How is China getting on?

Xtrail14

Apart from them mass producing ppe how is the virus there? The heat seems to be off them for a long time.

Plumbthedepths

Doing great according to the leadership and anyone that says differently will be re-educated.
Great bunch of lads btw.

SeaBreezes

Mamdatory.masking lifted in Beijing this week.
Over 6 milllion people tested chasing the clusters there.

nc6000

A great bunch of lads with no questions to answer whatsoever. :rolleyes:

gozunda

It would appear China is desperately trying to make it look like other countries are now the problem but not themselves....

According to some news reports - Chinese officials claim that the neighboring country of Kazakhstan is dealing with an outbreak of a (new strain?) of coronvirus virus that’s even deadlier than the novel coronavirus.

With little or no evidence to back up the claim - the purpose of such finger pointing is possibly to deflect attention elsewhere. That said its not likley the WHO are going to say anything that might be deemed as negative of their good friends eitherway.

https://bgr.com/2020/08/26/kazakhstan-virus-china-coronavirus-covid-19/

nc6000

I always thought it was a remarkable coincidence that Wuhan had a CDC facility which just happened to be studying Corona viruses around the time Covid-19 started. How common are these facilities, do we have one in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland?

4068ac1elhodqr

* Q2 GDP +3.2% y/y (f’cast +2.5%, Q1 -6.8%)
* Q2 GDP +11.5% q/q {April-June} (f’cast +9.6%, Q1 -10%)
* June industrial output +4.8% y/y (f’cast +4.7%, May +4.4%)

Aside from a very minor retail sales slump, there is goverment-led bounce back. They're aiming for a 2020 +3% at end of year overall.
Wuhan also had a recent outdoor pool party thing for thousands.

Likely the covid drama will spurge a growth in their smart cities over the coming years, central to this is smart lamposts (the type HK protesters tried to cut down).
These (solar) smart posts deliver weather stations, 5g with driverless assistance, even car charging. Will also merge with the colour coded Healthcare app.
Not only will the ai-bot be able to pick out a flu ridden persons face from distance, they will offer constant surveillance for the (+/-) SCS points game.

speckle

A bit of a problem re harvest, land still flooding, saying young missing scientist studying elsewhere...

4068ac1elhodqr

nc6000 wrote: »

I always thought it was a remarkable coincidence that Wuhan had a CDC facility which just happened to be studying Corona viruses around the time Covid-19 started. How common are these facilities, do we have one in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland?

Don't reckon, it was a BSL4 Biosafety Level 4 Contaiment Lab (googlebot says only 5 in Europe, 21 or so in the world), which means if you drop your toast there and it lands butterside down on the welcome mat, then best to bin it.

speckle

Joe Square Cog wrote: »

Don't reckon, it was a BSL4 Biosafety Level 4 Contaiment Lab (googlebot says only 5 in Europe, 21 or so in the world), which means if you drop your toast there and it lands butterside down on the welcome mat, then best to bin it.

nearest is the UK in the south west I think

4068ac1elhodqr

gozunda wrote: »

According to some news reports - Chinese officials claim that the neighboring country of Kazakhstan is dealing with an outbreak of a (new strain?) of coronvirus virus that’s even deadlier than the novel coronavirus.

The only new deadlier strain (even for young) appears to be isolated incidents in India (Jalandhar/Kota), not a concern as of yet, so they say (fingers crossed).

On the opposite side, D614G is spreading fast (x10 faster), but is the least leathal so far, this is perhaps the ideal scenario for any attempt towards herd immunity.

aziz

nc6000 wrote: »

I always thought it was a remarkable coincidence that Wuhan had a CDC facility which just happened to be studying Corona viruses around the time Covid-19 started. How common are these facilities, do we have one in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland?

Are we sure there isn't one in Kildare 😁

beauf

Xtrail14 wrote: »

Apart from them mass producing ppe how is the virus there? The heat seems to be off them for a long time.

