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Munster vs CONNACHT match thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    There was a player banned recently where his weeks were converted to a number of 'material games' or similar. I can't remember where/who.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Zzippy wrote: »
    On reflection, I think the Pro14 should hold a hearing and award Connacht that game yesterday. James Cronin came on when he should have been serving his one month ban. A 20-0 bp win will do... :pac:

    On a serious note, though, how was he allowed to serve a ban while Munster had no games? They will need to give Papali'i and Delahunt min 6 week bans to ensure they miss any games if that's the case.

    Marler was the same iirc, all matches were postponed during his 10 week ban for his, er, interference with AWJ. It's a bit ridiculous tbh.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    There was a player banned recently where his weeks were converted to a number of 'material games' or similar. I can't remember where/who.

    What does that even mean, though?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭theboss80


    Game was pretty much over after the second red card. Aki did bring a huge amount of passion to his side which wasn't replicated y the rest of the team.

    Hanrahan had another solid game I thought as did Conway who is on fire with 4 tries in two games now. Would have liked to see Munster take the ball to the line a bit more when numbers were up as we fell into old ways for a bit there when it wasn't needed.

    Very much looking forward to next Friday now, think they showed how the CAN beat Leinster last week but need to push that on now. Think Kelliher will be under pressure at lineout again and scrum will be interesting.

    Lowe vs Conway :)
    Henshaw/Ringrose vs DDA/Farrell again :)

    Leinster rightly favorites but....


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Zzippy wrote: »
    What does that even mean, though?

    Well it means Munster players can come back immediately while Connacht players have to sit the next X number of Pro14 games out.

    Do keep up Zzippy!


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Zzippy wrote: »
    What does that even mean, though?

    I think that's the difficulty and likely why bans in weeks are handed out, rather than matches? Sonny Bill Williams previously got around a 4 match ban by including some warm-up games.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Superfoods


    which younger players and Munster were only province with something to play for over the weekend .....


    Yes what young players, says it all really


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Superfoods wrote: »
    Yes what young players, says it all really
    :rolleyes:
    What players should have been involved then? None of the other provinces had anything to play for over the weekend so could play lot more younger players. Munster did so had to play more first choice...


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,736 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    I've seen the young player malarkey re Munster elsewhere too. I find it really odd. Yesterday's game was eefectively a knock out game. Thats not the time to blood players. Theres a season ahead that will be pretty demanding on internationals so there's going to be a lot of opportunities for young players then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Superfoods


    :rolleyes:
    What players should have been involved then? None of the other provinces had anything to play for over the weekend so could play lot more younger players. Munster did so had to play more first choice...


    Are you really say that Munster couldn't put in a few younger player and not beat a second-string Connacht side? all they required was a win or 2 points. Hardly a huge task to require the full team.

    Did they need JJ and Murray at 10/9? Could they have tried either McCarthy or Casey at 9 with JJ? or maybe rest the only senior fit 10 and give some of the other guys a run? Did they need Earls and Conway on the wing? POM starting in back row with Stander?

    It wasn't as if this was a shock that Connacht would play the second team, they said it ages ago if I remember correctly.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I've seen the young player malarkey re Munster elsewhere too. I find it really odd. Yesterday's game was eefectively a knock out game. Thats not the time to blood players. Theres a season ahead that will be pretty demanding on internationals so there's going to be a lot of opportunities for young players then.

    Exactly this. The time to blood players might be, for example, in the game against Connacht earlier in the season. Daly, Nash, Goggin, Liam Coombes, Casey and Gavin Coombes all started.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Superfoods wrote: »
    Are you really say that Munster couldn't put in a few younger player and not beat a second-string Connacht side? all they required was a win or 2 points. Hardly a huge task to require the full team.

    Did they need JJ and Murray at 10/9? Could they have tried either McCarthy or Casey at 9 with JJ? or maybe rest the only senior fit 10 and give some of the other guys a run? Did they need Earls and Conway on the wing? POM starting in back row with Stander?

    It wasn't as if this was a shock that Connacht would play the second team, they said it ages ago if I remember correctly.

