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Christmas during Covid times

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Some need to mind their own business and stop twitching the curtains. Reality is some people are going catch up with family and friends over the Christmas period and knock back a few jars. You know, human-like behaviour. Tony Holohan and the doom squad (those whose salaries and jobs are completely secure) might want to grant some leeway in December or some individuals are going to ignore the restrictions completely.
    Some people are already ignoring most restrictions so it's up to citizens to do their best

    Most people can still have a nice xmas,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    If you visit or have elderly relatives over for Christmas then there could be severe consequences in January for those decisions.

    People make their own choices.

    This is a choice people need to think carefully about. For the sake of Christmas? For me, no.

    I accept others have their own view depending on circumstances.

    You have to use your own common sense and judgement at the end of the day. This is a highly contagious disease and if you are elderly your chances are slim.

    But people want to ignore advice so...you can only be told so many ways

    This is unrealistic however as people DO have other ideas and opinions. There needs to be recognition of this and actual planning for it as opposed to hoping people won’t. Because they will. Young and old. Whether it’s because it’s Christmas or because they don’t know if they will have many more and would prefer to enjoy it etc etc. The reasons aren’t actually that important, there are many. What’s important is that planning is done. Telling people to limit the length of visit rather than saying no visiting for example. Suggesting people have one household at a time rather than everyone visiting together. Those are practical ways to limit spread without trying to have a blanket ban


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,402 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This is unrealistic however as people DO have other ideas and opinions.

    Why is it unrealistic?

    They can have all the opinions they like.

    It's obvious to me we are dealing with a generation not familiar with adversity who simply can't handle bad news (you only have to read through these threads to see it). They can't take a Christmas on the couch?

    A bit of perspective needed here I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    If you'd actually read my post you'd see I have an elderly parent singular. Others have chosen not to. What about the elderly parents? What did they choose?

    I'm not going to see my elderly parents because they're more comfortable with me not going. We had a conversation about it, and that's what we decided on.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    That’s one of the saddest things I’ve read since this debacle began. I hope in time you change your mind.

    It’s not a big change as I hadn’t a very high opinion of other people to begin with, this all just proved I was right all along.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Why is it unrealistic?

    They can have all the opinions they like.

    It's obvious to me we are dealing with a generation not familiar with adversity who simply can't handle bad news (you only have to read through these threads to see it). They can't take a Christmas on the couch?

    A bit of perspective needed here I think.

    Actually in your haste to blame the younger generation you are totally missing the point that it is across all age groups. My parents for example would be outraged if I told them I wasn’t coming to visit over Christmas. So I’m planning to do it as safely as I possibly can for them and us


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    If you visit or have elderly relatives over for Christmas then there could be severe consequences in January for those decisions.

    People make their own choices.

    This is a choice people need to think carefully about. For the sake of Christmas? For me, no.

    I accept others have their own view depending on circumstances.

    You have to use your own common sense and judgement at the end of the day. This is a highly contagious disease and if you are elderly your chances are slim.

    But people want to ignore advice so...you can only be told so many ways

    Yesterday we buried my grandmother. Her death had nothing to do with covid. Because of covid restrictions I hadn’t seen her since March. In lockdown 1 we buried my uncle. Again a non covid death and due to
    Covid restrictions I couldn’t attend the funeral or see that side of the family until a couple of months afterward

    Not a hope in hell am I continuing this trend especially over Christmas. I shall be seeing friends and family especially over Christmas.

    The government has already lost the dressing room. It’s clear they have done NOTHING during lockdown 2 to build up the health service to deal with a wave 3.

    A friend of mine runs a business with his wife. One of his staff members contracted the virus. It spread to 3 other staff members and my friend. Bar the first person who called in sick to work, the others had mild symptoms. My friend said his symptoms were so mild he didn’t even feel sick. Had his staff not tested positive he wouldn’t have got tested. He isolated at home as did his wife and daughter. His wife and daughter were tested regularly and always came back negative throughout. (His wife works with him and the staff too)

    Had this happened in March or April, the paranoia and fear among people would have been very high given we knew very little about the virus. We know a lot more now so that fear and paranoia isn’t as high anymore.