Well it vanished in China. Like most things.

Yurt2

Joe Square Cog wrote: »

* Q2 GDP +3.2% y/y (f’cast +2.5%, Q1 -6.8%)
* Q2 GDP +11.5% q/q {April-June} (f’cast +9.6%, Q1 -10%)
* June industrial output +4.8% y/y (f’cast +4.7%, May +4.4%)

Aside from a very minor retail sales slump, there is goverment-led bounce back. They're aiming for a 2020 +3% at end of year overall.
Wuhan also had a recent outdoor pool party thing for thousands.

Likely the covid drama will spurge a growth in their smart cities over the coming years, central to this is smart lamposts (the type HK protesters tried to cut down).
These (solar) smart posts deliver weather stations, 5g with driverless assistance, even car charging. Will also merge with the colour coded Healthcare app.
Not only will the ai-bot be able to pick out a flu ridden persons face from distance, they will offer constant surveillance for the (+/-) SCS points game.

China Beige Book for somewhat accurate figures and not the puffed up figures handed to Beijing by provincial governments for political reasons. This is a communist government, they still have a Stalinist quota mindset when it comes to economic figures. Swap in X percent GDP group with tractor tire / pig iron quotas and you get the idea.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/international/business/china-in-recession-and-heading-for-full-year-decline-beige-book/amp_articleshow/76523344.cms

gozunda

Joe Square Cog wrote: »

The only new deadlier strain (even for young) appears to be isolated incidents in India (Jalandhar/Kota), not a concern as of yet, so they say (fingers crossed).

On the opposite side, D614G is spreading fast (x10 faster), but is the least leathal so far, this is perhaps the ideal scenario for any attempt towards herd immunity.

I think you may have missed this bit re. A Chinese claim about a deadlier strain. ...

With little or no evidence to back up the claim...

Discussion of 'herd immunity' (or whether it exists or otherwise) is a whole different thread.

joseywhales

nc6000 wrote: »

I always thought it was a remarkable coincidence that Wuhan had a CDC facility which just happened to be studying Corona viruses around the time Covid-19 started. How common are these facilities, do we have one in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland?

Its a bit of a catch22, you identify coronaviruses as the most likely pathogen to cause a pandemic, so you study it in a lab, Naturally you were correct but that leads to the possibility that it actually came from your lab?

Cee-Jay-Cee

I have searched and cant find any news reports giving up to date position in China. It appears that they don't have a second wave like most of the rest of the world (although some countries are still weathering the first wave) so did their strict lock down effectively kill the virus there or not?

beauf

There were a few outbreaks. There was another one but this is all I can find now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53034924

I'm sure it hard getting these reports out. I don't really trust Chinese information.

Qiaonasen

The have locked downed Qingdao this week. The found two cases and locked down the city and did 10 million tests in 5 days. Last week China had a huge holiday also so you can be sure they have community spread again. Of course they will cover it up. There is no way their data is correct.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/16/asia/qingdao-china-covid-dock-worker-intl-hnk/index.html

The also have a vaccine which they haven't really tested and are injecting into millions of people. They will win the vaccine race for sure but as with everything in China they are cutting corners to get there first. They ****ed up massively and will try to build some soft power with vaccine diplomacy.

If you believe China have done the impossible and stopped this virus I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

thebaz

Qiaonasen wrote: »

If you believe China have done the impossible and stopped this virus I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Every day since March they have between 10 and 30 cases , in a country of 1.5 billion , no second wave , meanwhile eveywhere else ther has ben peaks and second waves , and somohow China bucks the trend , they have serious questions to answer, but somehow I dont think they will be.

Spanish Eyes

I have a friend in Beijing, Diplomatic Corps.

Life is normal, same as pre Covid. Different regime admittedly. Masks obligatory. They take no prisoners there.