    The scenario of resting players and losing this game was not an acceptable one.

    Due to fixture congestion the likes of Murray, Conway and Earls are going to be away with Ireland a lot. Casey will probably start at least half of the Pro14 regular season. JJ will be with Munster but as you say he's the only fit senior 10 so will need to be rotated out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Superfoods wrote: »
    Are you really say that Munster couldn't put in a few younger player and not beat a second-string Connacht side? all they required was a win or 2 points. Hardly a huge task to require the full team.

    Did they need JJ and Murray at 10/9? Could they have tried either McCarthy or Casey at 9 with JJ? or maybe rest the only senior fit 10 and give some of the other guys a run? Did they need Earls and Conway on the wing? POM starting in back row with Stander?

    It wasn't as if this was a shock that Connacht would play the second team, they said it ages ago if I remember correctly.
    It was a must win. Why run the risk of not getting into the playoffs.
    We are going straight into a new season. McCarthy and Casey will get plenty of game time in the 20-21 season.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    aloooof wrote: »
    I think that's the difficulty and likely why bans in weeks are handed out, rather than matches? Sonny Bill Williams previously got around a 4 match ban by including some warm-up games.

    I know bans are still reported in terms of weeks, but I thought in recent years they had been very clear that x number of weeks = x number of competitive games e.g. a provincial player could no longer get around a ban by "not playing" an AIL game. Look, its not relevant to yesterday's game really, just interesting going forward if that has changed and that's why Cronin didn't actually miss any games.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    phog wrote: »
    Poor enough fare from both teams but Connacht's discipline was awful, the worst I've seen from them. I thought they'd have the benifit of playing under Frank last week but they couldn't cope, a team YC within minutes of kickoff is almost unheardof. I think their discipline got worse when Aki arrived on, he seemed to bring in a niggle to the game that wasn't there before he was subbed on. No issue with any of the cards but if Beirne's was yellow then Aki should have followed him later on, lying across a ruck, hand on ball and Connacht win a penalty. I suppose it goes to show that the ref has far too much to be watching and has to make fast calls.

    Very happy with the result and that we seemed to come through this game without the sort of injuries we picked up against Leinster but it's hardly a game that you'd keep to rewatch on a rainy day.

    Pretty sure Beirne went for a team yellow. Despite POM going for the same reason a couple of minutes earlier, they kept infringing and he was just the one that Frank picked. Poor enough defence that they couldn't keep out 13 men without giving away so many penalties. Leinster will relish that. Something they need to work on for Friday.
    Can't really blame Aki for Delahunt's moment of madness, the other cards came before he was even on the pitch IIRC, and Connacht came into the game more when he came on. If anything he brought the bit of aggression and energy that was needed. Yeah he had a few verbal exchanges but that was Cloete getting involved too, the two of them didn't seem to like each other.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    2 moments of madness resulted in 2 deserved red cards. Ref had no options.

    Connacht are a bit of a shambles tbh. The new No.8 looks useful but needs to remain on the pitch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    2 moments of madness resulted in 2 deserved red cards. Ref had no options.

    Connacht are a bit of a shambles tbh. The new No.8 looks useful but needs to remain on the pitch.
    I dont see how theyre a shambles
    They treated the games like pre season as they had nothing to play for and are now finished games for a while while the rest were all playing for potential trophies. The results dont mean theyre a shambles.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    2 moments of madness resulted in 2 deserved red cards. Ref had no options.

    Connacht are a bit of a shambles tbh. The new No.8 looks useful but needs to remain on the pitch.



    A full strength Munster team couldn't keep out 13 men without conceding two deserved yellow cards. Ref had no options.

    Munster are a bit of a shambles tbh. Up two men and concede two yellows. Up two men and kick repeatedly rather than exploit the space. Should have scored 3/4 more tries. The new No. 12 looks useful but needs some brains around him on the pitch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    2 moments of madness resulted in 2 deserved red cards. Ref had no options.

    Connacht are a bit of a shambles tbh. The new No.8 looks useful but needs to remain on the pitch.