    Listen to Holohan yesterday. No mention in the media of how hospital cases are continuing to plummet and ICU cases are still trending downward.

    Christmas was always the elephant in the room. Most people will socialise, will travel home from abroad, will be with family and there’s nothing the government can or will do about it.

    Ireland remains the only country in Europe using a blunt instrument to try tackle the virus.

    The virus won’t have changed anything when this is over. It didn’t with the Spanish flu. It didn’t with SARS. It didn’t with foot and mouth. It didn’t with the avian flu. It didn’t with Ebola.

    You’re talking nonsense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I'd love nothing more than a big family Christmas but I had two very high risk people in my home and an elderly mother in law who is also at risk and I just won't take that chance. It's one day, its worth the sacrifice to keep everyone safe. We all thought how would we get through the first few weeks of lockdown, the summer months and yet here we are so its a no brainer for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    Actually in your haste to blame the younger generation you are totally missing the point that it is across all age groups. My parents for example would be outraged if I told them I wasn’t coming to visit over Christmas. So I’m planning to do it as safely as I possibly can for them and us

    Hello. The details of what may or may not be possible regarding visiting during the seasonal holidays has not yet been decided or published. Patience is required for another couple of weeks before there will be clarity on whether such visits will be possible, and under what circumstances and conditions. This information will be widely publicised in advance, and on www.gov.ie.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭votecounts


    For me, this christmas will be different, won't be down to the family home for the first time in my life as in my opinion it is too risky to see parents,brothers, sisters, etc. Will be much limiting my socialising over this period as I do not want lockdown 3. I will get abuse for this but people need to realise that the more you socialise with other people the more this virus spreads and you know who loves that COVID 19.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Hello. The details of what may or may not be possible regarding visiting during the seasonal holidays has not yet been decided or published. Patience is required for another couple of weeks before there will be clarity on whether such visits will be possible, and under what circumstances and conditions. This information will be widely publicised in advance, and on www.gov.ie.

    Hello,it doesn't matter what has been decided or will be decided,people will be visiting their families and nobody will be stopping them,Goodbye


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Hello. The details of what may or may not be possible regarding visiting during the seasonal holidays has not yet been decided or published. Patience is required for another couple of weeks before there will be clarity on whether such visits will be possible, and under what circumstances and conditions. This information will be widely publicised in advance, and on www.gov.ie.

    No one is waiting to plan. So either come out with a plan this week or we’ll have our own plans anyways


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    There's a conversation going on in our family at the moment about Christmas dinner. My elderly Mum has already said that she is not going to one brother as the kids are only finishing school on the 22nd. It's not a problem, I'm quite happy to have her, we have no kids and very limited contacts but one thing struck me in relation to school holidays, would it not be safer for everyone if Christmas holidays started earlier this year to provide safer mixing with family members who may be high risk?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Its going to be a week off work, mostly spend in bed watching youtube and Netflix with at best some illicit hillwalking or cycling. Forget the Xmas party or Stephens night and new years you'll just end up disappointed.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Its going to be a week off work, mostly spend in bed watching youtube and Netflix with at best some illicit hillwalking or cycling. Forget the Xmas party or Stephens night and new years you'll just end up disappointed.

    New Year's is mostly disappointing, Covid or no Covid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,402 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    faceman wrote: »
    Not a hope in hell am I continuing this trend especially over Christmas. I shall be seeing friends and family especially over Christmas.

    This is why restrictions will remain. What countries are these you speak of with no lock downs? Lay them out please, explain the restrictions and explain the trajectory of the virus in your exhibits.

    You're in denial. It's that simple.

    Posters said to me in March - they said "Kermit - it will be over in April" - Nope

    "Kermit - we are done in Summer, it's over" - Nope

    "Kermit - over by Autumn" - Nope

    "Kermit - over by Winter" - Nope

    "Kermit - Christmas will be normal....."