Qiaonasen

thebaz wrote: »

Every day since March they have between 10 and 30 cases , in a country of 1.5 billion , no second wave , meanwhile eveywhere else ther has ben peaks and second waves , and somohow China bucks the trend , they have serious questions to answer, but somehow I dont think they will be.

The Chinese Communist Party haven't told the truth since 1921. I doubt they are telling the truth now. Xi Jinping declared victory on the virus at the beginning of the year after the Wuhan lockdown. So they cannot let it come back now otherwise the coward will lose face.

thebaz

Qiaonasen wrote: »

The Chinese Communist Party haven't told the truth since 1921. I doubt they are telling the truth now. Xi Jinping declared victory on the virus at the beginning of the year after the Wuhan lockdown. So they cannot let it come back now otherwise the coward will lose face.

Meanwhile the rest of the world (except Sweden ) then believed lockdowns could defeat the virus, as it is some kind of military war/enemy - many people think if we go to level 5 for 6 weeks the virus will be no more in Ireland and we can all then have a normal Christmas.

Captcha

No lockdowns as such any more except when cases are found:

A few cases were detected last week in a city of 9million so they tested everyone in the city and found 12 cases apparently, quarantined them and move on. Took them 5 days to test 9 million.

Wouldn’t this be cheaper than stalling an economy of entire countries?

We should test all of the island of Ireland, enforce quarantine of all infected.

The other thing China does is have mandatory quarantine of people who enter the country for 14 days enforced.

We also need to manage the people entering in ways like this?

China apparently is flying now no lockdowns because of these two very simple things:

Test everyone where there are cases, forced quarantine for infected

Force quarantine for people entering the country or get tested for covid before being allowed to mix with the population

Thierry12

We don't have the balls to cancel a few GAA games played by plumbers and office workers and have a ethnic group that do whatever they wan't

We can't be like China

MadYaker

Yeah lets just test the whole country just like that! How has nobody thought of this before?!?

Captcha

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah lets just test the whole country just like that! How has nobody thought of this before?!?

Less damaging than shutting it all down and less we expensive

yoke

Do you believe the Chinese government's numbers?

Thierry12

yoke wrote: »

Do you believe the Chinese government's numbers?

Why do people keep saying that?

South Korea and many other countries are letting in Chinese tourists and none of them have tested positive for the virus, while they have caught many cases from other countries

China are Covid free, like New Zealand, absolutely, no doubts.

Gradius

China are untrustworthy, unreliable and fairly evil to boot.

Who knows what they're doing over there?

McMurphy

Gradius wrote: »

China are untrustworthy, unreliable and fairly evil to boot.

Who knows what they're doing over there?

Not true.


All in all, they're a great bunch of lads.

Zebra3

I find it hard to believe that China is covid free.

TheValeyard

If the Chinese government said it was raining outside my house, I'd stand outside to confirm it rather than believe them.

Maybe I need to spend some time in a state sponsored re-education camp.

Thierry12

Captcha wrote: »

Less damaging than shutting it all down and less we expensive

Pretty easy to do as well

Set up test centres, as many drive through as possible

Don't show up

We have everyone's PPS number

You won't get children's allowance, be taxed €200 in your payslip/state payment.

Way better do mass testing every 2 weeks than close a ****ing country

How much is a test and all that logisitic's involved that comes with it?

€100?

€100 x 5 million

€500m every 2 weeks, is sure better than €250m a day it's costing now

Yurt2

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why do people keep saying that?

South Korea and many other countries are letting in Chinese tourists and none of them have tested positive for the virus, while they have caught many cases from other countries

China are Covid free, like New Zealand, absolutely, no doubts.

There is extremely limited travel for business purposes from China to countries like Japan / South Korea / Singapore. Tests on either side and enforced quarantine. Tourism is still a no-go for most of East Asia so there have been precisely zero Chinese tourists entering the above countries.

yoke

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why do people keep saying that?

Because people have seen in the past how the Chinese government acted.