    Are they?

    2 reds is extremely unlucky. Even though they were both merited.

    They looked excellent against Ulster.

    Connacht fronted up reasonably well despite playing for so long with 13 men. And this would have been a good chunk of the starting teams first game in 6 months


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,281 ✭✭✭✭phog


    tit for tat


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Zzippy wrote: »
    A full strength Munster team couldn't keep out 13 men without conceding two deserved yellow cards. Ref had no options.

    Munster are a bit of a shambles tbh. Up two men and concede two yellows. Up two men and kick repeatedly rather than exploit the space. Should have scored 3/4 more tries. The new No. 12 looks useful but needs some brains around him on the pitch.

    That full strength Munster team was 14 nil up before the red cards. 7 trys scored will do in my book. And what was the final score again?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Zzippy wrote: »
    I know bans are still reported in terms of weeks, but I thought in recent years they had been very clear that x number of weeks = x number of competitive games e.g. a provincial player could no longer get around a ban by "not playing" an AIL game. Look, its not relevant to yesterday's game really, just interesting going forward if that has changed and that's why Cronin didn't actually miss any games.

    I'm assuming it's because Cronin wasn't banned for an on the field incident so the disciplinary process and outcome are different. It wasn't a citing commission that gave out his ban.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    That full strength Munster team was 14 nil up before the red cards. 7 trys scored will do in my book. And what was the final score again?

    Munster were always going to win with a bp against Connacht's second string. I find it objectionable a team being described as a shambles for two individual errors. If that's the bar, then it's easy to pick poor discipline from any team and call them a shambles. That was the point.

    But if I was a Munster fan, I would be worried about the close-in defence just before half time against 13 men. A full strength Leinster team will be licking their lips watching that.
    I'm assuming it's because Cronin wasn't banned for an on the field incident so the disciplinary process and outcome are different. It wasn't a citing commission that gave out his ban.


    Interesting, and you may be spot on. Still a weird one. Good to see him back fit and playing anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    2 moments of madness resulted in 2 deserved red cards. Ref had no options.

    Connacht are a bit of a shambles tbh. The new No.8 looks useful but needs to remain on the pitch.

    Shambles? Explain please
    That full strength Munster team was 14 nil up before the red cards. 7 trys scored will do in my book. And what was the final score again?

    You're getting a bit wound up there, he turned the post around to make a point. Calling Connacht a shambles is ridiculous


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Zzippy wrote: »
    I know bans are still reported in terms of weeks, but I thought in recent years they had been very clear that x number of weeks = x number of competitive games e.g. a provincial player could no longer get around a ban by "not playing" an AIL game. Look, its not relevant to yesterday's game really, just interesting going forward if that has changed and that's why Cronin didn't actually miss any games.

    Agreed, whatever way bans are handed out, you'd have to imagine that in the spirit of the law / game, Cronin (and Marler) both should have missed game time requisite to the bans. It's weird to me that they didn't.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I'm assuming it's because Cronin wasn't banned for an on the field incident so the disciplinary process and outcome are different. It wasn't a citing commission that gave out his ban.

    I don't think Marler missed any of his 10 game ban either tho?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 6,773 Mod ✭✭✭✭connemara man


    That full strength Munster team was 14 nil up before the red cards. 7 trys scored will do in my book. And what was the final score again?

    That full strength Munster team needed Connacht to have someone in the bin before scoring a point so ya know


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    That full strength Munster team needed Connacht to have someone in the bin before scoring a point so ya know

    You're basically criticising Munster for not scoring a point before the 7th minute here, which seems a bit... silly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭connachta


    aloooof wrote: »
    You're basically criticising Munster for not scoring a point before the 7th minute here, which seems a bit... silly.




    Taking reds apart:

    Except discipline, mauls, and partly scrum (which is a lot) Connacht didn't look dominated in contact, and defence in open play (which is good)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,736 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    aloooof wrote: »
    You're basically criticising Munster for not scoring a point before the 7th minute here, which seems a bit... silly.

    Hes not really.


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