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Edinburgh vs Ulster, Sat 5th Sept 7:35pm

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,914 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Nice bit by Kinsella on Ulster sklills. Dan Coper getting acknowledgment.

    https://www.the42.ie/ulster-edinburgh-collective-speed-5197009-Sep2020/

    I thought Hume had a good game & it was interesting to see that clip of him stepping in to get width out to McCloskey, Stockdale and Lyttle.

    He's a very good passer of the ball. You can also see him looking for space when he gets the ball, although sometimes I'd like to see him crash it up, just as another option, he has the bulk to do it.

    The tackle on Mata was massive. In fairness we barely saw Mata against afterwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    bilston wrote: »
    He's a very good passer of the ball. You can also see him looking for space when he gets the ball, although sometimes I'd like to see him crash it up, just as another option, he has the bulk to do it.

    The tackle on Mata was massive. In fairness we barely saw Mata against afterwards.

    He was impressive. He'll have his work cut out in the final but Centres are not my concern for that game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    bilston wrote: »
    He's a very good passer of the ball. You can also see him looking for space when he gets the ball, although sometimes I'd like to see him crash it up, just as another option, he has the bulk to do it.

    The tackle on Mata was massive. In fairness we barely saw Mata against afterwards.

    That was a very impressive tackle.
    I also liked the bit of bite we saw from him. I cant remember now who it was on but there was some lad grabbing on to him after a ruck and he was having none of it!

    Glad he's getting a run at it now.
    Any chance he can also kick the ball?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was Cooney injured or was it a tactical sub?

    Ulster were indecisive and hesitant until Lyttle got that score, by the time Herring went over there was a bit of inevitability about the Kardashian. Coetzee and McCloskey kept Ulster alive in the first half, linked up for the Lyttle try and literally carried Ulster back into the game.

    I suspect Jack McGrath might start next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Was Cooney injured or was it a tactical sub?

    Ulster were indecisive and hesitant until Lyttle got that score, by the time Herring went over there was a bit of inevitability about the Kardashian. Coetzee and McCloskey kept Ulster alive in the first half, linked up for the Lyttle try and literally carried Ulster back into the game.

    I suspect Jack McGrath might start next week.

    I'm not sure. I heard a few on here saying tactical.
    He wasnt playing well

    He did make a great tackle right at the end of the half.

    So unless he picked up a knock there it must have been tactical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Was Cooney injured or was it a tactical sub?

    Ulster were indecisive and hesitant until Lyttle got that score, by the time Herring went over there was a bit of inevitability about the Kardashian. Coetzee and McCloskey kept Ulster alive in the first half, linked up for the Lyttle try and literally carried Ulster back into the game.

    I suspect Jack McGrath might start next week.

    I believe it was tactical, and to me it made sense. Cooney wasn't playing particularly poorly but it wasn't working, we needed some fresh ideas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    bilston wrote: »
    He's a very good passer of the ball. You can also see him looking for space when he gets the ball, although sometimes I'd like to see him crash it up, just as another option, he has the bulk to do it.

    The tackle on Mata was massive. In fairness we barely saw Mata against afterwards.

    No better team to do it against than Edinburgh, they have a few players who shy away when confronted. Bradbury, Kinghorn and van der Muerwe being the others.
    I think it was one of the Ulster locks who thumped VdM in a tackle early in the second half and drove him backwards like he was dragging a drunk out of the pub. A really great aggressive hit.
    Didn't really see much from him after that (he stalled before Stockdale tackled him and slipped off later in the game).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Utah_Saint wrote: »
    I believe it was tactical, and to me it made sense. Cooney wasn't playing particularly poorly but it wasn't working, we needed some fresh ideas.

    How good is it to have someone the quality of Alby to come on. And (maybe) more importantly a coach willing to make that call. Makes me jealous after watching Murray stroll through 70+ minutes passing the ball to static players or kicking it away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,870 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Cooney looked unusually indecisive and threw 2 particularly poor ground balls when Ulster were on the front foot.

    Also a poor kick on the full.

    Sometimes it just isn't your day.