If you believe the Chinese government's version of the internet which they feed their own citizens right now, you'll find there was no tiananmen square protest in 1989, there is no tibetan independence movement, and only a couple of people died during Chairman Mao's Great Leap Forward.

yoke

Thierry12 wrote: »

Pretty easy to do as well

You're having a laugh.
More people would catch covid at the test centres while getting there on public transport. You'd be creating a cycle where you have to test everyone every few days to ensure they didn't pick up covid in the queue at the test centre or on the journey there.

There's a reason no country has implemented what you have described, and its not because everyone is really stupid.

Thierry12

yoke wrote: »

You're having a laugh.
More people would catch covid at the test centres while getting there on public transport. You'd be creating a cycle where you have to test everyone every few days to ensure they didn't pick up covid in the queue at the test centre or on the journey there.

There's a reason no country has implemented what you have described, and its not because everyone is stupid.

2.1 million cars are on the road here

Most of the test centres would be drive-thru

It can be done, it's just we can't

titan18

Didn't China weld people into their homes? Imagine the reaction if that happened here

Ekerot

The Onion is probably a more truthful publisher then what comes out of China.

Thierry12

titan18 wrote: »

Didn't China weld people into their homes? Imagine the reaction if that happened here

They didn't

They welded an exit door closed to get people to use main entrance where heat scanners had been installed

Same as the dead bodies on the street

Media twisted it of course, all propaganda

yoke

Thierry12 wrote: »

2.1 million cars are on the road here

Most of the test centres would be drive-thru

It can be done, it's just we can't

- Everyone in ireland has their own car? There's no way the road network could cope with this, and they'd have to set up about 10,000 tents.

- How quickly would these tests be finished?

Keep in mind that you'd need to keep the transmission rate to 0 during the test time. Even a small percentage can reinfect a whole country without lockdown.

Basically it boils down to lockdown and testing... which is what our government (along with most other governments) is trying to do.

The question it leads to is valid - "can our economy actually afford lockdown?" - but there's no easy answer to a complex problem.

My own opinion is that we probably can't afford lockdown, and the govt will probably have to go back to the original plan, which was to merely smooth out the covid rate so hospitals don't get overwhelmed.
They again with the uncertainty regarding reinfection, they're just playing it safe.

Until there's a vaccine i doubt it'll really be over, so we might have to make the hard choice to just leave lockdown anyway, but its not going to be as simple as just ordering everyone to get tested immediately and we can finish lockdown

suicide_circus

KP81

The way they do the mass testing is smart. It’s called batch testing. Basically run 100 samples at a time and only zone in if a positive found. Test 50 then 25 then 12etc, very quick way of IDing the few positives. No reason we couldn’t do this also.

KP81

The way they do the mass testing is smart. It’s called batch testing. Basically run 100 samples at a time and only zone in if a positive found. Test 50 then 25 then 12etc, very quick way of IDing the few positives. No reason we couldn’t do this also.

Beasty

Threads merged

stefanovich

Thierry12 wrote: »

They didn't

They welded an exit door closed to get people to use main entrance where heat scanners had been installed

Same as the dead bodies on the street

Media twisted it of course, all propaganda

The Chinese Communist Party are evil scumbags.

Thierry12

stefanovich wrote: »

The Chinese Communist Party are evil scumbags.

Like our government then

We had 6 cases a day at one point and now look at us

Thickest ***** you could ever get in charge

stefanovich

Thierry12 wrote: »

Like our government then

We had 6 cases a day at one point and now look at us

Thickest ***** you could ever get in charge

Do we stick muslims in concentration camps? Do we murder doctors?

Thierry12

stefanovich wrote: »

Do we stick muslims in concentration camps? Do we murder doctors?

Do you want me to go back through our history?

Catholic church

Mass graves

?

China aint perfect and neither are we

Zebra3

stefanovich wrote: »

Do we stick muslims in concentration camps?

No, but we used to love sticking our single mothers in there.

Amazingly no single fathers went in to them.