 136 feels high relative to a lot of the others.

On further inspection, the table here compares the Moate blue tees slope to some other clubs white tee slopes, might be worth updating?

BrandNewMedium

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Moate is only 72.8 Portmarnock Links is 75.2?

That's course rating, the slopes don't reflect that.

BrandNewMedium

prawnsambo wrote: »

If you look up Portmarnock, you get a dizzying array of courses and tee combinations. There are three courses listed - Blue, Yellow and Red. Click into one of those and you get a list as long as your arm. For example, here's what you get when you select Portmarnock - Blue:

Tee Name|Par|CR|SR
Blue - Red/Blue|72|77.1|146
Blue|72|76.2|142
Blue - Yellow/Blue|73|75.2|141
White - Red/Blue|72|74.6|138
White|72|73.8|135
Green - Red/Blue|72|73.6|135
White - Yellow/Blue|73|73.6|133
Green|72|73.0|132
Green - Yellow/Blue|73|72.6|129
Yellow|72|69.8|121
Yellow - Red/Blue|72|69.6|125
Yellow - Yellow/Blue|72|69.6|120


All men's tees obviously :rolleyes:

That's Portmarnock Golf Club rather than the Links, but I take your point, if the wind blows out there then none of those slopes is accurate

dan_ep82

Headfort New White Tee

Par 72 Rating 73.6 Slope 133

newport2

Added Powerscourt East and West

Club|Slope Rating|Par|Course Rating
The Heritage|147|74|76.7
Mount Juliet|142|72|75.6
Dun Laoghaire|138|72|75.5
Corrstown|137|72|73.5
Faithlegg|137|72|73.2
St Margarets|136|73|73.9
Fermoy|136|70|70.8
Beaverstown|136|72|72.4
Castleknock|135|72|73.9
Moate|135|72|72.8
Co. Meath|135|73|73.4
Tramore|135|72|73
Powerscourt East|134|72|74.3
Powerscourt West|134|72|74.2
Birr|134|70|72.3
Portmarnock Links|132|71|75.2
The Island|132|72|75
Douglas|132|72|72.9
Fota Island|131|71|73.5
Youghal|131|71|72.1
Seapoint|129|72|75.1
Castlewarden|129|72|72.9
Tullamore|129|71|71.9
Craddockstown|128|72|72.4
Stackstown Gate|128|72|71.8
Balbriggan|127|72|72.4
Tuam|127|72|72.4
Royal Curragh|127|72|71.7
Athlone|126|72|72.2
Castlebar|126|72|71.4
Stackstown Cottage|125|71|70
Foxrock|122|70|70.4
Elmgreen|122|70|69.5
Corballis|112|66|65.5
Mulranny|112|71|69.7

Euphoriasean

Updated Limerick and Mayo

Club|Slope Rating|Par|Course Rating
The Heritage|147|74|76.7
Mount Juliet|142|72|75.6
Dun Laoghaire|138|72|75.5
Adare|137|72|75.6
Corrstown|137|72|73.5
Faithlegg|137|72|73.2
St Margarets|136|73|73.9
Fermoy|136|70|70.8
Beaverstown|136|72|72.4
Castleknock|135|72|73.9
Moate|135|72|72.8
Co. Meath|135|73|73.4
Tramore|135|72|73
Powerscourt East|134|72|74.3
Powerscourt West|134|72|74.2
Birr|134|70|72.3
Claremorris|133|73|72.5
Portmarnock Links|132|71|75.2
The Island|132|72|75
Westport|132|73|74.3
Douglas|132|72|72.9
Fota Island|131|71|73.5
Castletroy|131|72|72.8
Youghal|131|71|72.1
Ballyneety|131|70|70.3
Seapoint|129|72|75.1
Castlewarden|129|72|72.9
Tullamore|129|71|71.9
Craddockstown|128|72|72.4
Stackstown Gate|128|72|71.8
Balbriggan|127|72|72.4
Tuam|127|72|72.4
Royal Curragh|127|72|71.7
Athlone|126|72|72.2
Castlebar|126|72|71.4
Ballinrobe|125|73|73.1
Limerick|125|72|72.1
Stackstown Cottage|125|71|70
Belmullet(Hackett)|124|72|72.6
Belmullet(Wild Atlantic Dunes)|124|72|72.4
Adare Manor|124|69|68.9
Swinford|124|70|67.6
Newcastlewest|123|71|71.2
Foxrock|122|70|70.4
Elmgreen|122|70|69.5
Ballyhaunis|122|70|69.2
Rathbane|121|70|69.9
Ballina|119|71|69.4
Corballis|112|66|65.5
Mulranny|112|71|69.7
Achill|95|70|67.4

prawnsambo

Added back in the ones I added earlier and were then left out again.