    Alby looked energetic when he came on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    How good is it to have someone the quality of Alby to come on. And (maybe) more importantly a coach willing to make that call. Makes me jealous after watching Murray stroll through 70+ minutes passing the ball to static players or kicking it away.

    First time in a long time for an Ulster fan. I like Alby's attitude. I seen him at one point off the ball antagonising one of the Edinburgh players:). He was well up for it.
    He had the experience and know-how to guide the players around him. I'd be fairly gutted as a Munster fan to have seen him leave.
    Munster do have a great scrum half coming through; although the Coaching staff seem to insist on sticking with CM.....a bit like Ireland too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    How good is it to have someone the quality of Alby to come on. And (maybe) more importantly a coach willing to make that call. Makes me jealous after watching Murray stroll through 70+ minutes passing the ball to static players or kicking it away.

    That is not exclusively a JvG thing.
    Alby is good mitigation!
    Although he doesnt look very fit. Or as fit and sharp when at Munster...... and sat on the bench!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Was Cooney injured or was it a tactical sub?

    Ulster were indecisive and hesitant until Lyttle got that score, by the time Herring went over there was a bit of inevitability about the Kardashian. Coetzee and McCloskey kept Ulster alive in the first half, linked up for the Lyttle try and literally carried Ulster back into the game.

    I suspect Jack McGrath might start next week.

    McFarland spoke at full time about how they needed to make changes and things weren't working on the pitch. It certainly doesn't seem to have been enforced. Same for Jordi Murphy and Ludik who also came off at half time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Jordi was a bit meh - the step up when Reidy came on was tangible.

    Alby is such a difference - not just because, in this instance, he completely upped the speed and pressure on Edinburgh, but because if not him, it would have been Shanahan. The result would not have been the same.

    And although Madigan did brilliantly for his kicks, it's worth bearing in mind that the absolutely crucial bit of out half play was Burns getting back for that intercept. If Edinburgh score there, the game really was gone.

    However, the real revelation in all this is that Venjur's phone auto-corrects things to "Kardashian". Cracking wee insight there into his interests beyond rugby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Ha!! I thought that was some turn of phrase or something!! Kardashian - What could that be? A load of ass!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,914 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Jordi was a bit meh - the step up when Reidy came on was tangible.

    Alby is such a difference - not just because, in this instance, he completely upped the speed and pressure on Edinburgh, but because if not him, it would have been Shanahan. The result would not have been the same.

    And although Madigan did brilliantly for his kicks, it's worth bearing in mind that the absolutely crucial bit of out half play was Burns getting back for that intercept. If Edinburgh score there, the game really was gone.

    However, the real revelation in all this is that Venjur's phone auto-corrects things to "Kardashian". Cracking wee insight there into his interests beyond rugby.

    I was thinking Jordi was maybe carrying that dead leg still. I'd be surprised if he was tactically removed at half time, but then maybe McFarland is just that ruthless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Jordi has much more big game nous than almost all of our other players, so I could see him starting. But in a pack that has centred on skills and pace under McFarland/Soper, Reidy is one of the few that would spot a ruck that's poorly-manned by the opposition, and just pick and go himself. Having someone obviously keen to do that will keep the opponent's ruck honest, which is invaluable.

    And if McFarland is willing to take Cooney off because he's not firing, I don't think he'd have any issue replacing Murphy.

    In fact, for me, that game is won by Dan McFarland's Shiny Big Brain and Balls. He just adapted the game plan, and reorganised. Our maul, was which was a waste of space in the first half, delivered two lovely tries; the second without Herring or Murphy.

    Finally, Alby, Reidy, Treadwell, Lowry, the props and Andrew were all genuinely very good off the bench. If Treadwell played like that every game, he starts alongside Henderson for me. He certainly leapfrogs Carter, who has brought penalties and no evidence of the leadership that he was supposed to possess. Kieran T. was belligerent, skilful and showed the athleticism that he has but rarely uses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Jordi has much more big game nous than almost all of our other players, so I could see him starting. But in a pack that has centred on skills and pace under McFarland/Soper, Reidy is one of the few that would spot a ruck that's poorly-manned by the opposition, and just pick and go himself. Having someone obviously keen to do that will keep the opponent's ruck honest, which is invaluable.