    I have been 100% right throughout. :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,992 ✭✭✭✭L'prof


    lawred2 wrote: »
    I don't ever remember it being said that this lockdown was so that we could have a normal Christmas..

    That to me is people hearing what they want to hear.
    Exactly. There was no official line like this.

    Really? So when the Taoiseach comes out last weeks and says - “I do believe we can create a window of opportunity for December to enable people to have a good Christmas”, what way do expect people to interpret this exactly??? How does someone who lives on their own in one county have a good Christmas when all their family live in another. Christmas has absolutely been hinted as an end goal for this lockdown. Only level 2 will do that unless it’s level 3 with less restrictions


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Redjackie


    I’ll never look at people the same way after this is all over anyway. I’ll be quite happy to interact with as few as possible from here on.

    I feel exactly the same way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    This is why restrictions will remain. What countries are these you speak of with no lock downs? Lay them out please, explain the restrictions and explain the trajectory of the virus in your exhibits.

    You're in denial. It's that simple.

    Posters said to me in March - they said "Kermit - it will be over in April" - Nope

    "Kermit - we are done in Summer, it's over" - Nope

    "Kermit - over by Autumn" - Nope

    "Kermit - over by Winter" - Nope

    "Kermit - Christmas will be normal....."

    I have been 100% right throughout. :cool:

    Any thoughts of your own on the matter?

    All I've seen you do is regurgitate the death and cases figures off reddit and act like their your own work.

    You lay out a timeline for future deaths, cases, lockdown dates, vaccine roll out dates, vaccines uptake, future treatment dates etc?

    Our are you gonna plagiarise that as well?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Redjackie


    I’ll never look at people the same way after this is all over anyway. I’ll be quite happy to interact with as few as possible from here on.

    I feel exactly the same way.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Redjackie


    I’ll never look at people the same way after this is all over anyway. I’ll be quite happy to interact with as few as possible from here on.

    I feel exactly the same way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,402 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Any thoughts of your own on the matter?

    All I've seen you do is regurgitate the death and cases figures off reddit and act like their your own work.

    You lay out a timeline for future deaths, cases, lockdown dates, vaccine roll out dates, vaccines uptake, future treatment dates etc?

    Our are you gonna plagiarise that as well?

    tenor.gif

    I take my figures from the official statistics available from each country for anyone who can be bothered. They are freely available on national COVID tracking sites. Nothing mysterious.

    What specifically would you like me to project (other than my own vomit at your assertions)?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,066 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Seamai wrote: »
    There's a conversation going on in our family at the moment about Christmas dinner. My elderly Mum has already said that she is not going to one brother as the kids are only finishing school on the 22nd. It's not a problem, I'm quite happy to have her, we have no kids and very limited contacts but one thing struck me in relation to school holidays, would it not be safer for everyone if Christmas holidays started earlier this year to provide safer mixing with family members who may be high risk?

    I think it would be helpful but see a big problem with that . If you close the schools early many people would be still working
    So who would end up minding the kids ? The grandparents probably


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    Depending on what happens with the pubs, it may be my first Xmas period with more than 1 day off since 2002. We are having our usual Christmas day, make it great for the young lad as this may be his last one believing in santa. Have 3 coming for dinner on the day itself and ill be in bed by 9


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    Put it this way, friday (9 days ago) in ranelagh was like mardi gras with hundreds on street with plastic glasses of gargle outside pubs and restaurants.

    It was the same in Bushy park according to a friend of mine...they even had tents put up. No guards to be seen anywhere.

    Seen a few pubs around put up makeshift wooden
    Bars in their own carpark in preparation

    I can see some serious partying on the cards for christmas.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    This is why restrictions will remain. What countries are these you speak of with no lock downs? Lay them out please, explain the restrictions and explain the trajectory of the virus in your exhibits.

    You're in denial. It's that simple.