Club|Slope Rating|Par|Course Rating
The Heritage|147|74|76.7
Mount Juliet|142|72|75.6
Dun Laoghaire|138|72|75.5
Adare|137|72|75.6
Corrstown|137|72|73.5
Faithlegg|137|72|73.2
St Margarets|136|73|73.9
Fermoy|136|70|70.8
Macreddin|135|72|75.0
Beaverstown|136|72|72.4
Castleknock|135|72|73.9
Moate|135|72|72.8
Co. Meath|135|73|73.4
Tramore|135|72|73
Powerscourt East|134|72|74.3
Powerscourt West|134|72|74.2
Birr|134|70|72.3
Claremorris|133|73|72.5
Portmarnock Links|132|71|75.2
The Island|132|72|75
Westport|132|73|74.3
Douglas|132|72|72.9
Castlemartyr|131|73|73.3
Fota Island|131|71|73.5
Castletroy|131|72|72.8
Youghal|131|71|72.1
Ballyneety|131|70|70.3
Seapoint|129|72|75.1
Castlewarden|129|72|72.9
Tullamore|129|71|71.9
Craddockstown|128|72|72.4
Stackstown Gate|128|72|71.8
Balbriggan|127|72|72.4
Tuam|127|72|72.4
Royal Curragh|127|72|71.7
Athlone|126|72|72.2
Castlebar|126|72|71.4
Ballinrobe|125|73|73.1
Limerick|125|72|72.1
Stackstown Cottage|125|71|70
Belmullet(Hackett)|124|72|72.6
Belmullet(Wild Atlantic Dunes)|124|72|72.4
Adare Manor|124|69|68.9
Swinford|124|70|67.6
Newcastlewest|123|71|71.2
Foxrock|122|70|70.4
Elmgreen|122|70|69.5
Ballyhaunis|122|70|69.2
Rathbane|121|70|69.9
Ballina|119|71|69.4
Corballis|112|66|65.5
Mulranny|112|71|69.7
Achill|95|70|67.4

Johnny_Fontane

Did inspectors visit each course in relation to the slope rating? Looking at the list most are bundled together and no way that they should be bundled together.

Wichita Lineman

Every course had an inspection at some stage over the past few years since it was known that this WHS was on the way and slope ratings would be required.

Johnny_Fontane

Wichita Lineman wrote: »

Every course had an inspection at some stage over the past few years since it was known that this WHS was on the way and slope ratings would be required.

Is it a scientific method? I presume they look at the scoring in competitions as a guide?

prawnsambo

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

Is it a scientific method? I presume they look at the scoring in competitions as a guide?

They also play the course and have a pretty big questionnaire covering everything from grass cut heights to widths of fairways. They also measured hole lengths from permanent markers and looked at other factors like positions of hazards, bunkers etc.

Seve OB

prawnsambo wrote: »

They also play the course and have a pretty big questionnaire covering everything from grass cut heights to widths of fairways. They also measured hole lengths from permanent markers and looked at other factors like positions of hazards, bunkers etc.

they don't necessarily play the course

prawnsambo

Seve OB wrote: »

they don't necessarily play the course

I'm basing that on our visit and a proposed visit to rate our yellows for women as well. That had to be postponed due to lockdowns.

Johnny_Fontane

But at some stage do actual recorded scores by members play a part in the slope rating?

prawnsambo

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

But at some stage do actual recorded scores by members play a part in the slope rating?

Probably. They say not to put them on your scorecards because they will be under review.

NotCarrotRidge

prawnsambo wrote: »

Added back in the ones I added earlier and were then left out again.

Club|Slope Rating|Par|Course Rating
The Heritage|147|74|76.7
Mount Juliet|142|72|75.6
Dun Laoghaire|138|72|75.5
Adare|137|72|75.6
Corrstown|137|72|73.5
Faithlegg|137|72|73.2
St Margarets|136|73|73.9
Fermoy|136|70|70.8
Macreddin|135|72|75.0
Beaverstown|136|72|72.4
Castleknock|135|72|73.9
Moate|135|72|72.8
Co. Meath|135|73|73.4
Tramore|135|72|73
Powerscourt East|134|72|74.3
Powerscourt West|134|72|74.2
Birr|134|70|72.3
Claremorris|133|73|72.5
Portmarnock Links|132|71|75.2
The Island|132|72|75
Westport|132|73|74.3
Douglas|132|72|72.9
Castlemartyr|131|73|73.3
Fota Island|131|71|73.5
Castletroy|131|72|72.8
Youghal|131|71|72.1
Ballyneety|131|70|70.3
Kilkenny|131|71|71.7
Seapoint|129|72|75.1
Castlewarden|129|72|72.9
Tullamore|129|71|71.9
Craddockstown|128|72|72.4
Stackstown Gate|128|72|71.8
Balbriggan|127|72|72.4
Tuam|127|72|72.4
Royal Curragh|127|72|71.7
Athlone|126|72|72.2
Castlebar|126|72|71.4
Ballinrobe|125|73|73.1
Limerick|125|72|72.1
Stackstown Cottage|125|71|70
Belmullet(Hackett)|124|72|72.6
Belmullet(Wild Atlantic Dunes)|124|72|72.4
Adare Manor|124|69|68.9
Swinford|124|70|67.6
Newcastlewest|123|71|71.2
Foxrock|122|70|70.4
Elmgreen|122|70|69.5
Ballyhaunis|122|70|69.2
Rathbane|121|70|69.9
Ballina|119|71|69.4
Corballis|112|66|65.5
Mulranny|112|71|69.7
Achill|95|70|67.4

Added in Kilkenny. Still shaking my head at it. Seems very high.

IAmTitleist

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

Did inspectors visit each course in relation to the slope rating? Looking at the list most are bundled together and no way that they should be bundled together.

Wondered this myself.

Looking at the slope ratings my course has a slope of 112. While nearby courses which i'm absolutely sure 99% of local people would agree are easier have a higher slope.

gapthunt

Slope Rating®
An indication of the relative difficulty of a golf course for players who are not scratch players compared to players who are scratch players. The lowest Slope Rating is 55 and the highest is 155.