    And if McFarland is willing to take Cooney off because he's not firing, I don't think he'd have any issue replacing Murphy.

    In fact, for me, that game is won by Dan McFarland's Shiny Big Brain and Balls. He just adapted the game plan, and reorganised. Our maul, was which was a waste of space in the first half, delivered two lovely tries; the second without Herring or Murphy.

    Finally, Alby, Reidy, Treadwell, Lowry, the props and Andrew were all genuinely very good off the bench. If Treadwell played like that every game, he starts alongside Henderson for me. He certainly leapfrogs Carter, who has brought penalties and no evidence of the leadership that he was supposed to possess. Kieran T. was belligerent, skilful and showed the athleticism that he has but rarely uses.

    Treadwell was particularly good. Really putting himself about. Like you say, i wish he done that more often.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    However, the real revelation in all this is that Venjur's phone auto-corrects things to "Kardashian". Cracking wee insight there into his interests beyond rugby.
    Ha!! I thought that was some turn of phrase or something!! Kardashian - What could that be? A load of ass!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    And although Madigan did brilliantly for his kicks, it's worth bearing in mind that the absolutely crucial bit of out half play was Burns getting back for that intercept. If Edinburgh score there, the game really was gone.

    I think it was Kinsella who did some analysis on that play and Burns really did brilliantly. You can see him clearly pointing and roaring at Lowry, directing him to stay out on the carrier, forcing him to pass or kick. Thankfully he threw the pass which was the wrong call but Burns had positioned himself in that line deliberately to block it off. Even at that, it was great hands to pluck it out of the air.

    Madigan's kicks were top class but there's no doubt who the frontrunner for McFarland is. I thought it was telling that Ulster were happy to absolutely ring the changes and haul people off early in the game but Madigan was still on the sideline until the 70th minute.

    Treadwell was possibly the best player on the park for me in the last 30 minutes. His hunger in those closing stages was a big difference. Ahead of the knock on penalty, he carried and offloaded as he went to ground to put Stockdale away down the line. When Stockdale spilled it back away from the touchline, Treadwell was the one who had bounced back to his feet and threw his body on the ball to secure possession again. If he doesn't do that, Ulster don't get that penalty.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,914 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Burns was good, although the commentator kept confusing him for Lowry in the second half!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Utah_Saint wrote: »
    Treadwell was particularly good. Really putting himself about. Like you say, i wish he done that more often.

    Treadwell still only 24! He is a big fella. How tall 6'6?
    For comparison Dillane is 26 and is filling into himself a bit.

    And Dev really wasn't a viable international lock until he was almost 28 .

    Hopefully he becomes more consistent and pushes the competition at international level.
    Cant have enough big fella's!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    24 years old and 90 caps. He used to be a runner or hurdler or somesuch, and if he gets an open field in front of him, you can still see it. The frustration I've felt is that he clearly has the raw materials, and it's frustrating that Alan O'Connor is currently the better second row, primarily because of his attitude and grit. But yeah, often second rows don't grow into themselves until the second half of their twenties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭shaungil


    24 years old and 90 caps. He used to be a runner or hurdler or somesuch, and if he gets an open field in front of him, you can still see it. The frustration I've felt is that he clearly has the raw materials, and it's frustrating that Alan O'Connor is currently the better second row, primarily because of his attitude and grit. But yeah, often second rows don't grow into themselves until the second half of their twenties.

    Alan [EMAIL="O@connor"]O'Connor[/EMAIL] must be well regarded by McFarland. He was captain a few times last year and is consistently a 7 out of 10 player. The time he let rip ay Ah You (I think) back in the day was golden. Just an ultra solid professional doing the dirty horrible work, back into pillar every time looking for the hits clearing every second ruck. Never called on for international duty so always available. The perfect interpro player. Like Billy Holland I hope he gets a cap one day. Schmidt must have called up every other second row at some stage but he never got a look in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Yeah - there's no mystery as to why AOC is preferred. I just think if Treadwell played every game as he did against Edinburgh, he'd be a starter, Ulster would be improved, and he could expect a few more caps along the way.


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