    Posters said to me in March - they said "Kermit - it will be over in April" - Nope

    "Kermit - we are done in Summer, it's over" - Nope

    "Kermit - over by Autumn" - Nope

    "Kermit - over by Winter" - Nope

    "Kermit - Christmas will be normal....."

    I have been 100% right throughout. :cool:

    Just what are you talking about man? Denials about what? Is all your after is kudos for being "right"? What are you right about? Im beginning to think you're losing your mind. :pac:

    I never said no lockdowns, I said not everyone is taking a blunt hammer to restrictions. Ireland is. My region in Spain, Comunidad Valenciana, has the same population as Ireland. There are different restrictions in different area depending on what the rates are. Its measure by health district. My own area's health distract has a decreased trend and our 14 day rate 100k number is now down to 80. Bars, restaurants and gyms are still open with some restrictions. Curfew seems to have had a positive impact (midnight to 6am) but it's still too soon to see thorough stats on the impact of curfew across Spain.

    Many other countries have taken similar approaches. Ireland hasn't. For Ireland, its all or nothing. There is still no enforcement of restrictions in Ireland either. They have only started doing detailed contact tracing on sources of infection this month, 9 months after we first locked down. Granted there may be a time when the only option left is a full lockdown, I cant deny that, but we have to look at the steps leading up to it.

    You dont know what you're talking about Kermit. But if you want me to tell you that you're "100% right" about something I will, Kermit was indeed 100% a frog. A muppet, but still a frog. :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,402 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    faceman wrote: »
    Just what are you talking about man? Denials about what? Is all your after is kudos for being "right"? What are you right about? Im beginning to think you're losing your mind. :pac:

    I never said no lockdowns, I said not everyone is taking a blunt hammer to restrictions. Ireland is. My region in Spain, Comunidad Valenciana, has the same population as Ireland. There are different restrictions in different area depending on what the rates are. Its measure by health district. My own area's health distract has a decreased trend and our 14 day rate 100k number is now down to 80. Bars, restaurants and gyms are still open with some restrictions. Curfew seems to have had a positive impact (midnight to 6am) but it's still too soon to see thorough stats on the impact of curfew across Spain.

    Many other countries have taken similar approaches. Ireland hasn't. For Ireland, its all or nothing. There is still no enforcement of restrictions in Ireland either. They have only started doing detailed contact tracing on sources of infection this month, 9 months after we first locked down. Granted there may be a time when the only option left is a full lockdown, I cant deny that, but we have to look at the steps leading up to it.

    You dont know what you're talking about Kermit. But if you want me to tell you that you're "100% right" about something I will, Kermit was indeed 100% a frog. A muppet, but still a frog. :cool:

    Ugh another one.

    Can you provide the relevant statistics on transmission and circulation of the virus in the countries and regions you say are not using a "blunt instrument" please? Please use Italy. Germany, Spain or France as a big enough sample size in the presentation.

    Look, i'll just save you the bother.

    You haven't a clue.

    And, yes, sorry but I have been right from the start. It's not an ego thing (well maybe kinda). Hey, i'll take it. It's not easy being a muppet :cool:

    And don't get me started on Mrs Piggy, we're done loooong a go


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    We have made our plans. My elderly Mum and sister who has special needs live together. Both have multiple health problems. Another sister who has no Kids and WFH is going to restrict her movements for 2 weeks in December and then drive there and spend Christmas with them so they are not on their own.
    We are staying put and my other sister lives abroad and is also staying put.
    We are planning a family get-together over the Summer all going well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Will it be Covid free during Christmas week?


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And, yes, sorry but I have been right from the start. It's not an ego thing (well maybe kinda).

    Signed, your humble pontificator.

    You've been fond of alarmist terminology from the jump, getting your kicks by unsettling people with extreme scenarios outside of Ireland. "See, it's definitely going to happen here it we don't adhere to x, y and z." And like a depraved addict, you keep leaning on this narrative until it loses all potency.

    I almost feel sorry for you, kinda but not really.


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